2017-18 OFF-SEASON

[Quake Griffin]

LOL.

Cueto won’t opt out.


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[CF55]

fair point,
but you are not gonna get a young high ceiling player near MLB by trading Joc alone, and packing him with Grandal still limits which teams would be interested in, as Grandal's arbitration numbers could impact low budget minded teams. young pitching prospects are always at premium, and especially the ones in AA/AAA. if you start dipping into a A ball or Rookie league prospects, it doesn't help us for the 2018 season's run at the ring.

where do you see a possibility of a pitching in return for any deal packaged around Joc? I have a hard time seeing that one. there will be teams who want to take a gamble at this power bat from the left side, but at this point most scouts around MLB knows Joc is a corner outfielder. he is still very young, and as I have mentioned, a very good OBP guy. but nobody is gonna give up a decent pitching prospects or major league level quality arms.
it is just much easier to ask for aging vets and their ballooned salaries from small market teams, thus what we lose isn't much and their contracts rather short, and the small market teams save some face by bringing youthful players and a player of position in need at catching who led the entire MLB in catcher's ERA and known as one of the top framers today.
we are not losing much as it seems unanimous that Austin has Yaz beat, and Joc is probably gonna be relegated to being a lefty platoon player and a pinch hitter once our roster is full.

McCutchen idea is just an example, but a similar type of exchanging our spare parts for high salary vet from a small market team is most likely.

can we dream of Grandal+Joc for Stanton? lol they sure are selling!

I wouldn't touch Stantons contract at all. It literally might be the worst contract in baseball an AL team should pick him up and pray by the second half of the contract the bat still plays enough for him to DH. Keep in mind Stanton likely just had his best season offensivley there is no going upwards for him its going to start going down hill.

Some teams like the Brewers could conceivably give up an arm for Grandal. They just had Hader and Woodruff debut last season and have Ortiz on the way. I could see the Brewers parting with someone like Burns in a package for Grandal who is a C who provides pop and on base skills. As for Joc I'm sure an AL team would consider moving a P who hasn't lived up to expectations for Joc in a change of scenery trade.

If I'm the Dodgers I'm spending on pitchers. We have big bats we can fill in the holes on offense on way or another no reason to spend big on a bat. We turned Turner into a star, Taylor is looking like a star, Toles produced for us in 16. We seem to pull production out of no where on offense but our pitching on the other hand has let us down in the playoffs on way or another for 6 years. Kersh in some cases, Greinke, Every reliever even Jansen this past season cause of over use. We had McCarthy and Fields sitting in the pen being useless. Next year I wanna see a team with 4 starters we can count on and a bullpen deep enough that everyone isn't dead by the middle of the WS.

Stanton's deal may look atrocity of a mismanagement of Jeffry the Scum Loria, but by the end of that deal, with the rate of baseball salary inflation, it would look more like what we just paid Andre Ethier this season. and he has yet to turn 28 ( will in 3 days ). his prime and peak is right now, and probably the next 3 years or so until he starts regressing. it would be worth the risk for Stanton not opting out in 2020. Im betting he will tho, unless some major disaster happens from now til then, power hitters don't suddenly stop hitting homeruns when they turn 31 unless your name is Ryan Howard.

asking for Stanton is obviously a pie in the sky, as Marlins are not going to want Grandal's arbitration dollars on their payroll. but to not want to add one of the best talents in all baseball at all, would not benefit the team. besides, it's Guggenheim that is paying the bill, not any of us. tickets and parking prices will always go up regardless of the players' salary anyhow.


as for the "change of scenary" type of veteran bullpen arms, guys that fit that description are Carlos Torres, Oliver Drake, and Wily Peralta. I don't think any of this trio is salvageable.

if we can run off with say, Josh Hader, I would be 100% behind it but doubt that one too. but the Brewers have Pina and Vogt behind the plate hitting at least league average, not sure if the Brewers need Grandal's bat all that much. but I could see a scenario where they trade for Grandal while dumping their own arbitration eligible Vogt. Pina is the starter and is making the league minimum. I suppose they can split time, but Manny hit .279 with .751 OPS. not sure if they would want to spend money they don't need to spend on for 0.010 points improvement on OPS at catching position.

Grandal for probably one of the idiot trio I mentioned before and Vogt returning is likely scenario from this particular mental exercise. if Yaz's defensive values are the selling point, as he is the 5th best among catchers with at least 200 at bats in 2017, you have to consider that Manny Pina was the 6th best.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=200&type=1&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

I don't see this one.

Vogt isn't very good and could easily be let go. Grandal would provide them with more power and overall offensive skill set then Pina and is still a top tier pitch framer which would help MIL pitching staff.

As for Joc I could see us selling him to a team like the Redsox for Tzu-Wei Lin since we need MIF depth and he fits the profile of playing all over the field he can play 2B SS 3B CF and a failed P spec like Henry Owens. Redsox want a power hitter and Joc could provide power on the cheap for them. There are other trades but Joc to an AL team makes the most sense for both parties.

Of course all this speculation is pointless for all we know the team might stand pat and chill until the deadline but with rumors of the team wanting to get under the Lux Tax line I'm not sure we see a big off season.

One out of the box trade to improve the rotation I could see is Michael Fulmer on the Tigers. Rumors around the deadline was the tigers love Alex Verdugo and I could see a Verdugo, Alvarez, Ruiz, others haul for Fulmer assuming the Tigers aren't opposed to trading him. Fulmer would give us a number 2 behind Kershaw and is cheap and helps the team stay under the Lux tax.

[Neddy]

I doubt they will make their 24 year old staff ace available. he is basically their Urias, if Urias had a couple of full major league seasons under his belt. wish we had pulled the trigger on Justin Wilson for this year's WS. he would have been the link between Morrow to Jansen and we would have won it all in game 6 had he pitched in stead of Morrow in that one fateful inning.

[CF55]

I doubt they will make their 24 year old staff ace available. he is basically their Urias, if Urias had a couple of full major league seasons under his belt. wish we had pulled the trigger on Justin Wilson for this year's WS. he would have been the link between Morrow to Jansen and we would have won it all in game 6 had he pitched in stead of Morrow in that one fateful inning.

They almost dealt him to braves at deadline according to rumors

As for Wilson he sucks cubs left him off their playoff roster cause he lost it in chicago. I'm glad we got Watson and Cingrani cheap instead of giving up a solid package for Wilson

[Neddy]

I doubt they will make their 24 year old staff ace available. he is basically their Urias, if Urias had a couple of full major league seasons under his belt. wish we had pulled the trigger on Justin Wilson for this year's WS. he would have been the link between Morrow to Jansen and we would have won it all in game 6 had he pitched in stead of Morrow in that one fateful inning.

They almost dealt him to braves at deadline according to rumors

As for Wilson he sucks cubs left him off their playoff roster cause he lost it in chicago. I'm glad we got Watson and Cingrani cheap instead of giving up a solid package for Wilson

the trade was a shock Im sure, but our locker room could have made it easier on Justin Wilson, as we did for Yu Darvish.

but if Fullmer is available, then it's a good news. the price however, is the question then.

I am willing to give Alvarez and a couple of low A ball prospects. maybe Jose Chacin and Andrew Sopko?

[Neddy]

Jose Bautista just became a free agent, since Odor's knock out punch to his face, he has become a complete utter embodiment of regression.

on the other hand, Oh is a free agent. I don't think he is as good as his 2016 season, but I don't think he is as bad as 2017 season. worth a look to sign him as Morrow's replacement if we can't keep Brandon. even with Brandon, worth a 1 + 1 team option type of a contract to see if he can take care of the 7th if Brandon is the 8th inning guy.

[Neddy]

the Lux Tax for 2018 is 197 mil.

the blood sucking dead money we can't do anything about, Kemp, Tabata, and Oliveras deferred money as well as Erisbel, Yasiel Sierra, and DIon Tuscano. that is about 20 million.

then there are guys on roster who aren't worth their deal

Gonzo - 22.3
Kazmir - 17.7
Brandon McCarthy is still salvageable, but could make an argument against him and is at 11.5

other than McCarthy, I don't think the first two are tradable by themselves.

we have a ton of guys looking to get some raise through arbitration, and Grandal is projected to make 7.7 million according to the MLBtraderumors.com.

we declined, as expected, Andre's team option. buyout was 2.5 million so we saved about 15 million for the payroll.

despite it all tho, it will hit 184.5 million before any of the both non-arbitration and arbitration eligible players are accounted for. it is impossible to get under that Lux Tax number without significantly damage our chances at winning next season.

we are not going to sell prospects just to get Gonzo and Kazmir's money off the table, I don't know if we can go under the Lux Tax come 2018. it will have to be 2019. we are too close to the championship not to spend more money to make a run next year.

Wonder if Guggenheim is going to sell a portion of the dodgers to make the losses more palatable. I would take out a loan if I could to buy a piece of the dodgers.

[Quake Griffin]

Option on Ethier officially declined.

He gave Blue everything he had. I’ll never forget how clutch he was in 2009.

He should enjoy retirement but something tells me he thinks he can hang even in a pinch hitter type role.


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[CF55]

the Lux Tax for 2018 is 197 mil.

the blood sucking dead money we can't do anything about, Kemp, Tabata, and Oliveras deferred money as well as Erisbel, Yasiel Sierra, and DIon Tuscano. that is about 20 million.

then there are guys on roster who aren't worth their deal

Gonzo - 22.3
Kazmir - 17.7
Brandon McCarthy is still salvageable, but could make an argument against him and is at 11.5

other than McCarthy, I don't think the first two are tradable by themselves.

we have a ton of guys looking to get some raise through arbitration, and Grandal is projected to make 7.7 million according to the MLBtraderumors.com.

we declined, as expected, Andre's team option. buyout was 2.5 million so we saved about 15 million for the payroll.

despite it all tho, it will hit 184.5 million before any of the both non-arbitration and arbitration eligible players are accounted for. it is impossible to get under that Lux Tax number without significantly damage our chances at winning next season.

we are not going to sell prospects just to get Gonzo and Kazmir's money off the table, I don't know if we can go under the Lux Tax come 2018. it will have to be 2019. we are too close to the championship not to spend more money to make a run next year.

Wonder if Guggenheim is going to sell a portion of the dodgers to make the losses more palatable. I would take out a loan if I could to buy a piece of the dodgers.

Its not about the money that the team wants to get under the lux tax its because of the harsher penalties to teams over the lux tax. Most notably tax teams get **** over during the draft. And the team likely wants to be under in 17 and/or 18 so they can go over it in the 2019 FA class since the penalty gets harsher for consecutive years over.

[Neddy]

Option on Ethier officially declined.

He gave Blue everything he had. I’ll never forget how clutch he was in 2009.

He should enjoy retirement but something tells me he thinks he can hang even in a pinch hitter type role.


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he will go home to Arizona to play for the dirtbags.

still tho, he will always be remembered as a dodger.

[Neddy]

the Lux Tax for 2018 is 197 mil.

the blood sucking dead money we can't do anything about, Kemp, Tabata, and Oliveras deferred money as well as Erisbel, Yasiel Sierra, and DIon Tuscano. that is about 20 million.

then there are guys on roster who aren't worth their deal

Gonzo - 22.3
Kazmir - 17.7
Brandon McCarthy is still salvageable, but could make an argument against him and is at 11.5

other than McCarthy, I don't think the first two are tradable by themselves.

we have a ton of guys looking to get some raise through arbitration, and Grandal is projected to make 7.7 million according to the MLBtraderumors.com.

we declined, as expected, Andre's team option. buyout was 2.5 million so we saved about 15 million for the payroll.

despite it all tho, it will hit 184.5 million before any of the both non-arbitration and arbitration eligible players are accounted for. it is impossible to get under that Lux Tax number without significantly damage our chances at winning next season.

we are not going to sell prospects just to get Gonzo and Kazmir's money off the table, I don't know if we can go under the Lux Tax come 2018. it will have to be 2019. we are too close to the championship not to spend more money to make a run next year.

Wonder if Guggenheim is going to sell a portion of the dodgers to make the losses more palatable. I would take out a loan if I could to buy a piece of the dodgers.

Its not about the money that the team wants to get under the lux tax its because of the harsher penalties to teams over the lux tax. Most notably tax teams get **** over during the draft. And the team likely wants to be under in 17 and/or 18 so they can go over it in the 2019 FA class since the penalty gets harsher for consecutive years over.

of course I understand that, I think everyone here understands that, I am simply pointing out that it is fiscally impossible to get under unless you gut this team. we are too close to the WS ring. Guggenheim will have to eat it.

[CF55]

the Lux Tax for 2018 is 197 mil.

the blood sucking dead money we can't do anything about, Kemp, Tabata, and Oliveras deferred money as well as Erisbel, Yasiel Sierra, and DIon Tuscano. that is about 20 million.

then there are guys on roster who aren't worth their deal

Gonzo - 22.3
Kazmir - 17.7
Brandon McCarthy is still salvageable, but could make an argument against him and is at 11.5

other than McCarthy, I don't think the first two are tradable by themselves.

we have a ton of guys looking to get some raise through arbitration, and Grandal is projected to make 7.7 million according to the MLBtraderumors.com.

we declined, as expected, Andre's team option. buyout was 2.5 million so we saved about 15 million for the payroll.

despite it all tho, it will hit 184.5 million before any of the both non-arbitration and arbitration eligible players are accounted for. it is impossible to get under that Lux Tax number without significantly damage our chances at winning next season.

we are not going to sell prospects just to get Gonzo and Kazmir's money off the table, I don't know if we can go under the Lux Tax come 2018. it will have to be 2019. we are too close to the championship not to spend more money to make a run next year.

Wonder if Guggenheim is going to sell a portion of the dodgers to make the losses more palatable. I would take out a loan if I could to buy a piece of the dodgers.

Its not about the money that the team wants to get under the lux tax its because of the harsher penalties to teams over the lux tax. Most notably tax teams get **** over during the draft. And the team likely wants to be under in 17 and/or 18 so they can go over it in the 2019 FA class since the penalty gets harsher for consecutive years over.

of course I understand that, I think everyone here understands that, I am simply pointing out that it is fiscally impossible to get under unless you gut this team. we are too close to the WS ring. Guggenheim will have to eat it.

Actually some of the key talent is still under TC, Bellinger, Seager, Taylor, Barnes. That's why trading guys like Joc, Yasmani, Forsythe might make some sense, as a team we have organaztional depth to take the hit from losing a Forsythe or a Yasmani. And P wise I could see them dumping Kazmir and McCarthy. Well they dont have great value they could easily cover half of Kazmir deal he conceivably get 1 yr 8 M on the open market. McCarthy could be a solid deal if he we eat his contract down to 6 M. Well we wouldn't get much for either if the goal is to get under the Lux tax those are options.

Kershaw
Hill
Wood
Ryu
Maeda (Moved back to BP in playoffs)
Buehler
Stewart
Oaks

We still have the P depth to eat half of Kazmir and McCarthys contracts and not have it hurt us in the short term.

On the offensive side I could see the team trying to get Adrian Gonzalez to accept a buyout or have him retire and pay him like Mets did with Bonilla just not over 35 years or what ever the Bonilla deal was. Adrian wont want to be back knowing he's going to be on the bench.

Because the current core is so young and we have vets that are clearly not needed we could easily clear up enough cap to get under and still make a major signing or trade if need be. So I don't see us having to "blow up the team" to get under. Our front office is very smart and creative I expect a lot of movement with the vets at the bottom end of the roster.

[Neddy]

Its not about the money that the team wants to get under the lux tax its because of the harsher penalties to teams over the lux tax. Most notably tax teams get **** over during the draft. And the team likely wants to be under in 17 and/or 18 so they can go over it in the 2019 FA class since the penalty gets harsher for consecutive years over.

of course I understand that, I think everyone here understands that, I am simply pointing out that it is fiscally impossible to get under unless you gut this team. we are too close to the WS ring. Guggenheim will have to eat it.

Actually some of the key talent is still under TC, Bellinger, Seager, Taylor, Barnes. That's why trading guys like Joc, Yasmani, Forsythe might make some sense, as a team we have organaztional depth to take the hit from losing a Forsythe or a Yasmani. And P wise I could see them dumping Kazmir and McCarthy. Well they dont have great value they could easily cover half of Kazmir deal he conceivably get 1 yr 8 M on the open market. McCarthy could be a solid deal if he we eat his contract down to 6 M. Well we wouldn't get much for either if the goal is to get under the Lux tax those are options.

Kershaw
Hill
Wood
Ryu
Maeda (Moved back to BP in playoffs)
Buehler
Stewart
Oaks

We still have the P depth to eat half of Kazmir and McCarthys contracts and not have it hurt us in the short term.

On the offensive side I could see the team trying to get Adrian Gonzalez to accept a buyout or have him retire and pay him like Mets did with Bonilla just not over 35 years or what ever the Bonilla deal was. Adrian wont want to be back knowing he's going to be on the bench.

Because the current core is so young and we have vets that are clearly not needed we could easily clear up enough cap to get under and still make a major signing or trade if need be. So I don't see us having to "blow up the team" to get under. Our front office is very smart and creative I expect a lot of movement with the vets at the bottom end of the roster.

trading Grandal and declining the option on Forsythe won't make a dent on our payroll. and Kazmir is untradeable. McCarty is, but also Gonzo can't be traded unless we eat more than half of salary and eating salary means it still counts against us. we can't get under. there are like 20 players who's contract were not counted when I said the figure is already near 190 million.

[Quake Griffin]

What if we...

Ya know...

Trade Kershaw?

Just a thought.
Don’t think anyone has broached this topic before in this thread.


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[CF55]

What if we...

Ya know...

Trade Kershaw?

Just a thought.
Don’t think anyone has broached this topic before in this thread.


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If we could get a haul of ML and near ML talent I would he open to it. But no one will give us a good enough package to entice the team into moving him. Reguardless of his post season chokes, Kershaw is a beloved member to the casual Dodger fan and if we traded him they would be quite angry. And for that reason even if they got a package for him that makes sense which I doubt the decrease in ticket sales would make a Kershaw trade nearly impossible.

[Quake Griffin]

I dont believe that.

I believe if he is REALLY available, folks will cough up the goods. One full year of Peyton Kershaw is worth a haul.

I think even now the casuals are tired of his choking. Fool me 4 times, shame on you. Fool me 5 times....

Fool me...cant be fooled again.
*Bush Voice*


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[Neddy]

What if we...

Ya know...

Trade Kershaw?

Just a thought.
Don’t think anyone has broached this topic before in this thread.


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it all depends what we get back in return.

but since the end of game 7, I have expressed my willingness on this.

Kershaw to the Rangers. dump off Gonzo and Kazmir in the process and get back Alex Claudio, Leody Tavarez, and a pair of their top 30 prospects?

Rangers will still be under the Lux Tax if we eat some of the salary but surely not most of it or even close to a half of Gonzo and Kazmir. getting a single bull pen piece, their top prospect and a pair of top 30 picks seem like a bargain to gain Texas born HOFer like Kershaw.

we get out of Lux tax, move on from Kershaw era. 72 million dollars less can go a long way to bolster the team in near future.

our rotation, without another deal, would be

Hill
Wood
Ryu
Urias
Buehler
McCarthy

looking at that...
well that's not gonna cut it next year.

we can't trade Kershaw unless we get back an ace in return if we want to win in 2018.

come to think of it, it makes no baseball sense. Guggenheim will just have to cough up the Lux Tax.

[Quake Griffin]

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THEY ARE OPEN TO IT!


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[Neddy]

THE FANS ARE LISTENING!

THEY ARE OPEN TO IT!


FRIEDMAN I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS FORUM!
I know you aren’t but one can hope.


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how was the office? Im about to get going to do some chart notes.

your dad still practicing too?

[Quake Griffin]

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THEY ARE OPEN TO IT!


FRIEDMAN I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS FORUM!
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how was the office? Im about to get going to do some chart notes.

your dad still practicing too?

Oh it’s a mess. Organization isnt my strong suit but I am making it my priority. I will get there.

Yeah, Pops is still going.


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