JB Bickerstaff Fired

[youngyeezy]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2024-25

I was just presented this useful tool on the GB, shows how useless jb was lol

2020: Cavs rank 27th in bench minutes

2020-21: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2021-22: Cavs rank 26th in bench minutes

2022-23: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2023-24 Cavs rank 20th in bench minutes

2024-25: Cavs rank 3rd in bench minutes

Isn't it so nice to finally have a competent head coach? I love it!

Pistons 7th after all that is insane.

[JonFromVA]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2024-25

I was just presented this useful tool on the GB, shows how useless jb was lol

2020: Cavs rank 27th in bench minutes

2020-21: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2021-22: Cavs rank 26th in bench minutes

2022-23: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2023-24 Cavs rank 20th in bench minutes

2024-25: Cavs rank 3rd in bench minutes

Isn't it so nice to finally have a competent head coach? I love it!

Bickerstaff was desperate to win games and keep his job, alas overplaying players was part of his downfall.

Pistons fans seem downright giddy with a team that is actually trying to win for a change, and I'm sure they're ecstatic that Cade is finally looking like the player they thought they drafted.

Fortunately for us, the dissatisfaction with how JBB ran things created a lot of buy in for the changes that Kenny wanted to make. On the Chase Down podcast one of the guys even mentioned things like having an Okoro setting more screens for the ball handler in the offense requires a sacrifice from an Allen or a Mobley who'd usually have been setting that screen and would have been more involved in a simpler P&R play call.

I'm just glad Kenny can think of more things for the SF in our offense to do than stand in the corner.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2024-25

I was just presented this useful tool on the GB, shows how useless jb was lol

2020: Cavs rank 27th in bench minutes

2020-21: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2021-22: Cavs rank 26th in bench minutes

2022-23: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2023-24 Cavs rank 20th in bench minutes

2024-25: Cavs rank 3rd in bench minutes

Isn't it so nice to finally have a competent head coach? I love it!

Pistons 7th after all that is insane.

Fans and the front office begged him for his entire tenure here to utilize his bench and he refused.

He goes a few miles up the road and plays 10 or 11 guys every night, mind boggling stuff.

[ijspeelman]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2024-25

I was just presented this useful tool on the GB, shows how useless jb was lol

2020: Cavs rank 27th in bench minutes

2020-21: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2021-22: Cavs rank 26th in bench minutes

2022-23: Cavs rank 28th in bench minutes

2023-24 Cavs rank 20th in bench minutes

2024-25: Cavs rank 3rd in bench minutes

Isn't it so nice to finally have a competent head coach? I love it!

I wouldn’t so much call it useless, but instead not careful with his own team’s health and/or no trust in developing anyone who can’t impact the game now. I do think our team has “more” depth than we’ve had in the past, but yeah JB could have had a lot more bench minutes.

I seldom think of JB at this point, but am happy he’s doing well in Detroit. If it weren’t for the Cavs success, he’d win COTY (and would deserve it)

[toooskies]

I'd go look at the specifics of those bench units that he didn't play before reading too much on anything. Most of those years the bench was somewhere between unproven and proven to be bad. Go back two years and see how many of our bench players are still in the NBA.

Isaac Okoro is a great reference point here. He came in starting and playing 32 minutes a game. He's gotten better in various ways but is mostly the same player. He now comes off the bench and is at the edge of the rotation, playing 19 minutes a game. (Some of that early workload is just "play the high draft pick", but compare to Ron Holland over in Detroit, a similar #5 pick in a weak draft who's playing 15mpg off the bench in Detroit.)

Never was bench quality more evident than against the Knicks in the playoffs. Rubio, Osman, Stevens, Green, Windler, Neto, Robin Lopez all on the fringes or out of the league just two years later. I'd argue the bench started getting better last year and Bickerstaff played them more, but we were so injured that our bench guys had to start over 100 games and the next row of guys weren't always ready.

[JonFromVA]

I'd go look at the specifics of those bench units that he didn't play before reading too much on anything. Most of those years the bench was somewhere between unproven and proven to be bad. Go back two years and see how many of our bench players are still in the NBA.

Isaac Okoro is a great reference point here. He came in starting and playing 32 minutes a game. He's gotten better in various ways but is mostly the same player. He now comes off the bench and is at the edge of the rotation, playing 19 minutes a game. (Some of that early workload is just "play the high draft pick", but compare to Ron Holland over in Detroit, a similar #5 pick in a weak draft who's playing 15mpg off the bench in Detroit.)

Never was bench quality more evident than against the Knicks in the playoffs. Rubio, Osman, Stevens, Green, Windler, Neto, Robin Lopez all on the fringes or out of the league just two years later. I'd argue the bench started getting better last year and Bickerstaff played them more, but we were so injured that our bench guys had to start over 100 games and the next row of guys weren't always ready.

I'd argue Bickerstaff only played the bench more because he had no choice and as soon as he got injured players back he started going back to cutting their minutes and/or playing them sporadically.

Don't you remember when we were on the 17-1 run hearing media pundits talk about how deep our bench was?

Perhaps Bickerstaff's worst sin was how he set players up to fail, rather than preparing them for what we were going to need.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'd go look at the specifics of those bench units that he didn't play before reading too much on anything. Most of those years the bench was somewhere between unproven and proven to be bad. Go back two years and see how many of our bench players are still in the NBA.

Isaac Okoro is a great reference point here. He came in starting and playing 32 minutes a game. He's gotten better in various ways but is mostly the same player. He now comes off the bench and is at the edge of the rotation, playing 19 minutes a game. (Some of that early workload is just "play the high draft pick", but compare to Ron Holland over in Detroit, a similar #5 pick in a weak draft who's playing 15mpg off the bench in Detroit.)

Never was bench quality more evident than against the Knicks in the playoffs. Rubio, Osman, Stevens, Green, Windler, Neto, Robin Lopez all on the fringes or out of the league just two years later. I'd argue the bench started getting better last year and Bickerstaff played them more, but we were so injured that our bench guys had to start over 100 games and the next row of guys weren't always ready.

I'd argue Bickerstaff only played the bench more because he had no choice and as soon as he got injured players back he started going back to cutting their minutes and/or playing them sporadically.

Don't you remember when we were on the 17-1 run hearing media pundits talk about how deep our bench was?

Perhaps Bickerstaff's worst sin was how he set players up to fail, rather than preparing them for what we were going to need.

I hated that about jb. A guy would give great minutes and production while he filled in for an injury, the injured player returns and now that guy who showed he can play in the NBA is getting DNP-CD.

I love how Kenny goes 10 deep, regardless who is healthy. It had to of been a reason he got the coaching gig.

It was just 15 short months ago that Altman burst in the locker room to chew jb out for playing 7 guys, in a game in December.