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Greinke, Price, Turner, and Managerial Search 

Post#61 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:26 am

Glad to hear further confirmation that the Dodgers are eyeing Greinke and Price, though I'd prefer that they sign both, not one or the other. I'm concerned with Turner's microfracture procedure as it seems that both NBA and MLB players have taken a long time to fully recover from that over the years, which may explain the interest in Daniel Murphy and Chase Utley. I'd pass on Murphy given his pricetag and age. If we were going to go for him, then why not just go after Ben Zobrist? I'd rather just bring back Utley as our LH-batting utility man on a more economical deal. Also, we have Peraza and **** for both 2B and CF. Turner's health may have also pushed the Dodgers to restart talks with Atlanta for Andrelton Simmons.

Seems like the Dodgers have already narrowed the field in the managerial search. I suspect the final candidates will be Gabe Kapler, Dave Martinez, Dave Roberts, and maybe Bud Black. I hope Tim Wallach is also a finalist but he seems resigned to following Mattingly to Miami.

Also, I'd rather not sign Ian Kennedy even if I don't really have anything against him personally. Like I've said before, we should go after big-names this offseason as we have plenty of viable internal mid-rotation pitchers who should get consideration for the rotation.


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The Dodgers are targeting their own free agent Zack Greinke as their top starting pitching target, with David Price viewed as a very close second choice, a worthy fallback option indeed who could get $200 million, or more. The odds are that LA, with its seemingly limitless coffers, will reel in one of the top two free-agent pitchers, but if say the rival Giants and Cubs win those two pitchers' services, the Dodgers may not necessarily opt for the next highest-priced pitching talents on the market.

It should come as no surprise Greinke is their No. 1 option, as he did post a league-best 1.66 ERA for them, while Price is a natural second choice considering his own superb resume and strong connection to Andrew Friedman, LA's president of baseball operations. For now, at least, they seem almost totally focused on those top two, though they are looking at a few of the other pitchers but won't necessarily just look to take the next biggest name available.

Aiming high makes perfect sense for the $300-million team that's built to win. And so do their intentions at second base, where they are considering Daniel Murphy and a return of Chase Utley as a couple of the main options.
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Whoever does get the gig should inherit an excellent team, and perhaps the NL favorite if they either return Greinke to the fold, or import Price. They are looking at some of the other pitchers, as well, with Ian Kennedy a possible mid-rotation option for them. But Greinke and Price are the main game for now.

Inside Baseball: Dodgers Eye Greinke, Price, Murphy, Utley; More MLB Notes


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Gold Gloves and Regrettable Moves 

Post#62 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:05 am

Hey, I like ****, Barnes, and Hatcher but it's safe to say that trading Dee Gordon was not a smart move. It's not just hindsight since my preference was to keep him, but I gave our new front office the benefit of the doubt. However, even then, I hated that we dealt Andrew Heaney away for 1 year of Howie Kendrick regardless of the accompanying draft pick compensation tied to a qualifying offer.

In the end, we traded Dee away because of concerns over his glove and consistency with the bat. He only went on to win the batting title and a Gold Glove for the season immediately to follow. Not only that, he led the league in stolen bases as well, which is particularly pertinent given our lacking base-running and base-stealing prowess this past season.

Obviously, Friedman made the call to trade him so he was the one likely pushing for it based on his sabermetric readings, but at least there were dissenting voices of reason within the Dodgers' organization. Hopefully next time, Friedman & Co. will give more weight in their opinions.


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"We're obviously really happy with the guys that we got," Zaidi said. "It was about filling the position, which we were able to do with Howie, and also creating some depth at some other spots, getting some guys that are going to part of this club for the next several years."

Gordon won't be a free agent for three more years. He also did more than lead the NL in hitting and stolen bases. Viewed by the Dodgers office as a defensive liability, he won a Gold Glove at second base.

"Trading away a guy is not an indictment of that player," Zaidi said. "A lot of time it's need for need."
...

"I would say he exceeded our expectations," Zaidi said. "I think he exceeded everybody's expectations. That's a testament to him and his work ethic and his ability to improve. There were definitely people in our organization that felt like he had shown that ability to improve."

And who were these voices of reason?

"We'll keep that behind closed doors," Zaidi said with a smile.

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Positive Residual Tweets Regarding O'Day & Simmons 

Post#63 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:56 am

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#64 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:11 am

Dee Gordon is an overrated player imo. I don't miss him. I like THAT deal. Andrew Heaney turned out to be a stud. We actually WON that deal….and I believe over the years, **** and Barnes will give us more reasons to feel like we won that deal.

Heaney for Howie is a diff story….and that one just leaves you shaken your head.


Glad to see we might be in on Simba.
$300 million team that can't even put an elite defense on this field. It's a crying shame. In the run prevention era, it's unacceptable.
I don't think this needs to be a final move and IMO, there are still ways to get better on offense even though we could be adding an SS who can't hit. But IMO, if this team doesnt move towards run prevention, we can never fully remove ourselves from Ned Colletti's final years.

Notes:
1) saw McGwire could be headed to AZ. Who would you want for hitting coach?
2) Please stay away from Daniel Murphy please…can't believe we've been linked to him.
3) Puig could go a long way to getting a Simmons…but it looks like asking him to lose weight is giving him a little vote of confidence that he will be a Dodger.
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Infield Construction and Hitting Instruction 

Post#65 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:53 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Dee Gordon is an overrated player imo. I don't miss him. I like THAT deal. Andrew Heaney turned out to be a stud. We actually WON that deal….and I believe over the years, **** and Barnes will give us more reasons to feel like we won that deal.

Heaney for Howie is a diff story….and that one just leaves you shaken your head.


Glad to see we might be in on Simba.
$300 million team that can't even put an elite defense on this field. It's a crying shame. In the run prevention era, it's unacceptable.
I don't think this needs to be a final move and IMO, there are still ways to get better on offense even though we could be adding an SS who can't hit. But IMO, if this team doesnt move towards run prevention, we can never fully remove ourselves from Ned Colletti's final years.

Notes:
1) saw McGwire could be headed to AZ. Who would you want for hitting coach?
2) Please stay away from Daniel Murphy please…can't believe we've been linked to him.
3) Puig could go a long way to getting a Simmons…but it looks like asking him to lose weight is giving him a little vote of confidence that he will be a Dodger.


I totally agree about trading Heaney for Howie as that didn't really make sense in a vacuum. The organization justified it by saying that they viewed the Dee Gordon deals as a whole rather than separate transactions. I wasn't that high on Heaney until after he left, but I couldn't accept trading away a top-rated left-handed pitching prospect for a 1-year rental of a vet.

I'll have to disagree with you about Gordon. He embodied a lot of what I liked in a baseball player: full of enthusiasm, energy, speed, athleticism, and hitting ability. He needed to continue to improve on his consistency but he is still a young player who was an exciting presence for us in disrupting the opposing pitchers' attention on the basepaths. Friedman wrote him off too soon without giving him a chance. Now he's a 2-time All-Star, Gold Glove 2B, and batting leader as well as 2-time top thief of bases. Keeping Heaney would have made the deal more palatable since, like I said, I like all the players we received, but it was still a deal that hurt us in hindsight. Kendrick had one of the worst fielding seasons of his career. We now have Peraza but he was hurt and we've sorely missed Flash Gordon's speed on the basepaths and top-of-the-order table-setting, which has been exacerbated by our ineptitude with timely hitting.

1) I'm fine with McGwire going to the D-Bags to join up with Dave Stewart and now Matt Williams. I mentioned Marlon Byrd previously given the praise he's gotten from Justin Turner and Phil Rogers, but he's still trying to hold on as a player and would need seasoning in the minors as a hitting coach. Other than that, I'm not aware of any available names who sound appealing.

2) Ditto.

3) Puig is being speculated by some other random guy too but I haven't seen any reputable source linking him to the Simmons deal. However, it does make some sense given Atlanta's penchant for Cuban players now. Personally, I'd rather deal Puig to Miami to get Dee back, however, I'm still not inclined to sell low on Yasiel just yet.

I'm only concerned that we may be considering to include Jose De Leon or Jharel Cotton in order to get Simmons. I'd prefer to deal Grant Holmes and/or Chris Anderson along with a mix of Zach Lee, Joe Wieland, Carlos Frias, and Mike Bolsinger. If possible, hold onto Holmes as I'd like to try to develop him as a closer along the lines of Eric Gagne but he's not a deal-breaker. I'm really liking the comparisons of Simmons to a young Ozzie Smith and there is reasonable hope for improvement from his bat.
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Chapman Trade Coming and Update on Simmons Situation 

Post#66 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:05 pm

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Simmons Traded to Angels 

Post#67 » by Ranma » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:58 am

Jose DeLeon is arguably better than Newcomb while Grant Holmes seems like a closer equivalent. Actually, Newcomb is currently ranked 19th overall in MlB.com Top 100 Prospects rankings with DeLeon 23rd while Holmes is 58th. Call me biased, but I'd rather have DeLeon. You know who would have been a nice centerpiece for an offer? Andrew Heaney, who I think is also better than Newcomb. Aybar shouldn't be that hard to match. Ellis also seems like a project as a prospect as well. Atlanta must have been asking for the moon from us just like they did the Mets when they asked for Matt Harvey or Jacob deGrom. I got to admit that I find myself really disappointed in missing out on the modern day Ozzie Smith.

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Slump-Bustin' with Gracie 

Post#68 » by Ranma » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:43 am

Quake Griffin wrote:1) saw McGwire could be headed to AZ. Who would you want for hitting coach?


I don't know who the other two guys are besides McGwire, but I've always wanted Mark Grace on our coaching staff. Being the next hitting coach sounds like a great fit given his prolific career as a hitter, but I'm not sure how good of a teacher he is. He has been known to be an affable clubhouse personality, though. Plus, I love his notorious slump-buster quote. His prescribed remedy might be enough to scare the Dodger hitters straight to avoid slumps in the 1st place.

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#69 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:36 am

Been at a funeral all day…phone died.

So I'm just now getting this news.
All I can say is that Im very disappointed in missing out on Simmons.

Even though I know the Braves would probably hold us over for more than they got from the Angels.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#70 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:39 pm

And Dee Gordon is overrated.

lead the league in SBs but posted a 0.8 UBR. That's league average.
He had more SBs last year (the most in the game) and posted a 3.2 UBR.
Fangraphs has a good UBR at 4.
As opposed to a player that I like, like Anthony Rendon who posted a UBR of 5 in 2014….he was hurt last year.

He has a completely unsustainable BABIP and has never posted a BABIP like that at any other point in his career. Why does that matter? Because his OBP is only .30 ahead of his BA. He's the same guy who hits his way on to base and I doubt it stays like that for years to come.


The only thing that impressed me about him last year was the fact that he graded out well defensively….but as anybody who follows these metrics knows, you need more than one year of data to call someone a good defender by the advanced metrics.


He came up small for us in the playoffs.
Both Howie and **** had more hits individually in the NLDS than Dee had against the Cardinals last year.
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Brett Anderson Accepts Qualifying Offer 

Post#71 » by Ranma » Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:30 pm

Interesting stats about Gordon being similar to Juan Pierre. However, like I said, he was still young and was just starting to finally improve his game after being the top prospect in the organization for years. He can still learn patience at the plate to draw walks. If we're hoping for more discipline from Joc and Puig, then why not Dee? Friedman just valued consistency over upside on Dee and, like Zaidi said, there were still some in the organization who thought that he still had upside. He had a historically great season for an MLB infielder.

In any case, our rotation just got another starter back with Brett Anderson's acceptance of the qualifying offer. I would have preferred the draft pick, but I'm not mad that he's coming back on a 1-year deal.

Also, I'm quite surprised that Dave Martinez is not among the finalists for the Dodgers' managerial opening, especially with Erstad and Black still in the fold.


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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#72 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:03 am

you can improve on your overall hitting, you can gain power as a batter. but you rarely ever improve your tendencies of taking patient at bats. Dee is Juan. neither one can get on base unless they make a hit. he won the batting title at .333. his OBP was .359. if he hits .275, his OBP will be around .301. with his speed, he did manage 8 triples this year but he only was able to muster 24 doubles which I believe is his career high. Andre Ethier in his career averaged 34 doubles alone per season and he had 7 triples this season. I am happy for Dee but I believe he out performed his actual talent level. I don't see him repeating this years performance next year.

in comparison, Joc Pederson recorded .210 BA. but he still managed .346 OBP. that is whopping .136 points higher in OBP above his BA. this particular trait will not change anytime soon and if Joc just figures out to become a .250 to.265 hitter, his OBP will be near .400. with his slugging, this means we will have a .800+ OPS guy soon. Dee in his what I consider his best season in his career ever will be, measured at .776 OPS. with all the fancy awards he won this year, he is still just a slightly above average player.

anywho, I guess I am repeating myself here but historically speaking, it is more likely a young batsman who batted .210 in his first full season will figure out to become at least .250 or better batsman than a guy in his 4th season to improve on +.025 OBP from his BA ever.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#73 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:15 am

BTW, I figured Brett would take the offer. now we at least have Wood and Anderson's healthy bodies behind Kershaw. Assuming we will get at least one of Greinke/Price if not both, that leaves only one spot available and between healthy Magic Mike and soon to return Ryu and McCarthy, I would think that our rotation should be rather formidable. if Ryu is 100% or close to it, we will have a trio of playoff ready starters.
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Erstad Drops Out, Kimbrel Traded 

Post#74 » by Ranma » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:12 am

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The Incredible Hyun-Jin 

Post#75 » by Ranma » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:36 am

And here I was concerned about his weight and conditioning. Wow!

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Re: The Incredible Hyun-Jin 

Post#76 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:14 am

Ranma wrote:And here I was concerned about his weight and conditioning. Wow!

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I knew he was working out, but DAMN!
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#77 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:17 am

I honestly respect both of you but IDGAF and I'm trying to be aggressive and take risks.

Freddie Freeman is available and is 7 years younger than Adrian Gonzalez.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#78 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:57 am

Quake Griffin wrote:I honestly respect both of you but IDGAF and I'm trying to be aggressive and take risks.

Freddie Freeman is available and is 7 years younger than Adrian Gonzalez.


oh I would take freedie in a heart beat. he is not only younger and have a decent power (not Gonzo power) but he gets on base about .100 better than his BA. Freddie would make a great SABR #2 hitter in any lineup.

the problem is, where do we trade Gonzo and for whom? or more likely, how much of his salary do we have to pay up to, to get rid of him? if so, how much is it worth to replace him versus the increased salary burden (assuming we are paying a chunk of Gonzo's salary to trade him while taking on equally expensive contract of Freddie?

Gonzo is a career .860 OPS hitter. his power is slowly coming back since his shoulder surgery.

Freddie is a career .830 OPS hitter. his best HRs per season was 3 years ago.

trust me, I love his OBP. but good first basemen are dime a dozen. we even have SVS who can play first, or as you suggested, to move Justin Turner and his near .880 OPS as a dodger to first bag.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#79 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:19 pm

I'm expecting Adrian to fall off a cliff somewhere in these next 2 years and even if I'm wrong there, there's no problem with getting younger. I thought in the Mets series he got too easily overpowered and managed to hit when we got into the bullpen. You guys can fact check me there if you'd like, that's just what I remember. I still think FF has another .897 OPS season in him and at his floor I think he'll be the .840 OPS hitter he's been the last 2 years, something Adrian hasnt touched in years.

Depends on whether or not money is an object to the Dodgers and if that cost is just being passed to the fans
I'd anywhere from half to all of Adrian's deal in order to try and get a legit prospect back for him? Package him?
There's a couple of teams that can use a 1B that could give us a young prospect/ cost controlled player in return.



Also. I'm a little disappointed in Erstad.
What was his play here in interviewing for the job? To get his name out there for the Anaheim job should it ever be available?
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#80 » by Neddy » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:05 am

Quake Griffin wrote:I'm expecting Adrian to fall off a cliff somewhere in these next 2 years and even if I'm wrong there, there's no problem with getting younger. I thought in the Mets series he got too easily overpowered and managed to hit when we got into the bullpen. You guys can fact check me there if you'd like, that's just what I remember. I still think FF has another .897 OPS season in him and at his floor I think he'll be the .840 OPS hitter he's been the last 2 years, something Adrian hasnt touched in years.

Depends on whether or not money is an object to the Dodgers and if that cost is just being passed to the fans
I'd anywhere from half to all of Adrian's deal in order to try and get a legit prospect back for him? Package him?
There's a couple of teams that can use a 1B that could give us a young prospect/ cost controlled player in return.



Also. I'm a little disappointed in Erstad.
What was his play here in interviewing for the job? To get his name out there for the Anaheim job should it ever be available?


well you do have a point, which Branch Rickey also spoke about... "It is better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late" and he will be 34 next season and have 3 more years to go. but since his shoulder surgery in 2010 October, he actually came in blazing for his new team the RedSox and posted something just above .950 OPS, then his stats dropped significantly. it is highly unlikely that a major surgery for a baseball player like torn labrum repair job allows the player to hit his career numbers just months after the surgery was performed then drop off the planet because of the complications from the surgery. to me, it appears that Gonzo probably dabbled with PED after getting traded to Boston from San Diego to justify his lucrative new contract to the homefans, and ended up hurting himself more. the fact that he was hitting linedrives to all gaps while keeping his HR numbers relatively close to what was expected, he was over compensating his lost power with (no evidence other than circumstantial) PED use and his shear will. then the wheels fell off. but since 2012 and the worst numbers of his career power wise, he has changed his approach to the plate, compensating his lost power with pulling the pitch to the right, a natural progression if you are not relying on PED (again, no proof but just a hunch) and I believe his shoulder is finally coming around to full strength as of late. the problem is, as you have mentioned already, its his father time catching up with him. but I still love his quiet leadership and the dodgers know just what kind of a marketing machine he is to LA's fanbase. Freddie is a good player and may even surpass Gonzo this next season, but I just don't see the dodger brass making that change. Marketing of course is huge and his production is also big, but little things such as being a calm presence and a bridge between Latin players and American players ( as well as other international players according to pictures of Ryu and Gonzo sharing private dinner with their families) and for this often perceived to be a fractured locker room, I think he is worth risking decline in the next three years.

but here is one suggestion. even if Gonzo's departure brings nothing else in return, I would do it if we can get Carl Crawford off the books along with him. I would do it in a heartbeat. getting rid of 40 million off the books and get Carl outta LA, and IF this takes Gonzo leaving too (which I highly doubt as nobody is stupid enough to take on 42 million a year for these two) it would only work out to open up more playing time for SVS in both 1B and OF, **** for the same logic, and Turner can have some games at 1b.

having said all that, I was supposed to go to two weddings today but got sick then while home alone got drunk, which is making my misery and clear head even that much harder to gain, so take my speech with a grain of salt.

oh and as for Erstad, that is understandable. the University of Nebraska probably gave him a call saying "do we need to replace you and if so, we will start looking as soon as this phone conversation is over" and Darin probably knew his shot of winning the dodger managerial job was least likely for him among the last 4 candidates. he probably did the right thing. I see Bud Black as our manager, Dave Roberts as his bench coach and the next in line (sorta like Joe Torre and Mattingly) and Gabe to return back to being the farm director. but I would personally like to see Gabe as the manager, Bud as his bench coach and Dave as our 1st base coach. reasons are simple. Gabe understands SABR and is open to new ideas. it is important to have the leader to is flexible, but Bud can call the bullpen like nobody else's business and he should have Gabe's full attention in that department. Dave was an amazing and cerebral baserunner and after losing Manny Mota, who better to man that job than Dave? IF Bud is the manager, Im sure our bullpen usage won't change much if he was our bench coach instead, but ability to listen and input new ideas on the offensive, and defensive side of the game will suffer with his stubbornness. Dave would also make a great manager but I just dont see him reversing the pecking order he had with Bud in SD.
ehhhhh f it.

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