2016 Regular Season Thread

[Quake Griffin]

Just saw Jim Bowden say we need to option Yasiel Puig to AA.

[Ranma]

Just saw Jim Bowden say we need to option Yasiel Puig to AA.

In the past, I would probably agree with that take, except I despise Bowden. In any case and regardless of Jimmy the Hair Piece's opinion, I'd rather stick it out with Puig in the lineup. I agree with Neddy that his defensive value alone makes him a valuable contributor and I feel Dave Roberts working with him will help more than sending him to the minors. Like I've said before, Yasiel has to get to a point where he can instinctively react with the smart play ingrained in him rather than overthink things like he's been doing. I appreciate him making the effort to play the right way even when he doesn't.

[Quake Griffin]

The Padre play was inexcusable.

But I want to point out, Adrian Gonzalez hit what he thought was a homer last week, dogged it to 1B, it hit the wall and he was thrown out at 2nd.

[Neddy]

Just saw Jim Bowden say we need to option Yasiel Puig to AA.

why? bacuase he made one base running error which I don't think was an error at all? these media people need to go back to that 9th inning AJ Ellis bunt play and wathc it again. the third base fielded the ball and looked back, he was a lot closer to the third base than Puig at that time. AJ's bunt was too deep and rolled too fast, if Puig ran for the third, good chance he gets tagged out by the bunt fielding third base or get caught in a run down. the whole thing got made worse by AJ's open discontent running to the first base. he also made a couple of fielding errors by misjudging the flyball but they were results of him going all out. Carl Crawford falls on his ass stepping back, misjudging the flight pattern of a routine flyball. Joc yesterday hits the fence and let a double turn into nearly a inside the park home run. I don't see any grief.

the kid is struggling at the plate a bit, but who hit the game winner in that 17 inning gaff where Vinnie Del Roberts wasted our bullpen in a hurry to send in a Tuesday's starter in then later justifices on media that Ross was planned to go down all along to save his arm this season. when you are sending in a kid who is coming back from TJS on 2 days rest after his last start doesn't sound like it fits the shoe.
If the Manager wants his players to play the "right way" he needs to start from himself and learn from Tommy Lasorda how to motivate players while not mismanaging them and not from Donnie Balls to make criticisms through the media.

[Neddy]

The Padre play was inexcusable.

But I want to point out, Adrian Gonzalez hit what he thought was a homer last week, dogged it to 1B, it hit the wall and he was thrown out at 2nd.

I was gonna use this as an example too but since you posted it, I used Carl Crawford instead, but this surely makes a stronger point. when your top position player, most decorated vet doesn't play 100 % all the time, it rubs off through out. Chase on the other hand is a great veteran presence. he gives it all all the time.

[Quake Griffin]

URIAS FRIDAY!!!!!1111

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!11111

hnnnnnnnnngggghhhh

[Quake Griffin]

In for another no hitter being stopped at 7 and 1/3.


Let's do this!

[Ranma]

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Ben Badler, Baseball America (5/26/16)

It’s hard to write about Urias without sounding hyperbolic, but there are few comparables for pitchers who have accomplished what he has at this age. He has the upside of a No. 1 starter and isn’t far from being able to reach that ceiling. Given his stuff and the way he has picked apart Triple-A hitters, Urias should be ready to step in and immediately pitch like a front-end starter.

The biggest caveat to that expectation is that the Dodgers are going to keep a strict eye on his workload. Urias missed time during the 2015 season to have cosmetic eye surgery, which took longer to recover from than the Dodgers expected, so he threw just 80 innings last year. The Dodgers won’t let Urias jump his innings total too much from last year—he’s at 41 innings now—and he has yet to throw more than six innings in a game this season, with 82 pitches on May 14 his season-high.

So expect Urias to have immediate success, even if he won’t be pitching too deep into games. And at some point, whether they shut him down altogether for the year, give him a midseason pause or put him in the bullpen temporarily, the Dodgers will likely do something to curb his overall innings volume for the season. But when he’s on the mound, Urias’ elite combination of stuff and feel for pitching should allow for a smooth transition to immediate major league success.

What to Expect: Julio Urias

[Neddy]

like everyone else, I am excited to see this young man get his start, but this team needs to get better without him. he is 19 and most likely, and if not, should be, on a pitch count and innings limits this year at around 100. 100 per start and 100 innings total. that means we have to be good without him in the post season. but I am looking forward to see him give us the shot in the arm and get us moving through NLW until Ryu and McCarthy are back. .

welcome to the big leagues, rook!

[Quake Griffin]

like everyone else, I am excited to see this young man get his start, but this team needs to get better without him. he is 19 and most likely, and if not, should be, on a pitch count and innings limits this year at around 100. 100 per start and 100 innings total. that means we have to be good without him in the post season. but I am looking forward to see him give us the shot in the arm and get us moving through NLW until Ryu and McCarthy are back. .

welcome to the big leagues, rook!

But what if....just what if....Friedman lets Urias throw ONE game in the playoffs?
Remember this gem from Matt Moore that Friedman lettuce all see?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhS2aWz4rc[/youtube]

I know the scenarios aren't exactly alike and that he didnt let Moore pitch again....but what if he structured his innings that way just for ONE playoff game?
what about out of the bullpen ala Adam Wainwright and CarMart?

[Neddy]

like everyone else, I am excited to see this young man get his start, but this team needs to get better without him. he is 19 and most likely, and if not, should be, on a pitch count and innings limits this year at around 100. 100 per start and 100 innings total. that means we have to be good without him in the post season. but I am looking forward to see him give us the shot in the arm and get us moving through NLW until Ryu and McCarthy are back. .

welcome to the big leagues, rook!

But what if....just what if....Friedman lets Urias throw ONE game in the playoffs?
Remember this gem from Matt Moore that Friedman lettuce all see?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhS2aWz4rc[/youtube]

I know the scenarios aren't exactly alike and that he didnt let Moore pitch again....but what if he structured his innings that way just for ONE playoff game?
what about out of the bullpen ala Adam Wainwright and CarMart?

Urias has already pitched 40 some innings this season. that is already a half of the work load he has ever gotten. if he starts for the dodgers in next 7 starts, and as long as he can go as deep as 5 to 6 innings on current pitch count limit of about 80, he would already max out his limits. I can't imagine shutting him down after that just to get him back for the playoffs. within those 7 starts, I fully expect Ryu and McCarthy to be back, naturally displacing Urias and Wood out of the rotation ( Kershaw-Kazmir-Mareda-Ryu-McCarthy) and putting Alex on the bullpen as our long man and a spot starter to give Maeda his needed 5 day rests, which leaves no room for thie kid.

I really do not wish to push this kid past say, 100 innings this season. we hurried Fernando and we ruined him by his mid 20s. let's not do that again for the sake of a game or two in the playoffs this season.

[Quake Griffin]

Neddy....why only 100? Why not 120-130?




And Friedman speaks
http://dodgers.mlblogs.com/2016/05/26/andrew-friedman-discusses-urias-wood-ryu-bolsinger/?partnerId=as_lad_20160527_62111346&adbid=10154923018693508&adbpl=fb&adbpr=45084588507

Is this a spot start? Or is Urias in the big-leagues to stay?

We’re going to assess where things are after this start and go from there. We haven’t made any long-term determinations at this point. Obviously, we have to be mindful of his workload for the season. On the one hand, you want to make sure he gets the range he wants. On the other hand, you want to balance the “right now” part of the season with potentially September as well, having as many capable arms as we can have then. So we’re just going to get through tomorrow night and continue to assess it.

I think there’s different ways you can do it. You can take a break at some point in the season and ramp back up. You can just max it all out, and obviously (then) he’d be done. Or you can have stings of starter workload and then an extended stint in a controlled way in the bullpen. … My sense is balancing between rotation and bullpen is what’s going to end up being the route we go, but obviously at this point there’s a lot up in the air.

Looks like we might have Urias in September.

[Quake Griffin]

I'd rather AJ catch Urias's 1st game but whatever.

[TKainZero]

Rough inning

Good learning situation

[Ranma]

Urias is missing his pitches either high or not getting enough break on them. The Mets aren't even taking full swings to score runs on him. He's already up to 35 pitches (and counting) in the 1st inning.

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[Quake Griffin]

Was aware of this possibility given his struggle when he 1st got to AAA.

stinks but good for him to learn here.

[Neddy]

we can say this is a good learning experience, but the kid is rattled, and is still just a teen. I would have preferred he started from the bullpen, but whatever.

the more immediate problem, is that with Urias spending 35 pitches and have not gone past 80-ish pitch count, we are gonna burn up the bullpen tonight.

[Ranma]

Despite his struggles, I like that we started him out as a starter. He'd get less leeway as a reliever and, judging by his issues with control tonight, he'd be even less effective out of the bullpen at least to start out. However, I knew beforehand that having Urias in the rotation would require us utilizing our bullpen, which was one of my concerns with bringing him up given our bullpen's inconsistencies.



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[Ranma]

Given that Urias' twitter handle is @theteenager7, I expect him to eventually wear #7 as his jersey number once we call him up permanently and after we eventually cut Alex Guerrero loose. Guerrero currently wears #7.

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[Neddy]

Neddy....why only 100? Why not 120-130?

simple. it's his age and what his work load is supposed to be if he was an American child.

in high school, your ace pitches around 50 innings a season. that's what we asked him to do when he was 16.
the top elite ace of high school seniors and NCAA division I pitchers get about 80 innings a season. that's what we asked him to do when he wsa 17 and 18.

he is 19. he is supposed to be a second year pitcher in college, which makes in ineligible if he went to a 4 year institution. he is still supposed to be at around 80 innings limit. if he didn't go to college but got drafted immeidately out of high school in America, his maximum potential would be passing through the rookie level to now a short season A ball. no pitcher in a low A ball gets more than 80 innings still, it is only when he is in the high A ball, now you are talking about younger prospects like him getting 90 innings or more, and only those who are older, at least around 21, 22 years old and staff aces then gets 130-140 innings of monster workload down there. kids at age 19 don't get more than 90+ innings, therefore for his age correlated workload should not exceed 100.