Zach Randolph in Cleveland? Hear Me Out First
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Yeah, I do believe so.. I had a moment of weakness, but then quickly remembered that a guy like Wally was also on that list, and I now see why when I thought up the list, I included guys like Wally on it.. And ultimately any Knicks player..Gordon Bombay wrote:do we still have the no knicks rule in effect? if not, id like to bring it back to reject this trade
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I would really consider it. Wallace is pretty much done. Randolph is a MUCH better player, and if he plays next to LeBron then he might be able to stay focused and hungry (not literally). Plus there won't be as much trouble for him to get into in Cleveland. And all Cleveland has to do is give up Ben Wallace. They still keep all of their expiring contracts for a bigger trade.
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I think that's something we'd have to consider, though it is a high risk move. He's got 4 or 5 years on a huge contract left and is at a Drew Gooden defensive level. I haven't seen the guy play much, but it seems he can score in the post, has a nice midrange game and even 3PT range (though I doubt we'd want him taking too many 3's) and he rebounds. Ideally he would be excited about coming here, focus on the defensive end + conditioning and work well with LBJ (pick and roll + open J), but those are things that he...might not be capable of.
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I would definitely consider it, but there's no way Ferry considers it.
Zebo isn't the type of player the Cavs look at. Wallace, Delonte, Smith, Wally those are all pretty good character, basketball IQ, humble, hard working type of guys. With what happened with Hughes I don't think Ferry wants to risk getting another guy whose focus might not be on a championship and who might not be working as hard to improve his game.
Zach Randolph talent-wise is like a beautiful woman who you know isn't marriage material. You are seduced by her beauty, in this case his amazing talent, but you know she's superficial, unintelligent, spoiled, belligerent, manipulative... Even though she's incredible in the looks department you know she wouldn't make for a good life partner or mother for your children... you know she's just not someone you want to go with on that next level of commitment.
That analogy pretty much sums up the demise of Isiah in New York. He was seduced by the talents of Starbury, Randolph, Stevie Franchise... yet didn't really consider when acquiring them you get the whole package. The good and the bad.
New York was a disaster when he got that job and they kept trying to chase quick fixes. It didn't work and Isiah ultimately took the fall, but he actually has a very good eye for talent.
Zebo isn't the type of player the Cavs look at. Wallace, Delonte, Smith, Wally those are all pretty good character, basketball IQ, humble, hard working type of guys. With what happened with Hughes I don't think Ferry wants to risk getting another guy whose focus might not be on a championship and who might not be working as hard to improve his game.
Zach Randolph talent-wise is like a beautiful woman who you know isn't marriage material. You are seduced by her beauty, in this case his amazing talent, but you know she's superficial, unintelligent, spoiled, belligerent, manipulative... Even though she's incredible in the looks department you know she wouldn't make for a good life partner or mother for your children... you know she's just not someone you want to go with on that next level of commitment.
That analogy pretty much sums up the demise of Isiah in New York. He was seduced by the talents of Starbury, Randolph, Stevie Franchise... yet didn't really consider when acquiring them you get the whole package. The good and the bad.
New York was a disaster when he got that job and they kept trying to chase quick fixes. It didn't work and Isiah ultimately took the fall, but he actually has a very good eye for talent.
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Knicks fan here just perusing...
I think if Zach's deal was a year shorter, the Cavs would have to look at this deal and consider it seriously. In order to keep Lebron, you need either a championship, or another true game changer next to him. Someone like a Howard. Of course you're not going to get Howard, so you're stuck looking at second tier stars who may help. Zach Randolph falls into that group talent-wise, but you'd be banking on Danny Ferry to bring you another guy with Szerbiak's expiring next year. Not sure if Chris Wallace is making any more deals, as you don't have the young talent outside of Lebron. Tough position to be in, but if I were you, I'd keep my flexibility for that summer of 2010.
I think the Knicks too seriously consider this deal if Wallace's contract were a year shorter. We still get our cap flexibility for 2010, but we help our primary target's team get better, and say what you want about Zach, you guys would be better with. As long as you keep Varejao and get another banger to bring off the bench, your offense improves, rebounding at the bare minimum stays the same, and you lose some defense. The thing is, if you give Lebron a true low-post option, he's all the more dangerous in the half-court set.
Simply put, the Cavs do this only if they have their next move planned to bring in a swing-man who truly complements Lebron and is young enough. That means a true shooter in the mold of Redd or Joe Johnson, without the max contract. The Knicks do it if you include a heavily protected first.
I think if Zach's deal was a year shorter, the Cavs would have to look at this deal and consider it seriously. In order to keep Lebron, you need either a championship, or another true game changer next to him. Someone like a Howard. Of course you're not going to get Howard, so you're stuck looking at second tier stars who may help. Zach Randolph falls into that group talent-wise, but you'd be banking on Danny Ferry to bring you another guy with Szerbiak's expiring next year. Not sure if Chris Wallace is making any more deals, as you don't have the young talent outside of Lebron. Tough position to be in, but if I were you, I'd keep my flexibility for that summer of 2010.
I think the Knicks too seriously consider this deal if Wallace's contract were a year shorter. We still get our cap flexibility for 2010, but we help our primary target's team get better, and say what you want about Zach, you guys would be better with. As long as you keep Varejao and get another banger to bring off the bench, your offense improves, rebounding at the bare minimum stays the same, and you lose some defense. The thing is, if you give Lebron a true low-post option, he's all the more dangerous in the half-court set.
Simply put, the Cavs do this only if they have their next move planned to bring in a swing-man who truly complements Lebron and is young enough. That means a true shooter in the mold of Redd or Joe Johnson, without the max contract. The Knicks do it if you include a heavily protected first.