2017-18 OFF-SEASON

[CF55]

Greg Holland declines $15 million option.
My guess is he wants years. I wonder what this means for Brandon Morrow's market???

I think I prefer Morrow but I would not mind having Holland setup Mariano 2.0.

Both? I don't think i can justify that much salary being spent on the bullpen though.

Holland won't come here no matter the contract we offer he wants to be a closer and someone will pay him like one.

As for Morrow I'm not entirely sure I want him back. Morrow was great I won't deny that but he sucked in Triple A before we called him up midseason and his arm is a ticking time bomb. He was quite fun to watch down the stretch last season but I really don't think he can repeat the year he had again. I also think some team might be stupid enough to offer Morrow a closers job.

knowing Dave, he will do as much as he can to keep Maeda our 5th starter, to give him a chance to make his incentives. I personally think it is best for the team to consider him to be a setup man, or right handed bats specialist middle reliever. but with him on our rotation, it will be

Kershaw
Hill
Wood
Maeda ( in 4th slot, since Urias is coming back from injury and is still a kid, but by the end of the season, he will be the 5th man)
Ryu to start, then Urias taking over.

two of Ryu / Urias / McCarthy will become injury replacements.

despite all the hype and hope, this leaves Buehler out of the contention for a spot in our rotation.

how about giving this kid a chance to be that 8th inning setup man? in fact, I am not against trying Urias out as a set up man as well. it might be good to limit their innings and pitch counts for the season while one is coming right off of TJS and the other only a year removed from it and both are under the age of 25.

reversely in order,

C - Jansen
setup - Urias
setup - Buehler
middle - every pre-arbitration and arbitration eligible arms

then our rotation would be

Kershaw ( will miss a month )
Hill ( will miss 2 months, just hoping him and Kershaw are taking their time off separately )
Wood ( should give him a month off a half way through so his velocity remains at the end of the year )
McCarthy ( hope he doesn't fall apart like before mentally when other guys are taking time off )
Ryu ( a full year removed from shoulder and elbow issues. I fully expect him to come out swinging from the start to inflate his value on a contract year )
Maeda. ( will be a relief comes post season again)

just another mental exercise.

Urias didn't have TJS...... he had shoulder surgery is expected to miss all of 2018 season.

I am against using Buehler as a reliever it kills P keep him as a starter. I don't want Buehler turning into Joba, Morrow, or any of the others who got switched between starting and relieving. If they don't want him to start the season the rotation slide Walker to Trip A until McCarthy or Ryu end up on IR.

[Neddy]

Holland won't come here no matter the contract we offer he wants to be a closer and someone will pay him like one.

As for Morrow I'm not entirely sure I want him back. Morrow was great I won't deny that but he sucked in Triple A before we called him up midseason and his arm is a ticking time bomb. He was quite fun to watch down the stretch last season but I really don't think he can repeat the year he had again. I also think some team might be stupid enough to offer Morrow a closers job.

knowing Dave, he will do as much as he can to keep Maeda our 5th starter, to give him a chance to make his incentives. I personally think it is best for the team to consider him to be a setup man, or right handed bats specialist middle reliever. but with him on our rotation, it will be

Kershaw
Hill
Wood
Maeda ( in 4th slot, since Urias is coming back from injury and is still a kid, but by the end of the season, he will be the 5th man)
Ryu to start, then Urias taking over.

two of Ryu / Urias / McCarthy will become injury replacements.

despite all the hype and hope, this leaves Buehler out of the contention for a spot in our rotation.

how about giving this kid a chance to be that 8th inning setup man? in fact, I am not against trying Urias out as a set up man as well. it might be good to limit their innings and pitch counts for the season while one is coming right off of TJS and the other only a year removed from it and both are under the age of 25.

reversely in order,

C - Jansen
setup - Urias
setup - Buehler
middle - every pre-arbitration and arbitration eligible arms

then our rotation would be

Kershaw ( will miss a month )
Hill ( will miss 2 months, just hoping him and Kershaw are taking their time off separately )
Wood ( should give him a month off a half way through so his velocity remains at the end of the year )
McCarthy ( hope he doesn't fall apart like before mentally when other guys are taking time off )
Ryu ( a full year removed from shoulder and elbow issues. I fully expect him to come out swinging from the start to inflate his value on a contract year )
Maeda. ( will be a relief comes post season again)

just another mental exercise.

Urias didn't have TJS...... he had shoulder surgery is expected to miss all of 2018 season.

I am against using Buehler as a reliever it kills P keep him as a starter. I don't want Buehler turning into Joba, Morrow, or any of the others who got switched between starting and relieving. If they don't want him to start the season the rotation slide Walker to Trip A until McCarthy or Ryu end up on IR.

ahh, true. Im getting old and memories do fail me time to time. Urias went down with a shoulder issue. you are right.

but I just don't see where we can put these kids into the rotation without a trade. Scott Kazmir is a lost cause, McCarthy maybe tradable but won't be getting decent return, Ryu has a trade kicker and is in his last year, and Hill has performed when asked in post season. Wood is making a chump change and won't be moved. even with Scott probably not making the active roster, this rotation is full of proven vets. if the kids are okay with the AAA time, AAA it is for them. but my guess is that they will insist on being on the major league roster, and if not to start the season, Andrew and Co will call upon them come September to test them out as relievers for the post season.

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[Quake Griffin]

Greg Holland declines $15 million option.
My guess is he wants years. I wonder what this means for Brandon Morrow's market???

I think I prefer Morrow but I would not mind having Holland setup Mariano 2.0.

Both? I don't think i can justify that much salary being spent on the bullpen though.

Holland won't come here no matter the contract we offer he wants to be a closer and someone will pay him like one.

As for Morrow I'm not entirely sure I want him back. Morrow was great I won't deny that but he sucked in Triple A before we called him up midseason and his arm is a ticking time bomb. He was quite fun to watch down the stretch last season but I really don't think he can repeat the year he had again. I also think some team might be stupid enough to offer Morrow a closers job.

If he thinks like this, he is incredibly lame tbh and even moreso a fool for neglecting an opportunity to win just so he can close. But maybe he thinks like me and doesn't want to attach himself to a choke.


Andrew Miller should have made ANY bullpen arm comfortable with the fact that they can be somewhat of a bullpen ace coming out at any time, even if it isn't for the final 3 outs of the game.


His loss if he is that stubborn.

[Quake Griffin]

I feel like the general sense is already a big no but I try to approach the offseason with no hard and fast rules just like Friedman talks about and I get the sense from reading things in the past that they explore everything.



Soooo....



Jake Arrieta?

[CF55]

I feel like the general sense is already a big no but I try to approach the offseason with no hard and fast rules just like Friedman talks about and I get the sense from reading things in the past that they explore everything.



Soooo....



Jake Arrieta?

I hope not he sucks now.

[Quake Griffin]

Roy Halladay brehs.

smfh.

[CF55]

Greg Holland declines $15 million option.
My guess is he wants years. I wonder what this means for Brandon Morrow's market???

I think I prefer Morrow but I would not mind having Holland setup Mariano 2.0.

Both? I don't think i can justify that much salary being spent on the bullpen though.

Holland won't come here no matter the contract we offer he wants to be a closer and someone will pay him like one.

As for Morrow I'm not entirely sure I want him back. Morrow was great I won't deny that but he sucked in Triple A before we called him up midseason and his arm is a ticking time bomb. He was quite fun to watch down the stretch last season but I really don't think he can repeat the year he had again. I also think some team might be stupid enough to offer Morrow a closers job.

If he thinks like this, he is incredibly lame tbh and even moreso a fool for neglecting an opportunity to win just so he can close. But maybe he thinks like me and doesn't want to attach himself to a choke.


Andrew Miller should have made ANY bullpen arm comfortable with the fact that they can be somewhat of a bullpen ace coming out at any time, even if it isn't for the final 3 outs of the game.


His loss if he is that stubborn.

Holland has a ring, now he wants money I don't fault him. Closers get the big bucks not setup men. If a team offers him a closers contract as opposed to 7 to 8 M a year to setup for Kenley he would be stupid not to take it at his age and the fact that he already missed one year of earning potential (2016). Holland should maximize what he earns and I respect him for doing whats best for him and his family.

[Quake Griffin]

He has a ring.

He didn't pitch in that run.

[CF55]

He has a ring.

He didn't pitch in that run.

He pitched 48 games during the regular season and was a key cog before his injury.

It still doesn't matter though he still has a ring now he wants his money especially when he had to sit out the 16 season.

[Quake Griffin]

Yeah, so not October.


Winning will more than likely be factored into his decision. I doubt he pitches for Miami next year.

He should hear us out even if he’s not the closer.


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[Quake Griffin]

Rick Honeycutt is back btw.

I’ve been saying that this FO will re-sign Yu against my better wishes. I hope I am wrong and Honey’s return doesnt entice us to bring him back.


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[CF55]

Yeah, so not October.


Winning will more than likely be factored into his decision. I doubt he pitches for Miami next year.

He should hear us out even if he’s not the closer.


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He signed with Rockies last year cause of the closers role and the money. Whether or not he pitched in October he still has a ring.

Who ever throws the money and the role he wants will get him. I don't even want Holland either way he's a solid reliever but I don't view him as elite especially with his injury troubles and aside from saves last year he had average numbers. 3.61 ERA 4 walks per nine innings. His strikeout rate went down as well. Tommy John and losing control and velocity is not a great mix for a pitcher over 30.

[Quake Griffin]

I dont think he takes the role n money in Miami or Philly.

I think he goes to a winner...Nats maybe.

He didn’t pitch in October when they got the ring btw and that’s what is most important. Not a ring.

He should listen if we call.


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[CF55]

I dont think he takes the role n money in Miami.

I think he goes to a winner.

He didn’t pitch in October when they got the ring btw.


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I realize he didnt pitch in October but his WS ring is the same as every other player from that team. Marlins wouldnt offer him the money most people predict him going to St.Louis or the Cubs if Cubs lose Wade Davis. Despite there reputation cardinals aren't really a contender at this point. He wants money and he wants to be the closer. You can say what ever you want about him not pitching in October that year cause he doesn't give a **** and he still has a ring bringing up him not pitching doesn't change the fact that he has some bling that most others don't have.

[Quake Griffin]

Just saw he got the QO.

He will more than likely be a Rockie.


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[Neddy]

Andrew is right that having a two way player is risky...

and with the potential of future ransom, maybe it is for the best that we don't invest in him.

Kershaw
Hill
Wood
Ryu
McCarthy
Maeda
Buehler
Urias
Oaks
Stripling
Stewart
Santana
Alvarez

this is the future for the next three years.

[Quake Griffin]

I dont think he takes the role n money in Miami.

I think he goes to a winner.

He didn’t pitch in October when they got the ring btw.


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I realize he didnt pitch in October but his WS ring is the same as every other player from that team. Marlins wouldnt offer him the money most people predict him going to St.Louis or the Cubs if Cubs lose Wade Davis. Despite there reputation cardinals aren't really a contender at this point. He wants money and he wants to be the closer. You can say what ever you want about him not pitching in October that year cause he doesn't give a **** and he still has a ring bringing up him not pitching doesn't change the fact that he has some bling that most others don't have.

And I realize he has a ring but hes a human being and a competitor and didn’t pitch that October while the Royals didn’t miss a beat without him and Wade Davis surpassed his status as a closer.

If he’s half of a human being, it’s not as simple as, “he has a ring.” He wants another shot at October glory. Glory he was one game away from in 2014.

Edit:
It’s not crazy to see the Cards getting back into October in relatively short order (specifically within the life of his long term deal). He’d be a great addition there and add to their chance at getting to October given that role has given them problems in the last couple of years.


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[Quake Griffin]

Andrew is right that having a two way player is risky...

and with the potential of future ransom, maybe it is for the best that we don't invest in him.

Kershaw
Hill
Wood
Ryu
McCarthy
Maeda
Buehler
Urias
Oaks
Stripling
Stewart
Santana
Alvarez

this is the future for the next three years.

Don’t invest in who?


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[The_Watcher]

As a heartbroken Dodger fan, I wonder if our same squad will get it done again next season for another dominating run to the world series.


Anyone think we kick the tires on a potential Stanton trade to bring him home to LA? I know Toles is healing up, and no way Puig, or Taylor are being removed from their spots in the OF. Do you think Stanton (massive contract included) is worth the trade to place him in LF? I feel like we have enough prospects and attractive players to make a move.