2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international

Quake Griffin · Post #381 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:54 am

Ranma wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:Are you guys a fan of Kershaw's side arm fastball since Rich has been here?

Apparently he threw that way in HS.

Anywho. Looks like he just got a K throwing a curve out of the same slot

Without knowing if it poses extra risks to his arm, I actually like Kershaw changing his arm angles on some of his pitches as long as he doesn't rely on that arm slot for a single pitch and continues to use his normal delivery for his fastball and curveball as well. I just like throwing hitters off with a more unexpected movement, which is why I liked that he was taking after Rich Hill some last season.

That was going to be my problem with it.

But I saw the curve come out if the same slot for a K.
Same wavelength

And there goes Cody again.

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Ranma · Post #382 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:04 am

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Quake Griffin · Post #383 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:17 am

How has this guy become more susceptible to the HR ball?

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Ranma · Post #384 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:20 am

I don't know. Maybe life as a dada is taking a toll on him. Kershaw is still good, just not like the mythical Minotaur he was previously.

Quake Griffin · Post #385 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:42 am

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Quake Griffin wrote:http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0

Found it interesting Kershaw is not leading in fWAR like he typically he does. Not only that, he's not even close to being the top guy.
ERA significantly above his FIP by almost a full point.
K/9 slightly down.
HR/9 significantly up
HR/FB rate significantly up.

Ranma said he seemed human the other day. I tended to agree with him. Inspite of the solid ERA, I don't think he's as good as he has been in the past.
Is it the back? Is it the stuff? Is it Yasmani calling the pitches?

I think your expectation is too high. baseball isn't like basketball, where the best players play the best most of the times. Clayton is still the top 6 pitcher in baseball in terms of fWAR and that means a ton with still only 70 games into the season. Chris Sale may still end up being the best WAR pitcher in the league, but we are 6 games ahead of them while having a bunch of our regulars slumping. Kershaw still leads the league in W. he is the 4th in terms of total innings pitched. Clayton is leading the league with 89% LOB in the entire baseball. his overall stats may not indicate the same dominance, but he is getting out of trouble at the best rate in baseball and he is due. but even while struggling, he has 9 Ws in 70 games. I know, I know.. I have been the vocal protester of conventional stats and here I am, prodding conventional stats. but what I mean is that despite his woes, he is still keeping things in excellent shape in terms of the outcome. and he is only going to get better.

I wouldn't worry about his stuff. it is still the same. I wish he can master a change up tho, with even an average change up, he would be the best of all time without a peer.

Yeah.

Nah.

Quake Griffin · Post #386 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:59 am

Ranma wrote:I don't know. Maybe life as a dada is taking a toll on him. Kershaw is still good, just not like the mythical Minotaur he was previously.

I want that guy back. Maybe he'll do the inverse and be unhittable in October ala Game 2 Cubs.

Weird though.
Dodger fans when Greinke left: We can't survive without Kershaw.

2016? Missed 2 months.
2017? Great but not normal Kershaw.
Not skipping a beat. True testament to how well built this team is.

Ranma · Post #387 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:09 am

Quake Griffin wrote:I want that guy back. Maybe he'll do the inverse and be unhittable in October ala Game 2 Cubs.

Weird though.
Dodger fans when Greinke left: We can't survive without Kershaw.

2016? Missed 2 months.
2017? Great but not normal Kershaw.
Not skipping a beat. True testament to how well built this team is.

I was actually thinking same thing in hoping that we'll get a more clutch Kershaw for the postseason. The key may be to rest him more this year, particularly during the 2nd half of the regular season leading up to the playoffs.

I agree. This team is well built to sustain the struggles we've encountered, but like you, I'm also hoping to see all our players in full health and at peak levels to see what this team is really capable of. I'm particularly concerned with Bellinger being fatigued during the latter part of the season and entire postseason since he's not used to playing a full MLB season. Seager seemed to suffer from that last year as well.

Quake Griffin · Post #388 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:28 am

Yes.

I learned my lesson the hard way. I bitched and moaned all last year about giving Corey too much rest.

Then Corey said he was exhausted at the end of the year when the season was over.

Pls rest Bellinger properly.

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Neddy · Post #389 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:33 am

I didn't understand the move by Dave. Kershaw gave up 4 runs already in 4 hits only but with 3 HRs, two of them against none home run hitters, and hit 100 pitch count already. even if Dave wants to save his bench, now with 4 runs lead, there is no reason to trot Clay out there for the 7th. our ace had a tough night and yet he got through 6 innings, again, with 100 pitch count. if saving his arm for the playoffs is the reason for having him take a day off yesterday for an extra rest, it is counterproductive to overburden his arm right away.

if Kershaw insisted on going out there for the 7th after getting out of the 6th against Dave's wishes, he could have taken Kershaw out with the excuse of an extra bat to start the bottom of the 6th.

that was a terrible, unreasonable move by Dave... and I like Dave a hell of a lot more than Donnie ballsacs

Ranma · Post #390 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:39 am

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Neddy · Post #391 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:39 am

WOW

we turned Zach Lee into Chris Taylor and he is worth every penny we gave Zach as his signing bonus with this year's performance alone.. what a robbery of a trade Andrew Friedman made......

now the question is, does Joc have enough defense to reclaim the centerfield from Chris when Gonzo is back, pushing Bellinger back to LF? because clearly, Chris is playing like a man who just figured out how to hit the major league pitching and hitting on all cylinders.

TKainZero · Post #392 » by **TKainZero** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:16 am

Turner is unreal

Ranma · Post #393 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:31 am

TKainZero wrote:Turner is unreal

Yeah, he's just a point shy of batting .400 right now, although, he did get some help on that last knock thanks to some faulty Mets equipment.

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Ranma · Post #394 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:47 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Brock Stewart recalled and Ravin sent down.

Finally. Hated that he started this year off with an injury.

Ranma, he's one of our internal options that I hope catches lightning in a bottle and can eventually be a 7th or 8th inning guy.

Ranma wrote:I see Stewart as a pitcher who will eventually compete for one of the starting rotation spots, but given that he's coming off his injury rehab from the minors, he should be a good relief arm to have as he builds up innings in getting back into the swing of things.

Wilson Karaman ,BaseballProspectus.com (6/19/17)

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Brock Stewart, RHP, Los Angeles Dodgers (High-A Rancho Cucamonga)
First rehab start from shoulder strain (5/27), pitched loose and easy, looked healthy; simple delivery, moderate early tempo, fluid, consistent into arm swing and drive, mildly closed off and uphill, creates some deception to true three quarter slot, quality extension; above-average arm speed, on time to slot, strong command projection; FB 93-95, hard run, command to both sides, life in the zone; CH 81-82, excellent arm speed, moderate fade and tumble, above-average velo separation, feel and command down low, trusts it to get ahead in-zone, hard SL 90-91, up several ticks from beginning of last year, late horizontal action, some bite, shattered a bat R-on-R moving off outside corner; pitchability, command, and stuff of a legitimate mid-rotation arm, high probability health-permitting

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Keith Rader ,BaseballProspectus.com (6/19/17)

Trevor Oaks, RHP, Los Angeles Dodgers (Triple-A Oklahoma City)
High-waisted with a strong, durable frame and broad shoulders; listed at 6-foot-3, 220 pounds. Oaks looks to be an end-of-rotation innings eater, and he has the frame and repertoire you would expect with that profile. Deals from a high-three-quarters slot with average arm speed and a bit of a stab on the backside of the windup. He hides the ball well and throws in a bit of an open-faced glove flip for added deception. The best pitch is a sinker with mild run in the lower third of the zone which was thrown exclusively in the 91-94 range. A slider was the preferred secondary offering, but it is a tick below average with average depth and little lateral movement. The change up is a present 50 pitch, but could play up slightly in the future; thrown in the same velo range as the slider, it has a decent amount of arm side fade and could put hitters away as command improves.

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TKainZero · Post #395 » by **TKainZero** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:34 am

Something just isn't right with kershaw

Yea, he is still one of the best pitchers ever and in the MLB. But something is off

Ranma · Post #396 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:06 am

Neddy wrote:WOW

we turned Zach Lee into Chris Taylor and he is worth every penny we gave Zach as his signing bonus with this year's performance alone.. what a robbery of a trade Andrew Friedman made......

now the question is, does Joc have enough defense to reclaim the centerfield from Chris when Gonzo is back, pushing Bellinger back to LF? because clearly, Chris is playing like a man who just figured out how to hit the major league pitching and hitting on all cylinders.

Jeff Sullivan, FanGraphs.com (6/19/17)

For the new Chris Taylor, at the plate, easily the closest comp has been recent George Springer. They’re close up there in all four categories, and while Springer has shown the slightly better peak strength, Taylor has made more consistent contact. So, when you wonder how Taylor’s wRC+ might regress, you might decide to be strongly anchored to Springer’s 130. Perhaps that’s still too high, I don’t know, but Taylor has been showing legitimate offensive skills, and his defensive versatility is an obvious plus. Pitchers will have time to try to figure this out, but Taylor hasn’t given an inch.

Without question, Bellinger has come in handy for the Dodgers at just the right time. But Taylor, too, has been crucial to the Dodgers’ early success, and this is just another testament to the organization’s depth. Taylor always seemed like someone who could play a little bit. Now he’s resembling a critical component of the Astros’ organizational core.

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Ranma · Post #397 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:09 am

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Quake Griffin · Post #398 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:17 pm

Neddy wrote:WOW

we turned Zach Lee into Chris Taylor and he is worth every penny we gave Zach as his signing bonus with this year's performance alone.. what a robbery of a trade Andrew Friedman made......

now the question is, does Joc have enough defense to reclaim the centerfield from Chris when Gonzo is back, pushing Bellinger back to LF? because clearly, Chris is playing like a man who just figured out how to hit the major league pitching and hitting on all cylinders.

Their haters have been all but demanding that they spin straw into gold since people recognize them as a forward thinking, smart front office.

Well...there you have it.
Zach Lee - Straw.
Chris Taylor- Gold.

Hector Olivera, Paco, Bird - Straw.
Alex Wood - Gold.

Ranma · Post #399 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:19 am

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Ranma · Post #400 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:43 am

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