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Post#1 » by eyejayem » Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:40 pm

Do we resign or attempt to resign Varajao? I think we are in a better position just because not everyone is willing to spend money with 2010 around the corner and I am not sure AV will chase money to play for a loser or try and work something else. I think we could still likely resign him and still have enough for our 1st rd pick if we keep it and next years, plus an offer for Bosh and still resign the King. Is that logical? Can we?

I think if he knows that starting postition is his when Z retires, he may be willing to consider it. What if the amount went down over the course of the contract or was the same straight across?
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Post#2 » by TheOUTLAW » Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:44 pm

Varejao is getting more expensive by the day. I think we resign him but I also agree that most people are not going to be willing to spend alot of money this year. He might actually be better off not opting out of his contract but I also know that we don't want the same type of contentious negotiation that we had last year.
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Post#3 » by L&H_05 » Sat Dec 6, 2008 11:14 pm

You have to.. He's our only young productive big right now... He's someone who has incredible chemistry with LeBron...

Bite the bullet here and pay him...

But man, he is an injury risk waiting to happen due to his style...
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Post#4 » by TheOUTLAW » Sat Dec 6, 2008 11:42 pm

People are saying that David Lee is going to get 10 mil a year and frankly his stats appear truly meaningless on the Knicks team. He gets points and rebounds but they don't appear to be at a time when his team really needs them. That's what Varejaos gift is. He grabs tough rebounds both offensively and defensively at a time when the team really needs it. He rolls to the basket for layups when the team is in an offensive drought and he still gets the important offensive foul calls (eventhough there is the supposed Varejao rule). His activity, versatility and his defense makes him one of the more necessary players on the Cavs team.
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Post#5 » by Cevap » Sun Dec 7, 2008 4:53 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:People are saying that David Lee is going to get 10 mil a year and frankly his stats appear truly meaningless on the Knicks team. He gets points and rebounds but they don't appear to be at a time when his team really needs them. That's what Varejaos gift is. He grabs tough rebounds both offensively and defensively at a time when the team really needs it. He rolls to the basket for layups when the team is in an offensive drought and he still gets the important offensive foul calls (eventhough there is the supposed Varejao rule). His activity, versatility and his defense makes him one of the more necessary players on the Cavs team.

yeah but he's been like that for the past few years. He took it to another level this year by not bricking so many jumpshots and actually having a decent offensive game (although it still is too ugly to watch)
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Post#6 » by RevMan26 » Sun Dec 7, 2008 7:04 am

I think we have to resign him. He is the most productive big off the bench, and when Z and Ben are gone, who will we have? With him forming that medium jumper, I would love to see him start and take Z's place when Z is done.
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Post#7 » by B Mac » Sun Dec 7, 2008 4:33 pm

He should get paid, and to be honest, he deserves it.
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Post#8 » by zol2332 » Sun Dec 7, 2008 5:27 pm

He deserves the 8 per year now. I think 10 is insane. I think he should get a 4 year starting in the 7.5 range and going to the high 8's by the end of his contract. However, I don't know how this would affect us in trying to re-sign LeBron and sign Bosh. We still may have enough cap room. However, imagine this starting line-up.

PG Mo
SG D-West
SF LeBron
PF Bosh
C Varejao

Hickson, D-Block, Gibson, picks

This line-up is set up to win multiple championships just as LeBron asked. Varejao is the perfect complement to Bosh in the post. He also has great chemistry with LBJ and is forming it with Mo.
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Post#9 » by Bill Bradley » Sun Dec 7, 2008 11:08 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:People are saying that David Lee is going to get 10 mil a year and frankly his stats appear truly meaningless on the Knicks team. He gets points and rebounds but they don't appear to be at a time when his team really needs them. That's what Varejaos gift is. He grabs tough rebounds both offensively and defensively at a time when the team really needs it. He rolls to the basket for layups when the team is in an offensive drought and he still gets the important offensive foul calls (eventhough there is the supposed Varejao rule). His activity, versatility and his defense makes him one of the more necessary players on the Cavs team.


Actually wrong on both counts. Nobody is saying that Lee will get $10million a year. There was a rumor that he asked for that amount and was rebuffed, but we have no idea if that's true. Either way, there is no way that Lee will get near that amount. Most on the Knicks' board guess around $7-8 million a year. And I don't have any idea where you get the part about him getting boards when we don't need them. He is a monster rebounder and a clutch player, usually has the highest +/- ratio on our team. He is averaging 18 pts 15 rebounds a game since we traded Zach Randolph. He had 19 boards today in our win over the Pistons and none of them were meaningless.
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Post#10 » by TheOUTLAW » Sun Dec 7, 2008 11:37 pm

Lee got 13 and 16 rebounds the Cavs and just about every single one of them were absolutely pointless stat padding. He did not one single thing to impact either of those games.
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Post#11 » by Bill Bradley » Sun Dec 7, 2008 11:51 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Lee got 13 and 16 rebounds the Cavs and just about every single one of them were absolutely pointless stat padding. He did not one single thing to impact either of those games.


Haha, well yeah you blew us out so those stats were pretty meaningless, but if you go by that logic, all of the stats put up by the Knicks would be meaningless. Moreover, any rebound in any blowout game shouldn't count. Get my point?

Anyways, judgments of a player based one one game aren't very meaningful. Not trying to railroad this thread, but your assessment of Lee was way off-base so I had to point that out.
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Post#12 » by TheOUTLAW » Mon Dec 8, 2008 12:17 am

You are using the exact same logic when you are using this game against Detroit. Fact is, my perception of him is that he did nothing in the games that I've seen him play to impact the outcome. There were other players on NY that did like Duhon and even Richardson in the first game. But not Lee. He got the vast majority of his stats when the outcome was no longer in doubt and the Cavs had pulled not only their starters but even their second string.
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Post#13 » by Bill Bradley » Mon Dec 8, 2008 12:32 am

Well you are just wrong, and to mention Richardson as a contributor above Lee is laughable. Don't know how else to put it. I follow the team pretty closely and Lee is one of the biggest contributor to wins on the team, and not only in the rebounding department. But anyways, as you were.
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Post#14 » by RevMan26 » Mon Dec 8, 2008 3:27 am

I think he's saying that Richardson was more of a contributor in both of the Cavs vs. Knicks games than Lee was.
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Post#15 » by vct33 » Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:29 pm

4 year @ $30 million or less and I'd keep Anderson. Any more than that and I'd say adios.

Frankly, $30 million is still too much but I could live with it. Leon Powe won't be getting $30 million and he's better than Varejao.
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Post#16 » by heathmalc » Tue Dec 9, 2008 8:10 pm

The L.A. Clippers have been trying to find a good trading partner for Chris Kaman since this past summer. Originally there was a big 4-team deal that would have sent him to Chicago...and they are still interested. But Denver (One of the other teams) has since got Billups, and although Washington still would probably take Hughes, I am not sure the deal can be done anymore unless Portland were to jump into Denver's place.

I think that the Cavaliers would send out Hickson and Sasha plus 2 first rounders for the injured Kaman. It may be something to keep an eye on.

Another team that we may want to keep an eye on is Utah. They have 3 major pieces up for contracts this summer. They want to keep Boozer and Milsap, but Milsap is actually better than Boozer. Kirilenko may be the odd-man out if Utah decides it is gonna keep both Boozer and Milsap. Korver will want something starting at the MLE...and he is getting less time in Utah because of Ronnie Brewer. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cavaliers tried to get Kirilenko and Korver for Hickson, Wally and Sasha plus a 1st rounder.

As for Anderson Varejao... he isn't going anywhere. He has pretty-much made that clear.
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