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MLB Aiming to Minimize Dodgers' Advantage 

Post#261 » by Ranma » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:40 am

Ken Rosenthal, FoxSports.com (6/21/16)
"The system allows teams to spend what they spend -- that's the first point," Manfred said. "But the most important point from our perspective is that when you see that kind of disparity in any part of the system, it generally suggests to us that the system is not functioning in a way that promotes competitive balance.

"Rest assured, we're going to be making proposals to address that."
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An international draft, though, will be difficult to implement for a variety of reasons, including the fact that different countries follow different rules for allowing players to join major-league organizations.

Manfred declined comment on any specific proposals, including the international draft.
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"Everyone focuses on major-league payroll, but it's everywhere," a second official from a low-revenue club said, referring to the advantages enjoyed by the Dodgers and other high-revenue clubs. "They can spend more on international, more on their front offices."

The international bonus limits, intended to create a drag on spending, obviously did not deter the Dodgers. Nor are they discouraging other clubs -- the Braves, Nationals and Padres are among the teams that reportedly will bust their budgets in the signing period that begins July 2, though not by nearly as much as the Dodgers.

The challenge for baseball is devising a fair system for all, and low-revenue teams are not optimistic that it will happen.

"Baseball will close this loophole," the official said, "and another one will open up."

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Yuli at Dodger Stadium (Hat Tip to Quake Griffin) 

Post#262 » by Ranma » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:26 am

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The Dodgers held a private workout for free agent Cuban infielder Yulieski Gurriel today, according to a source, and Gurriel posted a photo of himself at Dodger Stadium on his Instagram account. The 32-year-old infielder [url=
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MLBtraderumors.com reports that a four-year, $40-44 million contract “seems like a fair estimate” of Gurriel’s floor — in other words, a bidding war would surely increase the money or term needed to sign him.

Source: Free Agent Infielder Yulieski Gurriel Works Out at Dodger Stadium.
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Re: Draft/ International Signing Day? 

Post#263 » by Quake Griffin » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:19 pm

You got any word on Sheffield?
Should I be concerned?
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What's the Hold Up with Jordan Sheffield? (UPDATED) 

Post#264 » by Ranma » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:04 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:You got any word on Sheffield?
Should I be concerned?


I was also curious why Jordan Sheffield hasn't signed yet. He technically has 2 years of eligibility left, but it's not anticipated that he'll go back to school. His prospect profile won't be helped much, if at all, by going into next year's draft class and waiting 2 more years makes even less sense given his recovery from TJS.

I don't see any updates on progress of his signing but I'm not quite worried just yet. I think he'll sign for over slot or at slot, but hopefully, that will still leave room to also sign both Alexy and Ashcroft. I've only heard of 2 of our very late-round picks committing to going back to school. Don't fret just yet.


Update: Alexy just signed for quite a bit over slot amount.
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Yuli Visits Mets, Looked Better in Dodgers Gear 

Post#265 » by Ranma » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:57 pm

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Re: Draft/ International Signing Day? 

Post#266 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:17 pm

The Mets really need his bat. Wright is looking like he is on his last legs. Murphy bolted for WAS. I could see them being aggressive in a bidding war for him.

But man an acquisition like him would be great....adding a bat without sending anything out...and if the rumors are true, then little bro will want to be wherever he signs too.
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Badler Talks Lourdes & Yulieski 

Post#267 » by Ranma » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:44 pm

I doubt the Mets would outbid us for Yulieski if we were interested even if they are desperate. Yeah, the Mets definitely need Yuli's services more than we do but we're not going to do them any favors. I just have doubts that they'll invest in a competitive bid for such a short-term solution. Even if we miss out on Yuli for some reason, my main target has always been Lourdes, Jr. so if we have to only get one, Tito would be my preferred choice by far.

Badler just joined Massey and Nosler on a podcast to discuss international prospects. He described Yulieski as a player that most MLB teams have little doubt possesses a potentially high-impact bat. Yuli is more talented than Hector Olivera was when we signed him and has less injury concerns despite being a couple of years older during their respective eligibilities.

Some scouts apparently have cooled on Tito based on viewings during international tournaments, but Badler defends him saying that he should be viewed based on his performance in Cuba implying that he deferred to veterans during international tournaments. Case in point, Badler thinks Lourdes, Jr. should play in the infield based on his actions even though he's capable of playing some outfield when he defers to Cuban veterans playing at their natural positions. Badler thinks Tito's best position is 3B but it also happens to be Yuli's best position. He goes on to say that Tito may be a little stretched at SS due to a shorter range despite a strong arm, an internal clock for the position, and the smooth actions. I still think he's better than Seager at that position.

While Yulieski is seen as MLB ready after some brief time in the minors to adjust, Lourdes, Jr. is not quite ready and likely headed to AA or AAA once he signs. I'd actually consider him as our best prospect in the system behind Urias at this point if we signed him. Yuli is the more accomplished and safer bet, but I just like Tito's youth and versatility along with his enthusiasm for playing.


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Post#268 » by Ranma » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:17 pm

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Yeah, the Dodgers spent a little bit of money on international free agents last year. They got Yadier Alvarez ($16 million), Yusniel Diaz ($15.5 million), Omar Estevez ($6 million) and Yordan Alvarez ($2 million) from Cuba, plus Starling Heredia ($2.6 million) and Ronny Brito ($2 million) from the Dominican Republic, among others.

They can still sign Cuban players who are exempt from the bonus pools without any restrictions, but for players who fall under the pools, they can’t give anyone more than $300,000. They are in good hands there in their first July 2 under Ismael Cruz, who comes from the Blue Jays after working for the Mets and has one of the best track records in the game. One player the Dodgers have been linked to is Dominican shortstop Albert Suarez, a lefthanded hitter who stands out more for his baseball skills than his raw tools.

1. Yulieski Gourriel, 3b, Industriales
Age: 30. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 196.
Certainty Level: Category 5 (Very High).
Gourriel has been a star in Cuba for more than a decade. He debuted in Serie Nacional as a 17-year-old and winning MVP awards at age 20 and 21 in the 2004-05 and 2005-06 seasons. A veteran of the Cuban national team, Gourriel ranked as the No. 1 player in Cuba entering the 2014-15 season in August and retains that top spot thanks to a well-rounded skill set. After a strong summer with the Yomiuri Giants in Japan, Gourriel took time off early in the Serie Nacional season when he returned to Cuba. When he was back on the field, he was still one of the most productive players in Serie Nacional.

Gourriel has all the attributes to be an above-average offensive player. He has plus bat speed and squares up all types of pitches with good hand-eye coordination and barrel control. He wraps his barrel behind his head, angling the bat toward the pitcher, but he gets the barrel into the hitting zone quickly and has good plate coverage. He stays within the strike zone and uses the whole field, and with plus raw power on the 20-80 scale, he offers a balance of being able to hit for average, get on base and hit for power.

4. Lourdes Gourriel, ss, Industriales
Age: 21. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 185.
Certainty Level: Category 5 (Very High).
Lourdes Gourriel Sr. was a star in Serie Nacional and the Cuban national team from the mid-70s to the early-90s, then spent time as a manager in Serie Nacional and coach on the Cuban national team. Gourriel has three sons, with middle brother Yulieski the No. 1 player in Cuba, and now the youngest brother, Lourdes Jr., emerging as one of the league’s premier talents. There has been talk about Lourdes Jr. for years, as he hit .308/.396/.484 in 107 plate appearances in Cuba’s 18U national league in 2010 and teamed with Jorge Soler at the 18U World Championship in Canada in 2010. Gourriel’s performance is now starting to match his potential after a breakout 2014-15 season, though scouts haven’t been able to get many in-person looks since he played sparingly at the Central American and Caribbean Games in Mexico in November and didn’t play at all during the Caribbean Series in Puerto Rico in February. He missed some time during the second half of the season due to injury, reportedly to his right hand.

Gourriel is a smart hitter with a chance to get on base at a high clip and drive the ball for power. He improved his balance at the plate this past season, keeping his hands inside the ball well for someone with his long arms with a fluid swing. Gourriel has plenty of bat speed to catch up to good fastballs and the plate coverage to make frequent contact. He can have trouble at times against slow breaking balls, but he has good strike-zone discipline and a patient approach, giving him a chance to be a plus hitter with a high OBP. Gourriel flashes above-average raw power with the swing path to generate backspin and leverage the ball for loft in games, making him a 20-homer threat.

While he’s spent time at third base and in left field, Gourriel emerged this past season as the everyday Industriales shortstop, giving the team an all Gourriel left side of the infield. Gourriel’s athleticism and impressive body control for his size allow him to handle the position in Serie Nacional. He’s an average runner, gets good reads off the bat and has a plus arm. Gourriel has good infield actions but was the most error-prone shortstop in Cuba this past season, which should improve with better decision-making on throws. His range is fringy for a major league shortstop, and as he fills out his frame, he would likely fit better in the big leagues at third base, where he could be a plus defender.

Though he’s not quite as advanced right now as Jose Fernandez, who is one spot ahead of him on this list, Gourriel’s power and defense give him more upside. Gourriel’s game is comparable to a young Ryan Zimmerman, a three-year starting shortstop in college at Virginia. While he’s not major league ready quite yet, he isn’t far off, and could likely handle a Double-A or possibly a Triple-A assignment. Presuming he stays in Cuba, Gourriel should carry a more prominent role on the national team going forward, possibly as the team’s shortstop, though he could play multiple positions for that club. Since Gourriel debuted in Serie Nacional as a 16-year-old, he already has five seasons of experience, which means he will be exempt from the bonus pools when he turns 23 on Oct. 19, 2016.

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Re: Draft/ International Signing Day? 

Post#269 » by Neddy » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:50 am

didn't they want to play together? signing Yuli may give us an upper hand at grabbing Tito too, no?
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Brotherly Love 

Post#270 » by Ranma » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:59 am

Neddy wrote:didn't they want to play together? signing Yuli may give us an upper hand at grabbing Tito too, no?


Yeah. They've gone on record to say that they would love to play together, but stated that they are willing to play apart on different teams if that's the path given to them in order to play in MLB. I suspect their agent told them to say this in order to use in negotiations so that the teams that don't sign Yulieski won't think they don't have a chance at Lourdes, Jr. while also keeping the team that signs Yuli honest so as not to think they can get Tito cheaper because of the fact that they want to play together.

I certainly think that the team that signs Yulieski would have the upper hand in getting Lourdes, Jr. However, if the Dodgers don't sign Yuli for whatever reason, I think our pocket book would allow us to significantly outbid Yuli's team enough to sign Tito. Still, the best course of action is to sign both and not risk missing out on either.
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Hammer to Drop on Red Sox? 

Post#271 » by Ranma » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:13 am

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Re: Hammer to Drop on Red Sox? 

Post#272 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Jul 1, 2016 5:02 am

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Will we be able to go after any of them?
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MLB Striking on Behalf of Small-Market Teams 

Post#273 » by Ranma » Fri Jul 1, 2016 5:16 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Will we be able to go after any of them?


I would think so, but not for more than the $300,000 restriction we're currently under. I know what you're thinking: since those prospects were signed by the Red Sox during the 2015 signing period when we weren't bound by the current restrictions, we should be able to sign them without monetary restrictions other than the tax, right?

That would be the argument I would make, but I don't see MLB operating that way. The whole point was to punish a big-money club from taking advantage of the system even more than they are already allowed to. Penalizing the Red Sox only to have the Dodgers scoop them up would be much ado about nothing for the other owners. I suspect this was done to give the small-market teams more of an opportunity to go after these prospects that they've been priced out of. Plus, MLB would probably want to punish the players and their agents for agreeing to these arrangements, so having them wait a year to officially sign with the smaller-market teams at presumably lower prices also does that.
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Boston Red Sox Lose from 2015 and 2016 Haul 

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Billy Beane Set to Sign Lazarito for Around $3 Million 

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Re: Draft/ International Signing Day? 

Post#276 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:37 pm

Braves have a class centered around Maitan.
Padres centered around Almanzar.

Who is getting Vlad?
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Re: Draft/ International Signing Day? 

Post#277 » by Ranma » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:11 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Braves have a class centered around Maitan.
Padres centered around Almanzar.

Who is getting Vlad?
Wth


Haven't heard any teams connected to Gutierrez recently, but it doesn't look like he'll be signing today. Plus, MLB baseball has apparently imposed a moratorium on the prospects the Red Sox just lost in order to penalize the agents involved in the cap-circumvention scheme. OF Albert Guaimaro was the only notable name listed in terms of international rankings (18th in 2015) according to Jesse Sanchez's article for MLB.com.

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Dodgers Sign SS Albert Suarez 

Post#278 » by Ranma » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:49 pm

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Suarez signed for a reported $300,000. The Dodgers have $2,118,900 to spend during this period, but they cannot spend more than $300,000 on any prospect. For context, they signed Damaso Marte, Jr., for $300,000 last period. That’s about the quality of prospect you’re looking at for $300,000 and less. But there have been some cheap international signings who have gone on to be be quality MLB player.

The Dodgers signed Rubby De La Rosa for $15,000 in 2007. He ascended the minor-league ladder and put himself on the prospect map. And while he didn’t contribute a lot to the Dodgers, he was a key piece in the Nick Punto trade (probably the key piece).

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Re: Draft/ International Signing Day? 

Post#279 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:26 pm

I'm sorry. Looking at the classes that have been put together this year, I'm very happy with our haul last year and glad we made 2015 the year we went over.
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Dodging Another Bullet 

Post#280 » by Ranma » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:23 am

I'm so glad we didn't sign this headcase. Yeah, he's been through a lot but so have other international prospects. The Dodgers actually offered more money only for him to go with the D-backs instead with a better opportunity to be fast-tracked to the majors. I was never high on him to begin with.

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