Trades with Sonics

[zmac-]

I'd rather keep Hughes than get Wally.

That says a lot to me..

[TheOUTLAW]

It actually still makes some sense to me to prefer Hughes to Wally. Hughes does facilitate the offense and if he's not there we might be forced to move either Gibson into the lineup or Snow. And, Hughes does play defense. Which the next time Wally does may be the first time that he has.

[Bamboozled]

Paxon set the Cavs back a tremendous amount. The worst transaction (possibly worse than the Boozer debacle) was when Paxon traded 1 first round pick (which also stripped the Cavs of a second 1st round pick) for Jiri Welsch, who immediately became our worst player. Note that Danny Granger was drafted the pick after where we would have drafted.

Also don't forget Dejuan Wagner, trading for Darius Miles, and leaving Kapono unprotected from a team that definitely didn't have 8 guys worth protecting. Horrible GM.

I guess the saving grace with any Pre-LBJ moves is that the Cavs might have improved enough to miss out on Lebron

[mg]

OK, I'm probably in the minority here but would consider giving up a #1 if the Cavs got back a young big or a PG in the deal? Could the Sonics part with Sene, Swift or Petro or are they all trash/untouchables? I haven't seen enough of the Sonics to know if they are worth grooming?

I do know the Cavs were interested in Delonte West when he was with the Celtics..not sure if they would even consider trading a #1 pick for him though.

The Cavs could definitely use another shooter. I'd take Wally in a heartbeat for Snow/and ending contracts but wouldn't add a #1 pick unless there was some other sweetener coming back to Cleveland.

[djthesonicsfan]

OK, I'm probably in the minority here but would consider giving up a #1 if the Cavs got back a young big or a PG in the deal? Could the Sonics part with Sene, Swift or Petro or are they all trash/untouchables? I haven't seen enough of the Sonics to know if they are worth grooming?

R Swift tore his ACL last season & is about to return to action. Before the injury he had looked promising. The Sonic faithful are watching this closely. There's no real consensus on whether he'll return to the player we all thought he could be.

J Petro is developing great. He's benefitted the most from having Kurt Thomas around. He's likely to eventually take over at center, unless R Swift returns to form.

M Sene looks awesome. 7' tall & impressively athletic. Too bad he only starting playing basketball a few years ago. All the physical tools in the world but still a raw skill set. He's playing NBADL at the moment.

Of the three, J Petro is ready to contribute right now. R Swift seems slow returning from surgery. M Sene has yet to make the court this season.

I do know the Cavs were interested in Delonte West when he was with the Celtics... not sure if they would even consider trading a #1 pick for him though.

The Sonics' infamous "evaluation period" has wrecked havoc on D West. He deserves better. He can really play.

The Cavs could definitely use another shooter. I'd take Wally in a heartbeat for Snow/and ending contracts but wouldn't add a #1 pick unless there was some other sweetener coming back to Cleveland.

Then the Sonics won't do the trade, unless you'd consider Portland's 2nd pick sweetner. W Szczerbiak can still play ball. Great shooter. Posts up little guys. High BBIQ. Next year he'll be worth even more as an expiring. Besides, K Durant needs him. He's the only other real scorer the kid has to help him.

[mg]

^^Thanks for the input from the Sonics point of view..

I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor deal go down between the 2 teams. Maybe a Delonte West to the Cavs type trade. Ced Simmons, Shannon Brown, Newble(expiring contract), or possibly a future 2nd round pick could be the type of pieces going back to the Sonics in such a scenario.

I wouldn't mind Wally at all but honestly don't see a good trade fit there. The Cavaliers have a ton of expiring contracts in '09 but will be looking to package them along with pick(s) in the next year to add an impact player next to LeBron. You guys would probably be best served to hold onto Wally who's value will only increase as an expiring contract next year. I wouldn't mind Kurt Thomas on the Cavs either but they just don't have the ammo to make such a deal now.

[heathmalc]

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Then the Sonics won't do the trade, unless you'd consider Portland's 2nd pick sweetner. W Szczerbiak can still play ball. Great shooter. Posts up little guys. High BBIQ. Next year he'll be worth even more as an expiring. Besides, K Durant needs him. He's the only other real scorer the kid has to help him.

Cleveland wont trade a 1st for Wally-World. Period!

The only scenario I see where Cleveland sends Seattle a 1st and takes Wally is the Following:

Cleveland sends: Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Eric Snow and 1st round pick -

Seattle Sends Wally-World, Nick Collison, Donte West, 2nd round pick (from Portland).

Why each team does it:

Cleveland Picks-up an additional shooter and although they give-up Drew, they get back Nick Collison who has similar numbers and is under contract for 4 years at a reasonable price. They lose their 1st round pick, but pick-up a young PG with size who has some potential, and they receive a 2nd rounder.

Seattle Dumps the experiment with West, and brings in a vetern PG who can help mentor the young guys on the team, teaching them defense, as that is Eric's biggest strength. Seattle Gets Donyell with snow and Donyell will replace the shooting that Wally provided, for half the price and the same length of contract. Sonics pick=up Drew who plays better than Nick although younger, and has a shorter contract by two years. Seattle gains an additional 1st rounder in a deep draft while only giving up the second-rounder they got from Portland, which will be late in the 2nd round anyway.

Another scenario is Donyell and Eric and a 2nd rounder and cash for Wally and Delonte.

Outside of those deals...I see nothing in Seattle that will draw the Cavalier's interest.

[Det the Threat]

Sonics fan here.

How about this one?

Donyell Marshall, Shannon Brown, Ira Newble, 2008 1st round pick

for

Luke Ridnour, Delonte West, Damien Wilkins

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4504814

Cheers Det

[heathmalc]

No. This trade is no good.

First...The Cavs don't need to trade a SF and PF for a couple of PGs.

One of the first-rules of trades is never trade a BIG for a "small" unless the "small" is an absolute starter.

The players you are sending will not provide anything immediately. In-addition, we use Ira and Donyell because we have been injured all year. We would be getting hurt in this deal. AND you want a 1st round pick? Luke is a crap-contract...keep him.

We'll send you Donyell and Eric for Damien and Delonte. We'll throw-in a 2009 2nd rounder and cash.

[jnester71]

We'll send you Donyell and Eric for Damien and Delonte. We'll throw-in a 2009 2nd rounder and cash.

reasons why Seattle does it:
They don't really need on court production for the $13 million that they would spend on Snow and Marshall. The experience these two have would be invaluable for their bench. Plus they have a shot at plucking a gem with that second round pick. Gilbert Arenas was a second round pick. Seattle is not going to compete for a couple of years anyway so the cash is a bribe.. for agreeing to send us two young talented players for a couple of has beens.

I really like this trade HM..
can you work your cap magic and make the salaries work out?

[TheOUTLAW]

It was tossing in first round picks for mediocre talent that got the Cavs in the predicament that they are in now. No way should they give up a first for any of the players being mentioned