we should trade up for russell westbrook

[Awoooga]

To everyone's points above.

I believe the one thing we should stick with regarding the Knicks is the no knicks policy. The no Knicks policy has to remain in effect for the following main reason:

The Knicks are screwed on the cap issue. Therefore, as long as they remain screwed, they are less likely to attract Lebron.

Therefore leave them be.

That is a legitimate point.

[Hydroponic3385]

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HAHAHA, you call the guy who wanted to trade up for Westbrook unrealistic and you sit here and propose and more ridiculous move where two All-Stars sign with Cleveland in 2010

This is insane, no one is trading an all-star, or a fringe star, or a even a good player for Varejo, and expiring contracts.

Maybe an All-Star is going to sign with Cleveland to play with Lebron 1) that is in 2 years and 2) at that time it is way more likely that Lebron leaves Cleveland to to sign with a team prepared to make a serious run for the title.

You can use the smilies all you want, it doesn't make you seem anymore intelligent or funny.

How is it difficult to think that...if Cleveland decides to be on the conservative side and not add on many contracts past 2010 (besides West, Gibson, draft pick[s])...that they can not only resign Lebron but also another all-star caliber player? They'd have PLENTY of cap space. I didn't say 2 additional all-stars, although that's a possiblity because there are always a few veteran (and probably slightly past-their-prime but still good) players in the league who are willing to take major pay cuts to win a title. Are you telling me that Lebron + another all-star player aren't enough to convince someone that "hey, I can win a few titles with those guys." I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but we'd definitely be able to get Lebron and another star...and that may be enough to attract a couple other very nice pieces.

And why do you think Lebron is so dead set on leaving? Do you think he doesn't understand the concept of teams having salary caps? The bottom line is James wants to WIN. The Knicks and Nets are right now FAR behind the Cavs as far as that goes, and there's no reason to think they'll be in better shape than the Cavs in less than 2 years. Add to that the fact that we'll either 1) get a big name here via either trade or free agency (yes, Gilbert IS willing to spend) 2) or have plenty of room to sign Lebron + another all-star. Oh yeah, and Lebron is from Cleveland, all his family and long-time friends are in the Cleveland area, and he has said numerous times he wants to bring championships to this city.

Is it possible Lebron leaves in 2010? Yes. Is it more than likely? No.

[eyejayem]

So you think they only do it for expirings? I mean there have been worst trades but they dont have many options and I think we sort of have the advantage. They are looking to contracts 2 years or shorter and not many teams are willing to take Zach. Besides Cavs and Philly I dont see anyone really saying anything. And philly after they sign AI2 and consider extending Miller, you tell me who is going to take Zach while his value drops more.

NY is playing for 2010, no one after Gallinari is going to make them change their minds.

[L&H_05]

To everyone's points above.

I believe the one thing we should stick with regarding the Knicks is the no knicks policy. The no Knicks policy has to remain in effect for the following main reason:

The Knicks are screwed on the cap issue. Therefore, as long as they remain screwed, they are less likely to attract Lebron.

Therefore leave them be.

Kiwi-

I think we both know LBJ would not go to the Knicks regardless... It's Cavs or Nets..And bottom line, Brooklyn is not Akron in LeBron's eyes... I'd be more worried if he wasn't from the area..

No way he bolts, and if he does, the Knicks are not one of the spots he's going to.. Makes no sense..

[Awoooga]

So you think they only do it for expirings? I mean there have been worst trades but they dont have many options and I think we sort of have the advantage. They are looking to contracts 2 years or shorter and not many teams are willing to take Zach. Besides Cavs and Philly I dont see anyone really saying anything. And philly after they sign AI2 and consider extending Miller, you tell me who is going to take Zach while his value drops more.

NY is playing for 2010, no one after Gallinari is going to make them change their minds.

I disagree, both teams are not in positions of power. New York is trying to dump salary for 2010 F/A.

Cleveland needs to upgrade their lineup for next season. Cleveland already tried this at the deadline but the mediocre players they got were of no use in the playoffs. Not upgrading the team means a greater chance of Lebron bolting for whereever.

[eyejayem]

First your mistaken the team with Lebron is the one with power because they already have him.

Second, New York isnt even the next team on Lebron's list. If Nets get the OK to build in Brooklyn, Knicks dont even have a fighting chance. Go to the Mecca and hope things are changed or go to Nets where they are already gearing a team for Lebron?

Third let's be honest, Lebron by time he signs his next deal won't have to sign for Max if he doesnt want to because like Jordan in the 90s his NBA salary will be worth peanuts what he is making in endorsements.

So in that case he will go to the better team with the best market and if Cleveland can have a team that can sniff the championship, he's staying because it is still a top 5 market in the US.

[eyejayem]

Back to the Russell Westbrook thing:

Do you think Sac would do a:

Kenny Thomas
Ron Artest
#12

for

Wally
Pav or AV
Cash
#19
And if necessary future 2nd

Sac is likely going to draft a PG or C. Augustine could be there but the rest of the Cs and PGs arent expected to go until around 20 to 30. Hibbert,Lopez,Koufos, Chalmers,etc.

What if we took back SAR also or gave up a future 1st protected.

[Awoooga]

So in that case he will go to the better team with the best market and if Cleveland can have a team that can sniff the championship, he's staying because it is still a top 5 market in the US.

Cleveland is not a top 5 market in the U.S.

[L&H_05]

Market size is irrelevant.. Basketball players don't relocate based on market size..

[SHAQFORMVP]

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Cleveland is not a top 5 market in the U.S.

I also heard that your mother loves taking it in the **** Stop trolling the Cavs boards and go back to the lowly pathetic Knicks board u Moron

[heathmalc]

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You are dead right on the Gasol thing, but do you see another trade like that happening again? The grizzlies looked like idiots for making that trade, and perception will only get worse if the Lakers win the title. The Gasol trade will make it alot LESS likely that another trade like it will happen again.

You'd THINK it would be a LOT less likely.... But let's take a snapshot of this past season:

Kevin Garnett & Ray Allen to Boston; Pau Gasol to Lakers; Dallas gets RAPED for Jason Kidd (after Gasol)... Need More?

Charlotte gives-up 1st rounder for Jason Richardson, Sacramento Gives away Mike Bibby...

Previous years have seen A.I. goto Denver, Orlando GAVE AWAY Drew Gooden & Anderson Varejo, San Antonio GAVE away Luis Scolia,etc,etc,etc


We can go on and on. This league is littered with terrible trades/deals....as is EVERY sports-league. It is part of the business. As long as there are professional sports, these deals will continue.

One team's trash, is another team's gold. It's that simple.

Don't discount anything. Ever.

[tarheelsncavs]

Gasol was traded for nothing because the Grizz ownership knew that a low payroll made the franchise more attractive to prospective buyers....plus they werent going anywhere....they have to COMPLETELY rebuild....now they have 2 young PG's and a young SG/SF in Rudy Gay that can really score...they could have a team like Portland in a few short years......

Anything is possible this offseason....I could see someone trading their higher pick to someone like the Cavs....some teams may not value enough of these players to give them a guaranteed 3 year deal...the Cavs on the other hand need role players and thats what almost all of the players in this draft are