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Gerritt Cole Available? 

Post#301 » by Ranma » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:15 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:It's early but are you guys interested in making a move at the deadline?

Neddy wrote:depends. as of right now, we don't really have a glaring weakness.

if we have massive injuries to SP, we could make a move. we probably could use a strong setup man regardless. but the price, will have to be reasonable.

Ranma wrote:Nick Cafardo, Boston Globe (6/3/17)
6. Los Angeles Dodgers — The Dodgers are one of the best teams in baseball, and they’re stacked. And with Brandon McCarthy pitching well again, that’s been a huge boost. But most talent evaluators think they’ll make a play for the top available starter, whether it be Ervin Santana, Hellickson, Archer, or someone else.

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I've mentioned before that I'm still inclined to stand pat at the deadline given the premium prices to be paid at the time, however, there is talk that Gerritt Cole might be available. If we do make a move as Cafardo reports that most talent evaluators expect us to do so, I'd target Cole above Chris Archer if we have to give up a quality prospect or two. I'm still against giving up too much in either case. Now if we can get away with quantity over quality in terms of prospects in a transaction, I'd target Sonny Gray or Ervin Santana.
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Re: Gerritt Cole Available? 

Post#302 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:39 pm

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Quake Griffin wrote:It's early but are you guys interested in making a move at the deadline?

Neddy wrote:depends. as of right now, we don't really have a glaring weakness.

if we have massive injuries to SP, we could make a move. we probably could use a strong setup man regardless. but the price, will have to be reasonable.

Ranma wrote:Nick Cafardo, Boston Globe (6/3/17)
6. Los Angeles Dodgers — The Dodgers are one of the best teams in baseball, and they’re stacked. And with Brandon McCarthy pitching well again, that’s been a huge boost. But most talent evaluators think they’ll make a play for the top available starter, whether it be Ervin Santana, Hellickson, Archer, or someone else.

After Two Months of Baseball, Which Teams are Trending Up and Down?


I've mentioned before that I'm still inclined to stand pat at the deadline given the premium prices to be paid at the time, however, there is talk that Gerritt Cole might be available. If we do make a move as Cafardo reports that most talent evaluators expect us to do so, I'd target Cole above Chris Archer if we have to give up a quality prospect or two. I'm still against giving up too much in either case. Now if we can get away with quantity over quality in terms of prospects in a transaction, I'd target Sonny Gray or Ervin Santana.

Another Boras client.
Maybe the injuries will put him in Stephen Strasburg territory where he will re-up with us before hitting FA.


I'm not interested in Gray or Ervin. I'm not enamored with who they are as pitchers. If we want an ace, go get an ace. No more pussyfooting around it getting things close to an ace on a bargain.
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Mike Freeman Called Up? 

Post#303 » by Ranma » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:28 pm

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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#304 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Jun 6, 2017 3:39 am

Ryu Ryuing


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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#305 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:37 am

Series scared me more than the previous 3 or 4.

Got hot.
Coming home.
Gonna face 2 really good pitchers.

We have to beat a playoff team in our home.
If not for the "mental edge", then for a tie breaker in October.


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In-Depth Scouting Reports on Shohei Otani by 5 Pro Evaluators 

Post#306 » by Ranma » Tue Jun 6, 2017 7:16 pm

Teams and journalists have not been able to observe Shohei Otani perform in games due to his hamstring issues, but this particular writer talked with 5 anonymous team officials with international scouting-related positions to get their respective reads on the Japanese phenom and it's quite an interesting read, which I highly recommend.

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The Fighters have been very judicious in the way they’ve handled Otani on the mound. His career high for games started is 24; his career high in innings pitched is 160.2. As a point of comparison, Yu Darvish pitched for Nippon Ham from 2005 (his age-18 season) through 2011 (his age-24 season). In his seven years with the club, Darvish threw 1,268.1 innings – surpassing the 200-innings mark four times.

“I actually see it as the organization viewing him as an asset – and they’ve protected him,” one scout said. “They’ve brought him along the right way, and they haven’t pushed him. They recognize that he’s still young and still growing, and they’ve really taken the time to research how the body grows. Knowing that he’s still growing, they’ve skipped starts when they’ve had to and scaled back when he wasn’t feeling that great. I honestly think that’s a testament to the organization and the kid for knowing his body.”

Said a second scout, “I think it’s awesome. It shows a commitment to him on their part. Look at (Masahiro) Tanaka or Darvish or (Kenta) Maeda; at 20 years old, they were already throwing close to 200 innings. Even at a young age, it was ‘Hey, you’re our ace. Go get them.’ But Nippon Ham has done an excellent job of protecting him. They’ve prolonged his career by not abusing him.”
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“If he was a two-way guy in the States, you’d make him a position player first,” one of the scouts said. “John Olerud, Ike Davis, guys like that … if they fail hitting, then we’ll put them on the mound. But he’s been such a special talent from both sides of the ball. Nippon Ham was smart how they did that. They drafted him out of high school and let him do both. It’s almost like they told him, ‘We’ll let you continue to develop so that you can go to the States.’
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Four of the five scouts dropped the name Yu Darvish into the conversation. Two scouts said Justin Verlander. One scout brought up a handful of names, both past and present.

“I compare him to guys like Josh Beckett, Roger Clemens, Nolan Ryan … you know, power pitchers,” he said. “These guys were able to pitch with their fastballs and secondary stuff. If you look at Otani’s stuff and the ability to throw strikes, he’s right up there with the (Dwight) Goodens, the Ryans, the Becketts, the more modern-day (Noah) Syndergaards. The power right-hander. He has an 80 fastball, but he also has plus-plus secondary stuff and the ability to throw a ton of strikes and command the strike zone.”
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There was agreement across the board that Otani’s future grade as a hitter was in the 45-to-50 range.

“I think if he plays every day in the big leagues and he gets his at bats, he’d hit .260 to .275 with 20-to-25 homers,” said one scout.

Another scout echoed that assessment. “He’s probably 45ish. I think he would hit in the .260s with 25-plus home runs,” he said.
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Four of the scouts categorized him as having 70 power. A fifth even said he’s put a future 80 on that tool. “At the plate, he has an approach geared for power. Best case scenario, the hit tool will be average, but when he does connect, it’s pretty special power.”

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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#307 » by Quake Griffin » Wed Jun 7, 2017 6:11 am

Missed the game.

What was Puig charging the mound for?


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Mouthy National 

Post#308 » by Ranma » Wed Jun 7, 2017 8:35 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Missed the game.

What was Puig charging the mound for?


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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#309 » by Quake Griffin » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:12 pm

Smfh.

Good to see Brandon McCarthy put up a good start though.

Hopefully Kershaw can salvage something today and we can focus on pounding the Reds this weekend.


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Re: Maeda on Short Leash 

Post#310 » by Neddy » Thu Jun 8, 2017 1:15 am

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I guess that means Ryu is either gonna hit the 10 day DL or go to the pen again. it's a shame. Ryu is already the better pitcher who is recovering from his serious injury getting stronger each day, and Maeda is a injury risk who is regressing as of late, who's ERA is north of 5.
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Roberts with a Change of Heart; Heston's Cup of Coffee To-Go 

Post#311 » by Ranma » Thu Jun 8, 2017 6:25 am

Neddy wrote:I guess that means Ryu is either gonna hit the 10 day DL or go to the pen again. it's a shame. Ryu is already the better pitcher who is recovering from his serious injury getting stronger each day, and Maeda is a injury risk who is regressing as of late, who's ERA is north of 5.


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I loved Chris Heston as a GIant, and now we have him for next to nothing. unbelievable. his only risk is his blood test from his 2015 season. if he was clean and still managed to put up the numbers of 2016 and so far of 2017, his WHIP should get under 1.5 in a hurry,

do I think he will be our ace? no but he is capable of being a lightening in a bottle. I am certain he is not done, for sure. he is a giants' import version of Brock.


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Shohei Otani: International Man of Mystery 

Post#312 » by Ranma » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:26 am

Jeff Passan, Yahoo Sports (6/8/17)
Earlier this year, a National League general manager tasked a few trusted employees with a secret mission: Find out everything you can about Shohei Otani. One of the employees came back a few days later with some sparse details but a useful nugget of information: If Otani really does bring his 102-mph fastball and powerful bat to Major League Baseball from Japan during the upcoming winter, he wants to play for a big-market team with a large Japanese population. A few days after that, another of the employees delivered what he thought was some solid dope: When Otani does reach the major leagues, he really would love to head to a small market, blend in and avoid any more distractions than the ones inherent in his arrival.

The GM laughed. He doesn’t know if it’s intentional subterfuge, tongue-in-cheek trolling or out-of-the-loop sources trying to pass themselves off as in-the-know insiders, but his experience with Otani matches that of four other GMs who spoke with Yahoo Sports about the 22-year-old and said variations of the same thing: They have absolutely no idea what’s going on with him.

One scout is convinced the Texas Rangers are the favorites for Otani. Another GM believes the same – though he heard Otani might prefer the Los Angeles Dodgers. And then there are the San Diego Padres, who have a partnership with Otani’s Japanese team and hired a former strength coach of his in a prominent role. Don’t forget the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs and San Francisco Giants and Houston Astros and others lurking, waiting, wondering whether their recon might be the difference between landing Otani and losing him.
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Arbitrary caps happen to encumber him now, in potentially laughable ways. The Dodgers, Padres, Astros, Cubs and Giants are among 11 teams limited this year to spending a maximum of $300,000 on an international player as a penalty for breaking previous thresholds. So if Otani, one of the best players in the world, decides he wants to play for, say, the Dodgers, not only would his signing bonus cap at $300,000, he would enter into baseball’s salary system like a rookie, meaning he would make about $550,000 for each of his first three seasons, then be subjected to three more in the restrictive arbitration system, before he reached true free agency.
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Teams are wary still. One GM put it this way: “Does he want to come over here badly enough that he’s essentially going to pay $100 million a year for two years to play?” Theoretically, there are ways to circumvent this. One scout familiar with Otani predicted a “handshake deal” in which the team gives him a contract extension after the first season, though high-ranking sources at MLB said the league expects to be vigilant to ensure the sanctity of the system is not made a mockery by extralegal payments.

How they might adjudicate that is tricky. If, say, Otani were to sign a contract extension after his first season, and it weren’t close to in line with previously established market values for players with a year of service time, it would be obvious that some sort of deal had been struck. The Pandora’s box of MLB intervening in contracts, though, is one that it dare not open, not in the name of enforcing a rule as flaccid as the international restrictions may prove to be.

The Mystery of Shohei Otani and Whether He'll Leave $200M on the Table to Play in MLB


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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#313 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:42 pm

Does Maeda have stuff that's gonna be even good for the bullpen?

I always envision bullpen guys as 2 pitch guys.
What's he gonna do? Get an uptick in velo on his fastball and throw curve balls?
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Maeda in the Bullpen and the Return of Red Beard 

Post#314 » by Ranma » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:37 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Does Maeda have stuff that's gonna be even good for the bullpen?

I always envision bullpen guys as 2 pitch guys.
What's he gonna do? Get an uptick in velo on his fastball and throw curve balls?


While his fastball is not the best of the best, it's decent. He's actually striking a batter out for every inning he's pitched. Like, Rick Honeycutt, I prefer pitchers with high-velocity fastballs and at least 3 out-pitches in their repertoire regardless of whether they're a starter or reliever.

I'm not as concerned about Kenta's stuff as I am with his approach, which is partly why he's struggling as a starter. He's failed to get into a consistent rhythm. He does seem to struggle early against batters before settling down in his outings, which actually hurts his cause as a reliever when we need more immediate effectiveness.

Hopefully, this demotion helps him figure things out by encouraging him to narrow his focus more on the batter from the outset of when he takes the mound. I'm definitely concerned with employing him in high-leverage situations, but at least it limits his exposure if he continues to struggle.


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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#315 » by Neddy » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:22 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Does Maeda have stuff that's gonna be even good for the bullpen?

I always envision bullpen guys as 2 pitch guys.
What's he gonna do? Get an uptick in velo on his fastball and throw curve balls?


slider.

he can throw that slider to his hearts content.
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Post#316 » by Neddy » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:17 am

great game by Kenta, and man, that downward slider for his second K was awesome to watch!!!!

his fastballs were up to 94 mph as well. Maeda is going to thrive in his long man job for now. hopefully he gains some confidence in his own stuff the way Wood and Ryu has built upon their stints with that job.
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Ghost of Prospects Past: Kevin Maas 

Post#317 » by Ranma » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:03 pm

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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#318 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:02 am

Alex strikes out Schebler.

2 on
2 out.
Pitch count at 87.
5.2 IP
1 ER


I'd like to let the young guys prove themselves....but alas, more Alex Wood **** talk about how he cant get through the lineup 3 times.


Josh Fields promptly lets the Reds tie the game in 2 pitches.

Alex Wood has earned the right for Dave to let him go in that situation. Take off the **** kid gloves. Sheesh.




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CT3 in CF (Reposted from Wrong Thread) 

Post#319 » by Ranma » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:54 am

Note to Andrew Toles: This is why you don't prematurely pull up on a flyball near the warning track of a padded wall.

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Josh Fields Throwing Batting Practice to Reds (Reposted from Wrong Thread) 

Post#320 » by Ranma » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:55 am

This is the second time within the past week where Dave Roberts made the questionable move of pulling his star pitcher before he could finish the inning. Baez only bailed himself out with a spectacular fielding play off an otherwise hard-hit ball in relief of Kershaw and now Fields just gave up a 3-run homer to tie up the game and ruin Wood's stats despite pitching a gem of a game. Now Wood's ERA is over 2.00; he deserved the opportunity to end the inning.

I disagreed with both moves at the time even though I get that our manager wants to limit Kershaw's workload for the season.
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