Who are the Cavs focusing on this off-season?

heathmalc · Post #1 » by **heathmalc** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:46 am

I'm curious as to who everyone thinks that the Cavs will target as their first priority in a trade this off-season. I have heard a slew of names come-up, but most prominent are Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Elton Brand and Jermaine Oneal.

Statistics have shown that the public "view" is usually correct, so if we get enough people to vote here, we may have an idea of who the Cavs will target.

Of-course, I (we) may be way off, but it's fun anyway!

Hydroponic3385 · Post #2 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Sun May 25, 2008 3:32 pm

I'm surprised there's no Mike Miller on that list.

LiquidFire · Post #3 » by **LiquidFire** » Sun May 25, 2008 4:18 pm

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DariusRickyMilesDavis · Post #4 » by **DariusRickyMilesDavis** » Sun May 25, 2008 4:28 pm

I'll say Redd because he's the only realistic possibility I can see of the top players on that list.

Post #5 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sun May 25, 2008 4:49 pm

I've never seen anything saying that the Cavs had an interest in Baron Davis. That'd be an interesting mix although I'm not so sure it'd be a good one.

Post #6 » by **Rise Against** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:05 pm

Probably Brand, Redd, and O'Neal.

heathmalc · Post #7 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:05 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:I've never seen anything saying that the Cavs had an interest in Baron Davis. That'd be an interesting mix although I'm not so sure it'd be a good one.

I never said that the Cavaliers "were" interested (although I'm sure they would be), I said that those players were the "names" that I keep hearing ( most-often), in connection to the Cavaliers. I apologize for any vagueness in my post-question.

I'd have to agree that doing a sign-n-trade with Davis (GS) would be a big risk, but as BW said: "It'd be worth pursuing."

The biggest problem is that Davis does have a history of injuries, and we all know that the Cavs don't need another semi-superstar who is injured half the year. But we may be putting the cart in-front of the horse, here: It isn't definite that Baron will even opt-out of his contract...so talk of Davis is probably a little premature.

JO is someone that I'd be interested in, only if Ben Wallace is part of the deal, and Zydrunas is NOT! When JO was at his best 4 years ago, he was one of the top 3 PF in the game; however, those days are gone. I "may" be willing to trade Szczerbiak and Sasha, assuming we don't have to add anything more than a second round pick and cash. Anything more and Indiana can keep him.

Michael Redd is intriguing, but I'd rather have Mike Miller. Miller is younger, bigger, a better defender, cheaper and shoots a better percentage. If Redd was 3 years younger, I'd be a LOT more interested.

Elton Brand is not even an option. We could probably get a deal done with a couple picks, Wally and cash, but that is too much in my opinion. We need someone who will be able to play at a high level for five years! History shows that the majority of PF wear-out by age 31, and that would only give us 2 years. So I pass on Brand unless we get a steal...which wont happen.

Here is what I'd like to see:

Cleveland do a sign&trade with Chicago for Ben Gordon. Cavs send Wally and 2 future #1 picks to the Bulls for Gordon. The max deal that Gordon signs would be equal to Wally's current contract. The Bulls don't want a pick THIS year because they already have too many contracts that are due at the same time, and if they don't make a deal for Deng or Gordon, they risk losing them for nothing next year.

I think the Cavs current frontline is fine. I'd let them all play-out their contracts, with the possible exception of Varejao, who I'd try to trade for a 1st this year or next.

The mid-level exception would be used on a back-up SG (Bonzi Wells?) and a back-up center (Kwame or Elson would come cheap).

That's my opinion.

L&H_05 · Post #8 » by **L&H_05** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:22 am

Our frontline is not fine.. We have no low post options, and since we don't run a triangle, we get limited post up scenarios..

Zydrunas is horrid in the post anymore.. He usually travels, but when he doesn't, he tries a few moves where he's pivoting several times, and usually fails.. He can't back his man down anymore..

LeBron doesn't have a post up game either..

Nobody does on this team..That's not fine..

You say the decline begins at 31 in your Elton argument, yet, virtually all of our frontline is past that age, and you suggest we're fine ???

lol...O-------------------K

Benedict_Boozer · Post #9 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 4:07 am

^Yeah even if you just look at the last 4 teams this year.. they all had good post scorers in Sheed/Gasol/Duncan/KG.

Gooden sucked but he could score from the post, we missed that alot I think..we have to address the PF position

EDIT: Lebron could REALLY help our post scoring if he developed a post game..he really has no excuse because he has all the tools to do so. His entire game could revolve around the post-up..

Post #10 » by **Rise Against** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 5:38 am

Based on how everyone is implying that Andy won't last in Cleveland, maybe the best thing we can use him for is to be part of a deal for Redd. I've read on the Bucks board and they said Andy is underrated in terms of value.. However, it will need to be a 3 team trade if we are going to have any chance of getting Redd.

Also, I would have to agree with how LeBron has all of the assets to be a great low post scorer instead of being so perimeter oriented.. If only our coach will just say something about that...

heathmalc · Post #11 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:14 am

L&H_05 wrote:
You say the decline begins at 31 in your Elton argument, yet, virtually all of our frontline is past that age, and you suggest we're fine ???

lol...O-------------------K

The difference between our frontline and Elton Brand is that we already have them...with Brand, we'd likely have to give-ip a talent, plus 2 top-picks, plus an expiring contract!!!

I said our frontline was "fine," I never said it couldn't be improved, or that it was elite. However, with this year's #1 pick, we could address that issue, and possibly the trade of Andy could further the cause.

We can only make so many moves. The frontline is NOT a priority. We need a shooting guard who can create his own shot, or a point-guard who can shoot. THOSE are the priorities, everything else is icing on the cake.

When I say the frontline is fine... I infer that it is acceptable...nothing more.

Here's a question for you:

Would you rather have Brand and no shooters OR

A shooter(All-star caliber) next to LeBron, and our current front-line?

I'd take option #2... THAT was my point!

Benedict_Boozer · Post #12 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:22 pm

Honestly, give me Brand and Lebron. Shooters are easier to find than a PF the quality of Elton.

Plus to me Lebrons style of play meshes best with big men. I would look to add his complimentary all-star player on the front line.

Post #13 » by **B Mac** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:47 pm

Exile23 wrote:However, it will need to be a 3 team trade if we are going to have any chance of getting Redd.

What makes you say that? I think we have more than enough pieces to get a Redd trade done. The question to me is how much to give up is too much...

Benedict_Boozer · Post #14 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 4:21 pm

^Too much would be including someone like Boobie as filler. He has alot of value to this team, more than he would elsewhere.

I'd also PREFER to keep our 1st rd pick this year, but realistically we prob have to give that up.

heathmalc · Post #15 » by **heathmalc** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 1:56 am

Benedict_Boozer wrote:Honestly, give me Brand and Lebron. Shooters are easier to find than a PF the quality of Elton.

Plus to me Lebrons style of play meshes best with big men. I would look to add his complimentary all-star player on the front line.

Fair enough.

Personally, I'd rather see LeBron next to another dangerous shooter who can create his own shot and is all-star caliper.

The thing that I absolutely do not want to do is give-up THIS year's 1st round pick!!!

I'd settle for Brand.... it isn't like he's a scrub.

Perhaps Brand and Kidd???

(I know that nobody is talking J-Kidd anymore... but don't be surprised if rumors start floating that involve his name)

Post #16 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 2:18 am

Kidd costs way too much and I'd think that him being abused in the playoffs opened some eyes.

heathmalc · Post #17 » by **heathmalc** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 2:21 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:Kidd costs way too much and I'd think that him being abused in the playoffs opened some eyes.

I agree 100%

However, LeBron likes him...and if that is what is needed to keep him in a Cavs uniform, then I am all for it. Plus...LeBron would make Kidd better...and vice-versa.

Hydroponic3385 · Post #18 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:57 am

Not that it means much at all, but my cousin was listening to talk radio in Cleveland today. The people were talking about how Ferry has been having trade talk with the Clips about Brand and Maggette. Probably just typical radio rumors and whatnot, but it's at least nice to hear.

heathmalc · Post #19 » by **heathmalc** » Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:07 am

Hydroponic3385 wrote:Not that it means much at all, but my cousin was listening to talk radio in Cleveland today. The people were talking about how Ferry has been having trade talk with the Clips about Brand and Maggette. Probably just typical radio rumors and whatnot, but it's at least nice to hear.

That trade wouldn't surprise me, as the Clippers could be setting themselves up for a run at a big FA in 09.