2016-2017 off season thread.

Ranma · Post #161 » by **Ranma** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:36 pm

Ranma · Post #162 » by **Ranma** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:46 pm

Ranma · Post #163 » by **Ranma** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:01 pm

Jonathan Mayo, MLB.com (11/16/16)

Here's a list of all 30 teams' Top 30 prospects who needed to be protected to avoid being exposed to the Rule 5 Draft.
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Los Angeles Dodgers (4)
17. Chase De Jong, RHP
19. Jacob Rhame, RHP
20. Jacob Scavuzzo, OF
24. Kyle Farmer, C

Top Prospects Who Face 40-Man/Rule 5 Decision

Ranma · Post #164 » by **Ranma** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:13 pm

Rian Watt, FiveThirtyEight.com (11/16/16)

The Dodgers — and Three Other Playoff Teams — Have a Lot to Lose in Free Agency

Ranma · Post #165 » by **Ranma** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:40 am

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Neddy · Post #166 » by **Neddy** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:02 am

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LOL he has us on his no trade list? what's his problem, doesn't like immigrants? Hollywood celebs? hates beaches? **** him then. F Ian for life. you don't want to be a dodger? you are a **** **** in my book.

Neddy · Post #167 » by **Neddy** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:06 am

actually came on to say that If Detroit insists on Bellinger as the price for Ian, it isn't worth it to begin with. even as a 5 fWAR player Ian Kinsler is, he is only a rental for two seasons. no way we give up the next ROY candidate who can give you a decade of excellence for a rental no matter how good thoese 2 years maybe.

Ranma · Post #168 » by **Ranma** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:08 am

Neddy wrote:LOL he has us on his no trade list? what's his problem, doesn't like immigrants? Hollywood celebs? hates beaches? **** him then. F Ian for life. you don't want to be a dodger? you are a **** **** in my book.

While it's possible that he doesn't like us for some reason, I think he and his agent anticipated that we would need a 2B and added us to the list for leverage in negotiations. I'm not a fan of the idea of giving up Bellinger in any scenario and I'm not inclined to add more years to his contract. I'd rather have Brandon Phillips at a cheaper cost, anyway. I hope it backfires on him and he's dealt to a bad team in a bad-weather market not on his no-trade list.

Ranma · Post #169 » by **Ranma** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:13 am

Neddy wrote:actually came on to say that If Detroit insists on Bellinger as the price for Ian, it isn't worth it to begin with. even as a 5 fWAR player Ian Kinsler is, he is only a rental for two seasons. no way we give up the next ROY candidate who can give you a decade of excellence for a rental no matter how good thoese 2 years maybe.

It'd be like signing Orlando Hudson to a 1-year deal only to forfeit the 2009 draft pick that could have gotten us either Mike Trout or A.J. Pollock, or trading Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields. No more short-term panic moves at the expense of long-term loss!

Neddy · Post #170 » by **Neddy** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:21 am

Ranma wrote:
Neddy wrote:actually came on to say that If Detroit insists on Bellinger as the price for Ian, it isn't worth it to begin with. even as a 5 fWAR player Ian Kinsler is, he is only a rental for two seasons. no way we give up the next ROY candidate who can give you a decade of excellence for a rental no matter how good thoese 2 years maybe.

It'd be like signing Orlando Hudson to a 1-year deal only to forfeit the 2009 draft pick that could have gotten us either Mike Trout or A.J. Pollock, or trading Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields. No more short-term panic moves at the expense of long-term loss!

I know I am going to be a lone voice in this, but we all agree the price for Ian may be unreasonable, and a fewer might agree Brandon Phillips, unless given practically for free, is no longer a player he once was and a below average defender with rapidly shrinking offense.

I want to see how bad really Willie is with his glove. I want to see his bat tested in the majors now. we had second basemen in the past with very questionable gloves and strong bats to overcome it. maybe Willie is closer to Jeff Kent than he is to Steve Sax. and if we lived with Sax and his throw to the stands from second base on double play balls, he can live with just about anything on second base.

Neddy · Post #171 » by **Neddy** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:18 pm

now with the roster expanding to 26 men in 2017, it is time to consider going 6 men rotation.

Kershaw - Maeda - Urias - De Leon - Kazmir- McCarthy seems like a good way to go. gives some protection to Maeda/Kazmir/McCarthy for injury conscerns and save Urias' innings. even with Kershaw now with his back problem, I think this is no brainer. also keeps us having too many starters coming back from injury without an opening. Ryu would be the only one. I have a hunch that Kazmir's injury is much more serious than we are led to believe, and a good chance one of Kazmir/Ryu may not ever pitch again.

Quake Griffin · Post #172 » by **Quake Griffin** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:02 pm

The reason I would hesitate to deal Willie is because he can hit and theres a possibility he lacks range because he is fat. You never know what a good diet and a good workout program can do for someone and that is right up Gabe Kapler's alley.

Slim Matt Carpenter (one of my favorite players, sorry Kershaw) was a frumpy fat back in college until he changed his diet.

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Hey think the Cardinals would deal him????

Neddy wrote:now with the roster expanding to 26 men in 2017, it is time to consider going 6 men rotation.

Kershaw - Maeda - Urias - De Leon - Kazmir- McCarthy seems like a good way to go. gives some protection to Maeda/Kazmir/McCarthy for injury conscerns and save Urias' innings. even with Kershaw now with his back problem, I think this is no brainer. also keeps us having too many starters coming back from injury without an opening. Ryu would be the only one. I have a hunch that Kazmir's injury is much more serious than we are led to believe, and a good chance one of Kazmir/Ryu may not ever pitch again.

This is what I'm hoping for. You have Strip, Wood, and Stewart waiting in the wings in case people go down. Cuts down on innings and makes it easy to skip Urias or Delly. I dont want to see much going out because this group with another good bullpen can win this division...plus if we make it to October again, Urias should be seasoned/ ready instead of just wet behind the ears with our fanbase crossing their fingers hoping for a miracle.

Quake Griffin · Post #173 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:06 pm

http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-season-ticket-and-parking-prices-go-up-for-2017/2016/11/18/

I'll enjoy my Dodgers just like I have for the last 4 years - from my apartment somewhere in the midwest.

Damn shame.

Neddy · Post #174 » by **Neddy** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:11 pm

Saturday Morning brain scatter chatter.

Darin Ruf I think now has the best chance to be a primary pinch hitter against LHP off the bench. his career split against left handed pitching is in mostrous +.900 OPS.

Trevor Plouffe doesn't look like he is going to get picked up on the wavers. he may be the next Justin Turner-like candidate, a cheap buy low and see if he can make it out of the spring training to beat out some competition.

the more I think about it, we really outta avoid dealing away De Leon, Bellinger, and Verdugo in this off season. I would now include Chase De Jung in that group too. I don't see the Orioles keeping Machado until he declares for the free agency in 2019. I think they will deal him and get something back for him. they could do it at the end of 2018 season, but won't get as much as if they deal him sometime in 2018 or in the middle of his last season before FA in 2019. if the O's start tanking, it could happen even during this upcoming 2017 season. I would look to keep our younger prospects as well for Machado. guys currently playing in Rancho Cucomonga may come handy if the deal is delayed another year. they have Chris Davis signed for a long term at 1B, they would have holes in 3B, they currently have a hole in RF, and they always have holes in their rotation. seems like we have the parts necessary to pull off this deal.

with Stripling and Wood being capable of 2-3 innings of relief work, if we get a guy like Britton/Jansen/Chapman type of a closer, we are going to have yet another dominant bullpen and we really should consider 6 men rotation, granted the active roster does expand to 26 men.

Quake Griffin · Post #175 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:06 pm

That's something I can get behind. It's actually worth the prospect package and something I wouldn't second guess pulling the trigger on like I would hitting the Sale TJS Jackpot or getting the absolute worst Justin Verlander possible.

We're in on Sean Rodriguez? He played some first last year...potential A-gon trade looming/ Sean in as stop gap for Cody?
I'm not sure Sean can still handle the middle of the IF anymore.

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Thoughts on Yadier???? It's a compilation of older fangraphs vids we have all seen and some newer stuff I believe.

Gavin's bat looks slow....thoughts?

Quake Griffin · Post #176 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:37 pm

is anybody opposed to putting Kenta Maeda in a trade package this winter?

Not talking specific returns but I mean in theory....would you guys mind dealing him?
I would not.

Neddy · Post #177 » by **Neddy** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:00 pm

Alvarez looks good. his consistent throwing motion doesn't seem to tip off his pitches and his natural break on his 2 seamer is a great weapon to pair up with slider. his four seam is fying. his control is still a work in progress, probably better then when he was trying to impress scouts but still needs work.

Lux, I dunno. I see his physique and I see a kid with a great promise. I see his stats and he has potential but no power at all. he appears to be guessing at the pitches rather than reacting. Ted Williams will be proud, but I am not sure if a kid at 18 should be guessing in rookie league.

Neddy · Post #178 » by **Neddy** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:01 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:is anybody opposed to putting Kenta Maeda in a trade package this winter?

Not talking specific returns but I mean in theory....would you guys mind dealing him?
I would not.

not at all. not from me.

Maeda and SVS plus Willie and we got a deal to any AL league team.

Ranma · Post #179 » by **Ranma** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:08 am

Quake Griffin wrote:is anybody opposed to putting Kenta Maeda in a trade package this winter?

Not talking specific returns but I mean in theory....would you guys mind dealing him?
I would not.

I'm theoretically not opposed to trading Maeda either, but I have slight concerns about how that would play out to future international free agents, especially so soon after signing him. In any case, the return would have to be significant for me to part with his quite reasonable contract at this point. At the same time, I don't really envision Kenta as being anything more for us than a decent 4th or 5th starter for the majority of his contract.

Neddy · Post #180 » by **Neddy** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:31 am

Ranma wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:is anybody opposed to putting Kenta Maeda in a trade package this winter?

Not talking specific returns but I mean in theory....would you guys mind dealing him?
I would not.

I'm theoretically not opposed to trading Maeda either, but I have slight concerns about how that would play out to future international free agents, especially so soon after signing him. In any case, the return would have to be significant for me to part with his quite reasonable contract at this point. At the same time, I don't really envision Kenta as being anything more for us than a decent 4th or 5th starter for the majority of his contract.

we've had Nomo, Chan Ho, Chin-Feng Chen and hell, we even got Dean Kramer the first Israeli to be drafted in MLB. this is of course without mentioning Jack and Kim.

we won't have issues. at the same time, Maeda will only be packaged in a deal that will significantly improve us, not just another frivolous deal that will bring a marginal improvement.