JujitsuFlip wrote:Just wanted to share some pics of our new additions from media day yesterday.

Love me some LNJ back in wine and gold
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Just wanted to share some pics of our new additions from media day yesterday.
ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Just wanted to share some pics of our new additions from media day yesterday.Spoiler:
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Love me some LNJ back in wine and gold
JujitsuFlip wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/article/cavs-training-camp-observations-jarrett-233040203.html
So, i think this is interesting. I also think it's a little bit of foreshadowing to Allen being moved if the Cavs fall short again.
It also kind of speaks to why the Cavs decided to bring in LNJ and Bryant, 2 guys who can hit from the outside and spread the floor.
As a big, you do a lot. You do a lot of movement. You do a lot of running up and down the court, and it can get tiring,” Allen added. “When you have fresh legs to be able to battle with other bigs, not give the other bigs a break, it just helps tremendously being able to pound away.”
I will say, the article also spoke about needing Allen to defend out on the perimeter and in space. Which obviously Hali was cooking him in the 2nd round but i do not believe LNJ or Bryant would do any better, in those situations, on that side of the floor.toooskies wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/article/cavs-training-camp-observations-jarrett-233040203.html
So, i think this is interesting. I also think it's a little bit of foreshadowing to Allen being moved if the Cavs fall short again.
It also kind of speaks to why the Cavs decided to bring in LNJ and Bryant, 2 guys who can hit from the outside and spread the floor.
I like this quote:As a big, you do a lot. You do a lot of movement. You do a lot of running up and down the court, and it can get tiring,” Allen added. “When you have fresh legs to be able to battle with other bigs, not give the other bigs a break, it just helps tremendously being able to pound away.”
It’s more indication that Allen’s disappearing problem has more to do with not being able to scale up his minutes in the playoffs than anything about him. The backup bigs will help him play less but with more intensity in the playoffs.
JujitsuFlip wrote:I will say, the article also spoke about needing Allen to defend out on the perimeter and in space. Which obviously Hali was cooking him in the 2nd round but i do not believe LNJ or Bryant would do any better, in those situations, on that side of the floor.
But yeah, i am genuinely shocked the Cavs actually have 2 NBA rotation bigs on their bench. Something a lot of you have been calling for since the 2023 Knicks 1st round series. It should for sure allow Allen more rest opportunities in the playoffs and throughout the RS too.
JonFromVA wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:I will say, the article also spoke about needing Allen to defend out on the perimeter and in space. Which obviously Hali was cooking him in the 2nd round but i do not believe LNJ or Bryant would do any better, in those situations, on that side of the floor.
But yeah, i am genuinely shocked the Cavs actually have 2 NBA rotation bigs on their bench. Something a lot of you have been calling for since the 2023 Knicks 1st round series. It should for sure allow Allen more rest opportunities in the playoffs and throughout the RS too.
I'd say the emphasis in that article was about Allen improving his defense on the perimeter, which certainly there's room he can improve, but yes you could say the same thing for all our bigs. Mobley is often better than JA, but we've all seen those times he gives his man too much space and buries on 3pter on him.
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:I will say, the article also spoke about needing Allen to defend out on the perimeter and in space. Which obviously Hali was cooking him in the 2nd round but i do not believe LNJ or Bryant would do any better, in those situations, on that side of the floor.
But yeah, i am genuinely shocked the Cavs actually have 2 NBA rotation bigs on their bench. Something a lot of you have been calling for since the 2023 Knicks 1st round series. It should for sure allow Allen more rest opportunities in the playoffs and throughout the RS too.
I'd say the emphasis in that article was about Allen improving his defense on the perimeter, which certainly there's room he can improve, but yes you could say the same thing for all our bigs. Mobley is often better than JA, but we've all seen those times he gives his man too much space and buries on 3pter on him.
Perhaps part of the problem is relying upon your center to switch on everything. Most teams switch everything but the 5. We ask Allen in particular to cover a lot more ground than most centers.
There have been two occasions where he really got gassed. Mobley got in foul trouble in Game 4 against the Knicks, and JB just left Allen out there. Mobley missed the end of Game 1 and all of Game 2 against the Pacers. I don't believe TT played in either game. Something has to give under those circumstances.
You're right, he didn't log a single minute in either game. Nance Jr and Bryant should both be playable bigs in the playoffs.jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:I will say, the article also spoke about needing Allen to defend out on the perimeter and in space. Which obviously Hali was cooking him in the 2nd round but i do not believe LNJ or Bryant would do any better, in those situations, on that side of the floor.
But yeah, i am genuinely shocked the Cavs actually have 2 NBA rotation bigs on their bench. Something a lot of you have been calling for since the 2023 Knicks 1st round series. It should for sure allow Allen more rest opportunities in the playoffs and throughout the RS too.
I'd say the emphasis in that article was about Allen improving his defense on the perimeter, which certainly there's room he can improve, but yes you could say the same thing for all our bigs. Mobley is often better than JA, but we've all seen those times he gives his man too much space and buries on 3pter on him.
Perhaps part of the problem is relying upon your center to switch on everything. Most teams switch everything but the 5. We ask Allen in particular to cover a lot more ground than most centers.
There have been two occasions where he really got gassed. Mobley got in foul trouble in Game 4 against the Knicks, and JB just left Allen out there. Mobley missed the end of Game 1 and all of Game 2 against the Pacers. I don't believe TT played in either game. Something has to give under those circumstances.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
I'd say the emphasis in that article was about Allen improving his defense on the perimeter, which certainly there's room he can improve, but yes you could say the same thing for all our bigs. Mobley is often better than JA, but we've all seen those times he gives his man too much space and buries on 3pter on him.
Perhaps part of the problem is relying upon your center to switch on everything. Most teams switch everything but the 5. We ask Allen in particular to cover a lot more ground than most centers.
There have been two occasions where he really got gassed. Mobley got in foul trouble in Game 4 against the Knicks, and JB just left Allen out there. Mobley missed the end of Game 1 and all of Game 2 against the Pacers. I don't believe TT played in either game. Something has to give under those circumstances.
I see nothing wrong with continuing to incrementally improve the things he's already good at while hopefully shoring up his weaknesses through more strength and stamina.
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
Perhaps part of the problem is relying upon your center to switch on everything. Most teams switch everything but the 5. We ask Allen in particular to cover a lot more ground than most centers.
There have been two occasions where he really got gassed. Mobley got in foul trouble in Game 4 against the Knicks, and JB just left Allen out there. Mobley missed the end of Game 1 and all of Game 2 against the Pacers. I don't believe TT played in either game. Something has to give under those circumstances.
I see nothing wrong with continuing to incrementally improve the things he's already good at while hopefully shoring up his weaknesses through more strength and stamina.
There's nothing wrong with that being part of the plan, but it can't be all of it. Bam looked pretty gassed in our series last year due to how much ground he was asked to cover, and endurance is the Heat's jam. Both of the Knicks centers got pretty tired against Carlisle three center rotation.
It's a little odd that you believe it's incumbent on the Cavs to rework their offense and defense around the strengths and weaknesses of players like Niang and Okoro, but getting one of our best players, who's a center, a little more rest in the postseason is too much to ask.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
I see nothing wrong with continuing to incrementally improve the things he's already good at while hopefully shoring up his weaknesses through more strength and stamina.
There's nothing wrong with that being part of the plan, but it can't be all of it. Bam looked pretty gassed in our series last year due to how much ground he was asked to cover, and endurance is the Heat's jam. Both of the Knicks centers got pretty tired against Carlisle three center rotation.
It's a little odd that you believe it's incumbent on the Cavs to rework their offense and defense around the strengths and weaknesses of players like Niang and Okoro, but getting one of our best players, who's a center, a little more rest in the postseason is too much to ask.
Hmm? I didn't mention rest in my reply.
I was wondering why Tyson got the start. CBS says Merrill has an undisclosed injury, questionable for the start of the season.ijspeelman wrote:#Cavs starting lineup for the preseason opener: Donovan Mitchell, Jaylon Tyson, De’Andre Hunter, Evan Mobley, and Jarrett Allen.
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I wonder why Kenny went with Tomlin over Bryant. Or was it Nance over Bryant and Tomlin would've been out there either way?toooskies wrote:Starters looked good. The bench group we played does not have enough shot-making. Mobley had some that-dude isos that looked good. Lonzo and Nance looked a little slow. Proctor came out on fire. CPJ has had good passes and good off-the-dribble shooting.
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with that being part of the plan, but it can't be all of it. Bam looked pretty gassed in our series last year due to how much ground he was asked to cover, and endurance is the Heat's jam. Both of the Knicks centers got pretty tired against Carlisle three center rotation.
It's a little odd that you believe it's incumbent on the Cavs to rework their offense and defense around the strengths and weaknesses of players like Niang and Okoro, but getting one of our best players, who's a center, a little more rest in the postseason is too much to ask.
Hmm? I didn't mention rest in my reply.
We've been corresponding on this board for years. I think it's safe to say that you've been a proponent of the team putting players in a position to succeed based on their strengths and weaknesses.
JujitsuFlip wrote:I wonder why Kenny went with Tomlin over Bryant. Or was it Nance over Bryant and Tomlin would've been out there either way?toooskies wrote:Starters looked good. The bench group we played does not have enough shot-making. Mobley had some that-dude isos that looked good. Lonzo and Nance looked a little slow. Proctor came out on fire. CPJ has had good passes and good off-the-dribble shooting.