2016 Regular Season Thread

Quake Griffin · Post #1501 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:11 am

Positive from these first 2 losses.

Puig's work at AAA seems to be paying off.
Hopefully he keeps it up.

Neddy · Post #1502 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:56 am

Ranma wrote:In addition to acclimating himself to 4 days of rest as a starter in the rotation, Kenta needs to overcome that mental hurdle of struggling the 3rd time through the order. As soon as he faced the Pirates in the 6th inning, he became tentative by walking the leadoff batter before giving up McCutchen's 2nd HR of the game. His fears basically produced the self-fulfilling struggles.

the cubs are going 6 man rotation and I truly believe we should too once our rehabbing guys are back. it is not just gonna be for Maeda's health and performance but Ryu and McCarthy can also use an extra day of rest, as well as for Anderson ever makes it back before the season. if we were to run 6 men rotation, we might even be able to stretch Urias out for a few more starts along the way.

and I don't think it is as much as of his mental issues that is allowing him to get destroyed the third time around but the usage of his pitches that gets him in trouble. I guess I am just repeating what everyone else already knows, but he needs to stop throwing so much of his sliders the first time around. he needs to command his fastball and use it more often early, so he can rely back on his slider later. he overuses his slider in the first 3 innings and the opposing batters get acclimated to the speed and breaking angle. I wish he would use his fastball/changeup combo with curve as his out pitch the first time around and reserve only one of his sliders until the second time around, then open up all of his arsenals the third time around. realistically, at least hold on to his best sldier until the second time around.

Ranma · Post #1503 » by **Ranma** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:49 am

Neddy wrote:the cubs are going 6 man rotation and I truly believe we should too once our rehabbing guys are back. it is not just gonna be for Maeda's health and performance but Ryu and McCarthy can also use an extra day of rest, as well as for Anderson ever makes it back before the season. if we were to run 6 men rotation, we might even be able to stretch Urias out for a few more starts along the way.

I'm all for altering the rotation to give more rest to Maeda this season even though I think he needs to adjust to an MLB rotation schedule as soon as possible. I wasn't before but circumstances have changed and dictate a need for alteration this season. The reason why I'm open to this is because it will allow for guys returning from the DL like Ryu, McCarthy, and Wood to ease themselves back into things. Plus, like you said, it would extend Urias' availability longer. It would also allow us to take advantage of our anticipated surplus of starting pitching if everything works out.

The only caveat is that, rather than a set 6-man rotation, I would go with a hybrid of mix-and-match similar to what Roberts has done this season when we encountered injuries with our pitching staff. I don't want to interrupt Clayton Kershaw's routine too much while also getting the most starts out of him as possible. He seems to be fine and not worse for wear so I'm not worried about his health at this point (knock on wood).

Neddy · Post #1504 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:23 am

Ranma wrote:
Neddy wrote:the cubs are going 6 man rotation and I truly believe we should too once our rehabbing guys are back. it is not just gonna be for Maeda's health and performance but Ryu and McCarthy can also use an extra day of rest, as well as for Anderson ever makes it back before the season. if we were to run 6 men rotation, we might even be able to stretch Urias out for a few more starts along the way.

I'm all for altering the rotation to give more rest to Maeda this season even though I think he needs to adjust to an MLB rotation schedule as soon as possible. I wasn't before but circumstances have changed and dictate a need for alteration this season. The reason why I'm open to this is because it will allow for guys returning from the DL like Ryu, McCarthy, and Wood to ease themselves back into things. Plus, like you said, it would extend Urias' availability longer. It would also allow us to take advantage of our anticipated surplus of starting pitching if everything works out.

The only caveat is that rather than a set 6-man rotation, I would go with a hybrid of mix-and-match similar to what Roberts has done this season when we encountered injuries with our pitching staff. I don't want to interrupt Clayton Kershaw's routine too much while also getting the most starts out of him as possible. He seems to be fine and not worse for wear so I'm not worried about his health at this point (knock on wood).

hybrid is a good idea, and when I thought about this before, it can also create even more extra days of rest for those who need it at times. we can even run a tradional 5 men rotation with one extra starter who gets involved when any of the starters is in need of a breather, or run 4 men rigid rotation with 2 extra men subbing in and out freely in between the other 4 guys with at least one per cycle, as needed.

more importantly, we need a completely flexible and capable bench to run a 4 men crew to run a 6 men rotation consistently and I don't think we are quite there yet, but we are close.

Quake Griffin · Post #1505 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:49 pm

Ranma wrote:The only caveat is that, rather than a set 6-man rotation, I would go with a hybrid of mix-and-match similar to what Roberts has done this season when we encountered injuries with our pitching staff. I don't want to interrupt Clayton Kershaw's routine too much while also getting the most starts out of him as possible. He seems to be fine and not worse for wear so I'm not worried about his health at this point (knock on wood).[/color]

Exactly.
Arrieta needs this. Kershaw doesnt. Arrieta didn't handle all those innings well last year at all.

Whatever we do. Do it with some conviction and have our 6 men that we trust to do it...not Jimmy Spot Starter on a random day before Maeda pitches that throws batting practice abd sets the wrong tone for a game/series

Quake Griffin · Post #1506 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:46 pm

If the rumors are true and this front office trades for Jay Bruce, it will be the first time in Friedman's tenure that I am absolutely positively 100% disappointed in a move he makes.

I do not see the benefit in this move at all and there is no bright side to look at in making this deal.

Adam Eaton is a great player/hitter and killing it for a struggling White Sox and you're focused on a has been like Jay Bruce.

Btw....Toronto was in on Bruce this offseason.
AA wasn't there but I wonder if he abd his group in Toronto had discussions anout him internally.

Neddy · Post #1507 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:06 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:If the rumors are true and this front office trades for Jay Bruce, it will be the first time in Friedman's tenure that I am absolutely positively 100% disappointed in a move he makes.

I do not see the benefit in this move at all and there is no bright side to look at in making this deal.

Adam Eaton is a great player/hitter and killing it for a struggling White Sox and you're focused on a has been like Jay Bruce.

Btw....Toronto was in on Bruce this offseason.
AA wasn't there but I wonder if he abd his group in Toronto had discussions anout him internally.

only thing I like about Jay Bruce is his contract. it is over next season and from this season's prorated salary to next year's full, he is only owed about what Ethier would make next season alone. other than that, he is another lefty corner OF with inconsistencies through out his career. he is what, 29 already? not exactly a long term plan guy. I suppose he is just a rental for this season and if we don't buy him out, the next. hope the price is nothing more than say, Pablo Fernandez and Arruebarrena.
but at least somebody who can step in the middle of the lineup and replace Kendrick/**** out of LF, I suppose. he and SVS would make somewhat of a platoon buddy too when Jay starts to suck again.

Ranma · Post #1508 » by **Ranma** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:01 pm

I'm okay with acquiring Jay Bruce. He's having a rebound season and Spotrac lists that we'd have a $1-million buyout of his contract for next season, otherwise, it's $13 million in salary for 2017. He's younger, cheaper, and better than Ethier while being available.

He bats better at home than away at Great American Ballpark but that will probably change at Dodger Stadium. I'm concerned with him taking away playing time from Trayce Thompson and possibly even Yasiel Puig. As it is, we seem to have a glut of outfielders with Joc Pederson, Scott Van Slyke, Howie Kendrick, and/or **** Hernandez in the fold. Of course, Bruce would provide a better left-handed hitting option than Will Venable did.

It would depend on what we'd give up to get him. If it's Micah Johnson or Chris Anderson and filler, then I'd be down for that. Anything more and I'd probably be against it.

Neddy · Post #1509 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:11 pm

Ranma wrote:I'm okay with acquiring Jay Bruce. He's having a rebound season and Spotrac lists that we'd have a $1-million buyout of his contract for next season, otherwise, it's $13 million in salary for 2017. He's younger, cheaper, and better than Ethier while being available.

He bats better at home than away at Great American Ballpark but that will probably change at Dodger Stadium. I'm concerned with him taking away playing time from Trayce Thompson and possibly even Yasiel Puig. As it is, we seem to have a glut of outfielders with Joc Pederson, Scott Van Slyke, Howie Kendrick, and/or **** Hernandez in the fold.

It would depend on what we'd give up to get him. If it's Micah Johnson or Chris Anderson and filler, then I'd be down for that. Anything more and I'd be probably be against it.

I suppose we should also look into platooning the first base at this point. SVS hits against lefties better through out his career than Gonzo with his, and as of late Gonzo's overall production has dipped down so much that I don't think we can just let him go out everyday because what he has done in the past. I would also love to have Gonzo on the bench against lefty starters so by the end of the game when their closer or setup guys(which are predominantly right handed) are up with runners on base, we can use him in situations where the opposing managers can just bring in a spot relieving lefty to get him out anymore. and if they do, they would be removing their closers and set up guys to do so.

it's not related to Jay Bruce per se, but this team needs a bit of a shake up and get every help we can get, with what we've got.

Ranma · Post #1510 » by **Ranma** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:25 pm

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Quake Griffin · Post #1511 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:57 pm

Nothnx. Juice isnt worth the squeeze. A player like Adam Eaton is worth it. A net zero player like Bruce who hits in another video game stadium is not worth it even if the outlay is minimal. Why waste the time or resources for such a minimal impact? There's a number of players who can be had that wont break our farm and can help. We choose to take on Bruce. If we do it, I'll be disappointed. Use that minimal outlay elsewhere.

Nothnx.

A-Gon not in today's lineup.
Good.

Neddy · Post #1512 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:44 pm

didn't he used to play some 1B a few years back? I wonder if they want to put him on first and planning on sending Gonzo to DL to rest his neck. hell even I will need a surgery down the road with my arthritis in my neck. probably not, but it's possible. Jay Bruce does have the size for the position, afterall.

Neddy · Post #1513 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:51 pm

damn these kids in Phillies uni are doing a great job keeping up with the Gnats today. they chased off Johnny Cueto while ago, and every time they fall behind, they come right back to tie the game. top of the 8th, 7-7 now and runner on 2nd with one out with that sacrifice bunt. we might gain a full game on them tonight.

Quake Griffin · Post #1514 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:00 pm

He's played there 3 games his entire career.

Ranma · Post #1515 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:21 am

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Ranma · Post #1516 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:14 am

Quake Griffin · Post #1517 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:16 am

All hail getting Maeda an extra day to the detriment of our team!!!!!!111

Bend over backwards.
Jump through hoops for pitchers not named Kershaw.

Ranma · Post #1518 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:10 am

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Quake Griffin · Post #1519 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:19 am

Great.
More batting practice.

It's incredibly frustrating to watch us hit the baseball hard and see it go right into gloves.
I almost can't take it tbh.
The whole 2nd half, our baseballs should be finding holes and gaps to balance this out because this is pure nonsense.

Quake Griffin · Post #1520 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:55 am

Annoying to drop 3 in a row after winning 6 in a row but the Pirates are always a team that scares me. They kick our ass all the time.

We sure could use a bat in the line up.
Do I need to say Adam E...
Nevermind. I won't finish it.

Sorry, fat, no defense Jay Bruce should do the job. Ryu and McCarthy coming back should help this lineup hit as well.