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Howell Surprisingly Opts In 

Post#41 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 5, 2015 9:09 am

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#42 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:08 pm

Why is that surprising? He's over 30, doesnt throw hard, is some what of a specialist and his work load was smaller last year.



Can't believe we just lost Davey Lopes to the Nationals.
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Losing Lopes and Retaining Howell 

Post#43 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:35 pm

Given his age and numbers last season, you would think Howell would be seeking a multi-year deal for more guaranteed money given how volatile that role is. Conversely, it's an attractive salary for the season and he may be quite comfortable in Los Angeles and confident that pitching in Chavez Ravine will keep his numbers solid, so I guess you have a point about him coming back being not that surprising, but I and most others expected him to opt out. No big deal as I don't mind bringing him back, but like you said, his more limited usage would not have been terribly missed.

I'm with you on losing Lopes, but I'm also fretting the likelihood of losing Wallach to Mattingly's staff. Neither loss would be devastating, but I tend to be partial to not losing long-time organizational employees. Wallach, in particular, would be a big benefit for Mattingly given his handle on strategy, eye for talent, and communications skills.

While we're said to be close to extending Honeycutt in order to transition him to an advisory role, I'd like to pursue Greg Maddux as our pitching coach. I've wanted him for that role since he last pitched for us, but he's currently with the Texas Rangers where they just hired his brother, Mike, as their pitching coach.


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Re: Losing Lopes and Retaining Howell 

Post#44 » by Neddy » Fri Nov 6, 2015 3:18 am

Ranma wrote:While we're said to be close to extending Honeycutt in order to transition him to an advisory role, I'd like to pursue Greg Maddux as our pitching coach. I've wanted him for that role since he last pitched for us, but he's currently with the Texas Rangers where they just hired his brother, Mike, as their pitching coach.[/color]


who better than Greg Maddux as our pitching coach? he was never gifted with a fireball arm strength, he was never blessed with a 'once in a generation' type of 'stuff' on any of his pitches, and yet with his intellect and pin point accuracy, he made a HOF career out of 88 mph fastballs and not so Sandy Koufax like Curveballs. I even named my son's middle name after him. I am all for this move.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#45 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Nov 6, 2015 8:13 pm

Qualifying Offers go to Greinke, Howie and Brett Anderson.
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Options Officially Declined 

Post#46 » by Ranma » Fri Nov 6, 2015 10:31 pm

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#47 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 7, 2015 12:56 am

did I mention Mike Leake before?

I hit control+F on all the pages and Leake didn't come up.

Doesn't cost a draft pick.
will be 3rd tier cheaper than the Greinke Price tier and the Cueto Zimmermann tier.

He's worth a look IMO.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#48 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 7, 2015 3:10 am

Quake Griffin wrote:did I mention Mike Leake before?

I hit control+F on all the pages and Leake didn't come up.

Doesn't cost a draft pick.
will be 3rd tier cheaper than the Greinke Price tier and the Cueto Zimmermann tier.

He's worth a look IMO.


I'm starting to believe our ownership is really going for broke, and will not spare any expense to win it all as long as it is done in a sustainable way. considering that if given 5 or even ridiculous 6 year deal to Greinke, the tail end of that contract can be offset by cheap labor coming up through the system outperforming their deals. we have a bunch of guys who are coming off the books, I believe we will not only resign Greinke, but sign one of the remaining two elite starters as well and I think it will be David Price. I have a strong hunch that our next year's rotation will sport Kershaw - Greinke - Price - Wood - Anderson to start the season, and after a few rehab starts in the minors, if healthy, Ryu will probably replace Wood until Anderson is hurt again and Wood is plugged back in. Brandon MacCarthy will make it back by the second half of the season and give us an extra starter for whatever that may happen.

anywho, I guess my point here is that unless someone indeed outbid us in free agency and lose them, I don't see the real need for Mike Leake. of course things can change in a hurry if Greinke goes to SF.
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Dave Martinez Likely to Meet Friedman During GM Meetings 

Post#49 » by Ranma » Sat Nov 7, 2015 5:48 am

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#50 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 7, 2015 7:10 am

Neddy wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:did I mention Mike Leake before?

I hit control+F on all the pages and Leake didn't come up.

Doesn't cost a draft pick.
will be 3rd tier cheaper than the Greinke Price tier and the Cueto Zimmermann tier.

He's worth a look IMO.


I'm starting to believe our ownership is really going for broke, and will not spare any expense to win it all as long as it is done in a sustainable way. considering that if given 5 or even ridiculous 6 year deal to Greinke, the tail end of that contract can be offset by cheap labor coming up through the system outperforming their deals. we have a bunch of guys who are coming off the books, I believe we will not only resign Greinke, but sign one of the remaining two elite starters as well and I think it will be David Price. I have a strong hunch that our next year's rotation will sport Kershaw - Greinke - Price - Wood - Anderson to start the season, and after a few rehab starts in the minors, if healthy, Ryu will probably replace Wood until Anderson is hurt again and Wood is plugged back in. Brandon MacCarthy will make it back by the second half of the season and give us an extra starter for whatever that may happen.

anywho, I guess my point here is that unless someone indeed outbid us in free agency and lose them, I don't see the real need for Mike Leake. of course things can change in a hurry if Greinke goes to SF.

any reason in particular that you feel that way?

I have a weird feeling that they're going to go the other way.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#51 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 7, 2015 7:15 pm

Reliever wish list:

Aroldis
Ken Giles
Carter Capps
Jake McGee (you sold me here Ranma)
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#52 » by Neddy » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:06 am

Quake Griffin wrote:
Neddy wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:did I mention Mike Leake before?

I hit control+F on all the pages and Leake didn't come up.

Doesn't cost a draft pick.
will be 3rd tier cheaper than the Greinke Price tier and the Cueto Zimmermann tier.

He's worth a look IMO.


I'm starting to believe our ownership is really going for broke, and will not spare any expense to win it all as long as it is done in a sustainable way. considering that if given 5 or even ridiculous 6 year deal to Greinke, the tail end of that contract can be offset by cheap labor coming up through the system outperforming their deals. we have a bunch of guys who are coming off the books, I believe we will not only resign Greinke, but sign one of the remaining two elite starters as well and I think it will be David Price. I have a strong hunch that our next year's rotation will sport Kershaw - Greinke - Price - Wood - Anderson to start the season, and after a few rehab starts in the minors, if healthy, Ryu will probably replace Wood until Anderson is hurt again and Wood is plugged back in. Brandon MacCarthy will make it back by the second half of the season and give us an extra starter for whatever that may happen.

anywho, I guess my point here is that unless someone indeed outbid us in free agency and lose them, I don't see the real need for Mike Leake. of course things can change in a hurry if Greinke goes to SF.

any reason in particular that you feel that way?

I have a weird feeling that they're going to go the other way.


well here is my logic.
the FO values picks, in the name of sustainability. then there are a handful of guys who can be signed without, then among them, who brings the most value, David Price is a no brainer. Anderson won't be signed to a long term deal if if cost another team more than just money but a pick too, so our rotation right now is with Kershaw-Wood-Anderson and rehabbing Ryu, which are all lefties and if you add Price, that is still all lefties. consider that we could use Wood as a long relief or sent down to AAA, it opens a spot in the rotation for a chance to add a right handed pitcher back in the fold. MacCarthy won't be ready at the beginning of the season, and if a Sept call up brings up Urias at the end of the year, all surely available arms are lefties entirely. we are not going to go into the playoffs without a right handed arm and names like Mike Leake is for the regular season and usually goes to the pen or off the roster comes playoffs, and Johnny Cueto is too streaky, and injury prone to anchor your future around. all these circumstantial reasons points to only one logical solution which is Greinke. now I do agree that signing him to a 6 year deal paying him a 30 million per year is a terrible move in the long run, but here is the bigger reason to sign Greinke. we need to sign him AWAY from the Giants. the ugly Orange pairs Greinke up with Bumgarner and Cain and Heston can perform well, they become undoubtedly one of the best contenders in NL along with the redbirds and the young armed Mets, and one of top 3 rotations in all baseball.
it is going to be a terrible contract, and will surely become ugly in his last few years of the deal. but also by then dead money on Crawford, Ethier, even Gonzo all comes off the books. we would actually be saving some dead money than now and having a couple of bad deals won't kill this team's finance. our FO is playing smart and will limit these types of terrible long term deals in the future by grooming talented arms through the farm, but for right now, overpaying makes sense.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#53 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:03 pm

you guys have thoughts on Byung Ho Park?
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Pacific Rim Talent Base 

Post#54 » by Ranma » Mon Nov 9, 2015 8:23 pm

I don't know much about either Giles and Capps, but they sound interesting given their respective builds and arm strength but I'm concerned with the command and control of their pitches based on scouting reports. Giles, in particular, with his straight fastball sounds a bit like Jonathan Broxton to me.

With regard to Park, I'm generally not a fan of position players or even Japanese and Korean players overall just because there hasn't really been a steady stream of big impact players that have come from the Pacific Rim. Part of that is because we get them later in their careers and, pitchers in particular, are conditioned differently based on days pitched and their pitch counts, which have led to arm troubles adjusting to the North American system. Obviously, there are exceptions as I was excited about Hideo Nomo, optimistic with Chan Ho Park, and wanted both Ichuro Suzuki and Yu Darvish before their respective debuts in America. Takashi Saito, Hiroki Kuroda, and Hyun-Jin Ryu have been pleasant surprises to me personally, but I'm sure Neddy knew what to expect. Plus, there's still Shohei Otani who I'm very high on and the Dodgers have heavily pursued him in the past. Having said all that, there seems to be progress made in both the KBO and NPB in developing MLB talent, but I'm still not focused on Asian players as a pipeline for baseball talent.


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Initial Hot Stove Talk 

Post#55 » by Ranma » Mon Nov 9, 2015 8:44 pm

Buster Olney recently speculated in the video linked below that the Dodgers are in on both David Price and Zack Greinke while not saying we're trying to acquire both together. Internet chatter seems to line up with what Olney is saying. Like I've said before, I think the Dodgers need two aces this offseason given the lack of starting pitching prospects in the minors on the cusp of handling a #2 or #3 spot in the rotation for the foreseeable future outside of Julio Urias.

There are drawbacks to both Price and Greinke. I'm wary of paying Price more than Kershaw's annual average salary and I'm actually fine with paying Greinke Kershaw-like dollars for 3 years, but subsequent years after that are obviously more unappealing. I'd love to get both, but I'm glad to see we're in on the top two pitching free agents. Johnny Cueto is the other pitcher I'd like to pursue if we miss out on either, especially since he projects to get a significantly lesser deal, although I'm concerned with possible health issues. If Jason Heyward's price tag is $20 million per season or less, I'd be inclined to sign him as well and wouldn't mind getting Jordan Zimmerman on a value deal if we're going to lose our first-round pick.

Also, with regards to Price, I don't want him to sign with us just because we offered the most money. There is talk that he may prefer the Cubs, but I don't know how true that is for him. Of course, he's familiar with Friedman having worked with him in Tampa Bay and the two seem to like each other. I just want guys who want to be here because of the environment and history. We shouldn't have to pay a premium for someone to want to come here.

I guess pursuing Darren O'Day for our bullpen is a sign of encouragement but I'm not really high on him. Friedman's statement on Yasiel Puig in the tweet below seems to confirm my suspicions of his body not being fit either due to health or not taking care of himself despite the "bigger and stronger" comments by Friedman. He relies so much on his natural abilities, it wouldn't be a stretch to see him not focusing on maintaining his body properly.


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Byrd and Oriole Watching 

Post#56 » by Ranma » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:19 am

Phil Rogers from MLB.com remarked in the video posted below that he thinks the Dodgers tab Dave Martinez as their next manager. He also mentioned that he thinks Marlon Byrd has a career as a hitting coach after his playing days are over citing that Justin Turner credited Byrd's advice for his breakout season with the Dodgers. I got to say that Byrd sounds like an intriguing possibility down the line.

Also, the Dodgers are reported to be among a few teams who've already expressed interest in signing Darren O'Day. I'll concede that his sidearm delivery would offer a different look and style as a setup man in the bullpen, but I'd still rather sign Seung-Hwan Oh for the role.


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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#57 » by Neddy » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:38 am

Quake Griffin wrote:you guys have thoughts on Byung Ho Park?


LOVE the kid. I have watched at least dozen games this season and the season before of this kid in particular, staying up 3 in the morning til the dawn on weekends, livestreaming through NAVER.com since current Pirate Kang Jung Ho was still playing for them. Park is a monster. I remember seeing his 550+ feet homerun from the ball park that is at the sea level. it not only cleared the fences and the stands, but the net behind the bleachers to prevent balls from going into the heavy traffic of the capital city of South Korea, and my god he hit it so upper cut I thought for sure it will be a long flyball and it just kept going and going, until it was out of sight and out of the ball park. surely someone reading this post may say I am speaking with a certain level of fanboy hyperbole, but I can honestly say this was the longest, farthest, biggest arc of homerun I have ever seen. the second best was "roided" Mark McGuire hitting a homerun to the upper deck in the outfield or Billy Ashley hitting one out of the dodger stadium during batting practice, but Park's HR was majestic...I know somebody already paid nearly 13 million on posting fees and that would become the second most posting fee paid to an asian proball position player since Ichiro. he has had a back to back 50 + HRs seasons in a league that only plays 140 games, ans had more than 140 RBIs last season I believe. if we can flip Adrian for an asset and we go out and get this guy, I would not be upset one bit. Ryu will finally have someone to talk to comfortably in the dugout for a change and that alone is a huge plus. he will come cheap compared to alternatives on first. 25 million for 5 years? if he is given a full season load of at bats, I fully expect him to jack up 30 HRs a season for sure. Kang was the lesser hitter in Nexen Heroes lineup and in his limited a bats, he got a teens number of HRs and given a full season at bats, Kang was about to reach 25-30 range easily for the bucs this year. love him.

now having said all that, it doesn't mean Park won't come without a learning curve. the Japan Series MVP DaeHo Lee (south korean player from Lotte Giants who played in japan for the last 4 seasons) is a much more polished player who will probably come without such potential learning curve, but I believe he has a less ceiling knowing his age (mid 30's) and he has never hit as many HRs as Park at any level, and his most productive back to back season's HR total comes in at 2/3 of Park's numbers. Park's power is real and legit, Lee's veteran savvy is real and legit. but Park is 4 years younger and I don't believe he has hit his peak just yet. if left in South Korea and as his team is moving to a dome stadium by Han RIver, he has a 60 + HR season left in him in KBO. I think that could translate into 35+ HR season playing in NLW. If Park isn't going to be a dodger, I would love to see what he can do if he was playing in Coors. I can easily see him lead the league in HRs in next 2 seasons. he is that powerful. just not sure how quickly he can adjust to ML pitching. but he is a dead eye fast ball hitter.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#58 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:10 pm

thank you for the scouting report on him Neddy.


Looks like we've interview Dave Martinez.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#59 » by Neddy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:02 am

well that is just another fruitless mental exercise which is now meaningless. Park is gonna be a Twin. :noway:

what a twist of fate. Park had a terrible time as a twin, that is the LG Twins of KBO. he took advantage of the chance to jump the ship and joined the most obscure team in Seoul ( the capital city Seoul has 3 pro baseball teams just like Tokyo in NPB) and became a hero (for the Nexen Heroes, but pun is well intended and fitting) and now he must become the most dreaded and loathed "Twin" once again to start his American journey.

LMAO is all I gotta say.
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Christmas Coming Early for QuakeGriffin? 

Post#60 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:04 am

Quake Griffin wrote:5) Surprised you guys are so content with Corey Seager at SS. I want an elite glove there. There's no doubt in my mind over 162 that he will produce more for us at a less strenuous position if we move him to 3rd.


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Maybe groundwork for a deal was previously laid during the Hector Olivera trade talks. Also, don't forget the Dodgers initially inquired about Simmons before being told he was off-limits and settling for Peraza and Wood. With the Giant and Padres reportedly not yet deep into discussions, that leaves the Dodgers, Rockies, and Diamondbacks. While the Rockies have a need to replace the departed Tulowitzki and the D-Backs need everything, the Dodgers have the better collection of prospects and have engaged in previous discussions.

Also, everyone on the Reds is reportedly available in trade including Aroldis Chapman. I'm concerned about the cost but Jake McGee also looks to be an expensive trade pursuit. The market for relievers looks to be hot given the dearth of available quality in the free agent market. Speaking of which, the Dodgers are in on Darren O'Day who is drawing a ton of interest from other teams including the Royals, the championship team that already has the best bullpen in the majors.


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