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Post#21 » by jbk1234 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:00 am

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toooskies wrote:Yeah, really kept us from winning by 40...


I mean our bench, or more specifically, K. Love won that game for us. But Cedi and Love shooting from range like that isn't scalable. I know LeVert going 3 for 4 from 3 isn't something you want to bank on (his FG% from the rest of the floor was awful). The Bulls basically played a box and one against that starting unit and it took a Herculean performance from Mitchell just to get points out of the entire starting unit.

Allen and Mobley are legitimate two-way players but they need room to operate. You let the other team off the hook when you allow them stack 4 defenders in the paint.


It's not even an issue since Garland is coming back to the starting lineup when he gets healthy, but you can survive with bad spacing. It's really not the end of the world, and taking shooting away from the bench might make it much less effective-- the bench needs great spacing because the defense is bound to struggle.

The most positive thing was 32 assists despite DG being out. But all the starters save for Okoro had a positive +/- out there. And that's more on Okoro overall. He's been struggling offensively in every lineup so far.


In a game we won by 32 (it was closer to 20 before the Bulls raised the white flag) I would hope all our starters were positive. But Allen and Mobley had very meh +/- numbers for a game with that margin (Love was +27 and Cedi was +41, which again isn't scalable IMO).

Love and some combination of Neto/Cedi can provide spacing off the bench. You won't survive against good defensive teams with non-existent spacing in your starting unit.

Also, Wade didn't even play until garbage time so it's not like we saved his spacing for the second unit.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: Cavs at Bulls 

Post#22 » by flow » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:27 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Didn't get to watch it but looked like a thorough beat down of the Bulls.


When you have a days rest advantage of 3-to-0, it had better be a beat down.

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Re: Cavs at Bulls 

Post#23 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:19 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Didn't get to watch it but looked like a thorough beat down of the Bulls.


When you have days rest advantage of 3-to-0, it had better be a beat down.

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3 in 4 nights is a tough way to start the season, I'll admit that. However, these schedule losses that teams should automatically win are games the Cavs used to drop.

So again, I didn't get to watch it but spanking a division rival, regardless of circumstances, I'll take it.
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Re: Cavs at Bulls 

Post#24 » by JonFromVA » Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:08 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Didn't get to watch it but looked like a thorough beat down of the Bulls.


When you have a days rest advantage of 3-to-0, it had better be a beat down.

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Were not quite in that place we'd take such things for granted, especially without Garland (and yes I'm aware you guys are still missing Ball).
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Post#25 » by MTJazzv3 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:37 am

Liking what Mitchell is bringing to your team. Also liking Markkanen on the Jazz. Dude is so much better than advertised! Was he kinda meh for you guys?
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Re: Cavs at Bulls 

Post#26 » by ijspeelman » Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:07 am

MTJazzv3 wrote:Liking what Mitchell is bringing to your team. Also liking Markkanen on the Jazz. Dude is so much better than advertised! Was he kinda meh for you guys?


A lot of us here really liked him. He's currently balling out for you guys as the number 1/2 option.
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Post#27 » by MTJazzv3 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:38 am

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MTJazzv3 wrote:Liking what Mitchell is bringing to your team. Also liking Markkanen on the Jazz. Dude is so much better than advertised! Was he kinda meh for you guys?


A lot of us here really liked him. He's currently balling out for you guys as the number 1/2 option.
vibes.

He is actually our #1 option. Durant vibes. He is a 7 foot point guard, gets his by moves and shooting over everybody. Dude is on an all-star trajectory. Didn't like him on the Bulls and expected good things in CLE. But you got Mitchell, and as you see, he is a stud to say the least. You guys are looking good.
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Re: Cavs at Bulls 

Post#28 » by JonFromVA » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:11 am

MTJazzv3 wrote:
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MTJazzv3 wrote:Liking what Mitchell is bringing to your team. Also liking Markkanen on the Jazz. Dude is so much better than advertised! Was he kinda meh for you guys?


A lot of us here really liked him. He's currently balling out for you guys as the number 1/2 option.
vibes.

He is actually our #1 option. Durant vibes. He is a 7 foot point guard, gets his by moves and shooting over everybody. Dude is on an all-star trajectory. Didn't like him on the Bulls and expected good things in CLE. But you got Mitchell, and as you see, he is a stud to say the least. You guys are looking good.


Bulls fans told us he was talented, flashes at times, doesn't defend or rebound well for a PF, is inconsistent, and was injury prone. Also he bulked up too much and had lost some athleticism.


I think we saw the full gamut. Our twist was we didn't need him to be a #1 or even defend much, just use his length. Our expectations weren't unrealistic, so we were happy to see him contribute.

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