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Post#21 » by Benedict_Boozer » Wed May 27, 2009 8:21 pm

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daboywonder2007 wrote:1) charlie v is talented. and i havent seen a bunch of bucks games. but from what ive seen. he is basically a stats guy. he doesnt hit the boards hard enough and his defense is suspect

2) bogut- his contract is not worth it. id much rather have mehmet okur. imagine all that driving room for lebron memo would create. scary right?? not sure how much the cavs can offer mehmet though

3. amare- sorry not worth it. doesnt hit the boards enough for me and his defense is suspect. i dont care if he scores 26 plus a game. thats not what the cavs need.


??? One of the Cavs biggest problems in this series is that they have no one else that can be relied upon to score (aside from Lebron) and no one that is forcing Dwight to work on defense (aside from Lebron). And Stoudemire averages more rebounds than any Cav front court player (aside from Lebron). Adding Stoudemire would also bypass the need for the Cavs to have to figure out how to clear enough cap space for a 2nd star in 2010 since he'd already be their free agent. Not to mention that it will show Lebron that "look we already have a 2nd star" instead of "give us a chance and we'll try to find one". If the Suns were crazed enough to be willing to take what is being proposed, the Cavs would have to be absolutely insane to turn it down.


I would personally be all over Amare. I doubt it happens but frankly it's a no brainer.
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Post#22 » by aniloman » Wed May 27, 2009 8:34 pm

I agree the CAVS have a great team but the matchup with Orlando is just brutal. All the front court positions the advantage goes to the MAGIC. Ferry needs to change the team just slightly in the offseason. Bringing in a low post threat should be priority 1. Secondly a wing defender with some size would help.
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Post#23 » by daboywonder2007 » Wed May 27, 2009 8:45 pm

aniloman wrote:I agree the CAVS have a great team but the matchup with Orlando is just brutal. All the front court positions the advantage goes to the MAGIC. Ferry needs to change the team just slightly in the offseason. Bringing in a low post threat should be priority 1. Secondly a wing defender with some size would help.


why does everyone think backcourt size is a problem? what 2 guards have been torching the cavs?? mo and delonte are just fine. besides if you want a wing defender with size- his name is king james. yet mike brown has him guarding freaking courtney lee.
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Post#24 » by Roger Murdock » Wed May 27, 2009 10:30 pm

I bet shaq is on our team next year. Ben Wallace + Sasha saves them a ton of money, plus we can toss in a pick or something.
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Post#25 » by BBallFan72 » Wed May 27, 2009 11:20 pm

Should have traded for Shaq when you had the chance....stupid stupid move. Should have seen this coming with KG out and the Magic playing so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro7Uz4jEfmg
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Post#26 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Wed May 27, 2009 11:26 pm

dunleavyjr wrote:Time to get Yao Ming. He is the only guy in the NBA who can eat D12 alive.
Big Z is a freaking roll of Charmin. He is old too by the way.
Varejao is just not strong enough, and also is too freaking small to guard D12.

I wanna see the LeBron-Yao combo.


Yao needs good perimeter defenders to keep him out of foul trouble. I think if you get a decent wing like Kobe and pair him with a good defensive PG like Deron Williams, combined with LeBron's game, and a PF with range like Chris Bosh, you'd have a very good team.

And all of this has roughly the same chance of happening as the Cavs getting Yao, 0%.
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Post#27 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Wed May 27, 2009 11:28 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:I bet shaq is on our team next year. Ben Wallace + Sasha saves them a ton of money, plus we can toss in a pick or something.


Shaq's contract expires next year. Why would Phoenix trade him in a deal that:
A. doesn't save them money
B. makes them a significantly worse team

when they don't even have their draft pick in 2010?

Ridiculous.
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Post#28 » by BBallFan72 » Wed May 27, 2009 11:52 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:I bet shaq is on our team next year. Ben Wallace + Sasha saves them a ton of money, plus we can toss in a pick or something.



That does not save them that much, plus I thought they wanted Wally and that was the hold up??? They wanted him completely off their books next year.
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Post#29 » by Shishnizzle » Thu May 28, 2009 12:37 am

I think you guys could solve a lot of problems by adding Rasheed Wallace. I think he is a free agent. He is exactly what your team needs. He can defend the post, he has a very good post up game, and he can shoot and defend the three. Also he won't be very expensive.
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Post#30 » by moocow007 » Thu May 28, 2009 12:49 am

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:I bet shaq is on our team next year. Ben Wallace + Sasha saves them a ton of money, plus we can toss in a pick or something.


Shaq's contract expires next year. Why would Phoenix trade him in a deal that:
A. doesn't save them money
B. makes them a significantly worse team

when they don't even have their draft pick in 2010?

Ridiculous.


Especially when you consider that a Cavalier draft pick works against them since they'd be locked into having to pay a guaranteed contract to a player that likely won't do a thing for them now or in the future.

The Suns can't afford to trade Shaq for basically lesser players and save not much of anything in the process. PR disaster.
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Post#31 » by Mike12345 » Thu May 28, 2009 1:05 am

stayfly wrote:as a Bucks fan, two big men that I'm confident would help your Cavs out are;

1. Andrew Bogut - excellent rebounder, strong defender, excellent passer, good low-post score. Bogut could be the dominant young center that the Cavs need

2. Charlie V - excellent shooter and scorer, solid in all other areas except can some moments of poor defense and rebounding. Charlie V could get the Cavs 15 to 20 points a night from the power forward spot as a starter or off the bench.


There a defensive team so why would they want charlie v??? Bogut I agree with they need better passing this team has NO CREATORS other then lebron. Thats what has killed many teams with star SG look at tmacs prime in Orlando.

Personally i think they need shotblocking like a tyson chandler type player to ignite the fast break.

SF position is also weak if u have lebron at shooting guard. Id look to move Mo williams for a more pass first point guard, pick up richard jefferson to guard guys like turkolough take the pressure off lebron. Then sign a guy upfront whos similiar to chandler can block shots rebound and dunk
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Post#32 » by tribulations » Thu May 28, 2009 1:22 am

BigCityCat wrote:I think you guys could solve a lot of problems by adding Rasheed Wallace. I think he is a free agent. He is exactly what your team needs. He can defend the post, he has a very good post up game, and he can shoot and defend the three. Also he won't be very expensive.


Been thinking the same thing for a while now
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Post#33 » by daboywonder2007 » Thu May 28, 2009 2:59 am

the only good thing about sheed is he may come cheap. but to me, he is older, too unselfish and too 3 point happy. not sure if he is the best option. id rather have haslem myself.
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Post#34 » by daboywonder2007 » Thu May 28, 2009 3:08 am

Mike12345 wrote:
stayfly wrote:as a Bucks fan, two big men that I'm confident would help your Cavs out are;

1. Andrew Bogut - excellent rebounder, strong defender, excellent passer, good low-post score. Bogut could be the dominant young center that the Cavs need

2. Charlie V - excellent shooter and scorer, solid in all other areas except can some moments of poor defense and rebounding. Charlie V could get the Cavs 15 to 20 points a night from the power forward spot as a starter or off the bench.


There a defensive team so why would they want charlie v??? Bogut I agree with they need better passing this team has NO CREATORS other then lebron. Thats what has killed many teams with star SG look at tmacs prime in Orlando.

Personally i think they need shotblocking like a tyson chandler type player to ignite the fast break.

SF position is also weak if u have lebron at shooting guard. Id look to move Mo williams for a more pass first point guard, pick up richard jefferson to guard guys like turkolough take the pressure off lebron. Then sign a guy upfront whos similiar to chandler can block shots rebound and dunk


THANK YOU THANK YOU!!. ive been preaching chandler since my first post. lebron wouldnt have to do all the rebounding and shot blocking. cavs would get more 2nd chance points. interior d would improve by a mile and if your worried about chandlers health. well big z has had foot problems also. and he hasn't missed many games. look if shinn is trying to shed salary. cleveland can def make this happen!!!
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Post#35 » by Sofa King » Thu May 28, 2009 5:31 am

Ben B. wrote:Wait, that's a joke, right? It must be. Ben Wallace's expiring deal and Daniel Gibson for Amare? Funniest trade proposal I've ever heard. Much funnier than last trade deadline, when one or two Cavs fans were acting as if JJ Hickson was going to get the Suns' attention because he's the next coming of Karl Malone.

Shaq's realistic. Bogut or CV could definitely help, as the Bucks fan said. But I don't know what the Cavs could offer for either one. Certainly, you have nothing that could net Bogut. That's the problem from having a team that's so focused on one player. Some Bucks fans want to get rid of Michael Redd, and you could try to offer Delonte West and either Big Z or Big Ben. But your defense would go into the toilet.


Yeah, I wasn't serious. It's just as funny as Kwame, Crittenton and picks for Gasol. :lol:

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