T-Mac & Lebron teams

[magickingdom]

This is just for discussion.
The Cav’s remind me of the Magic when we had T-Mac.
When it came to the finals, it really became noticeable that
T-Mac tried to do everything and others ended up standing around
Watching. I mean with all the attention to Him, P. Garrity and
And His 3 point shot should have been an all star, but no.
D. Armstrong should have been better.
My point is, that we could not win because of how good T-Mac
Was. Just like Lebron. They tend to try to take over a game and
Then the other players just stand and watch him.
I know that Lebron has many assists in a game so what I am
Saying is not totally true. But the end results still seem to be the
Same. If you see it this way, how do you fix it? If not, then how
Do you fix it?

[Mike12345]

Mike Brown has made Cleveland a great defensive team, but danny ferry really has done a horrible job regardless of the cavs record.

cleveland has no real shot blockers and creators other then lebron. Thus, lebron does not get that many easy looks because he has do everything (create and score) and in the playoffs he doesnt get enough transition buckets because nobody is shot blocking other then him and maybe the odd time ben wallace.

[TheOUTLAW]

It's the same as it's been ever since we traded Gooden (and possibly before). We need athletic big men that are scoring threats. Other than that, I still think we're okay.

[Pula_86]

Ferry should have tried to move Z and Varejao. Unless Z is hitting his shot consistently he is worthless because he is a defensive liability against everyone. Varajeo is talented, but he is undisciplined defensively and only an average rebounder IMO. He does not have the basketball IQ that the Cavs need to be successful defensively. Joe Smith at least is lanky and contributes offensively and while Ben Wallace is limited offensively, his defense is still excellent.

Fortunately, there are a few nice options that should not be too expensive. Antonio McDyess, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Jermaine O'Neal and Rasheed Wallace will all be free agents. The Cavs should sign Glen Davis or Antonio McDyess for the MLE and then sign Jermaine O'Neal for the veterans minimum if he will sign. I also think that the Cavs should look to sign Dahntay Jones, Von Wafer, and trade their 2nd round pick and cash to Denver for Ronaldo Balkman. Ideally, the Cavs should look to trade for Shaq who only has one year remaining for maybe a future 2nd round pick, Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, and cash considerations. I would even offer a 1st round pick if the team signs a McDyess or Davis.

PG Delonte West/Daniel Gibson
SG Mo Williams/Dahntay Jones/Von Wafer
SF Lebron James/Ronaldo Balkman/Von Wafer
PF Glen Davis/Joe Smith/JJ Hickson
C Shaquille O'Neal/Jermaine O'Neal

[#9]

Ferry should have tried to move Z and Varejao. Unless Z is hitting his shot consistently he is worthless because he is a defensive liability against everyone. Varajeo is talented, but he is undisciplined defensively and only an average rebounder IMO. He does not have the basketball IQ that the Cavs need to be successful defensively. Joe Smith at least is lanky and contributes offensively and while Ben Wallace is limited offensively, his defense is still excellent.

Fortunately, there are a few nice options that should not be too expensive. Antonio McDyess, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Jermaine O'Neal and Rasheed Wallace will all be free agents. The Cavs should sign Glen Davis or Antonio McDyess for the MLE and then sign Jermaine O'Neal for the veterans minimum if he will sign. I also think that the Cavs should look to sign Dahntay Jones, Von Wafer, and trade their 2nd round pick and cash to Denver for Ronaldo Balkman. Ideally, the Cavs should look to trade for Shaq who only has one year remaining for maybe a future 2nd round pick, Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, and cash considerations. I would even offer a 1st round pick if the team signs a McDyess or Davis.

PG Delonte West/Daniel Gibson
SG Mo Williams/Dahntay Jones/Von Wafer
SF Lebron James/Ronaldo Balkman/Von Wafer
PF Glen Davis/Joe Smith/JJ Hickson
C Shaquille O'Neal/Jermaine O'Neal

Sorry for the trolling, but need I remind you that
1.Williams is too short to play the 2 and doesn't have the lateral quicks or height to defend other 2's?

2. Von Wafer is a hothead, and I doubt he'd sign with a team given limited minutes if not at all..

3. Shaq and Jermaine at the same team? with capspace? That's news to me...

[xsabre420]

Um, what is this thread about? T-Mac has never made it out of the first round.

[DowJones]

I don't understand this. Is the OP trying to flame Cleveland? Those TMac teams that Orlando had sucked.

[dunleavyjr]

Um, what is this thread about? T-Mac has never made it out of the first round.

LOL.....

[PocketRockets]

I'm pretty sure the OP just means that this team only has one superstar.....and a lot of other players, which is very true.

You need more than one player. Hell, even Jordan couldn't do it without pippen. =/ If ya'll lose, Ferry will have to gut the team and bring in that other star or overpay some FA to get another piece. You guys already have the best player on earth so that's a lot better than the other 29 teams going into the offseason. =)

[realfung]

LBJ has to play the fastbreak game like he did throughout the season.
SVG just limited Cavs to do very little of that.

Cavs can still win, just one hard win in game 6 in Orlando.

[Mike12345]

Do you guys have any idea how much better your team would be if you had someone other then lebron to create shots for people. Do you know how much better Lebron would be?

On top of that the lack of athleticism shows against orlando, you really need some shotblocking down low.

Bottom line is Mo williams is overated, he excels when lebron creates for him, but he barely creates for anyone as a point guard.

Unfortunately i think Cleveland has no chance at beating orlando because every game has been a struggle there have been no signs that you can take over a game at home or on the road, and orlando has blown plenty of games at home in the playoffs and u guys couldnt steal one.

U match up horribly and if i was Mike Brown I would make drastic changes, i dont care if it means playing Jawad williams or whoever else u got on that bench but Orlando is getting any shot they want and your supporting cast isnt supporting lebron at all. The rotation brown has now cannot beat orlando simple as that

[moocow007]

Ideally, the Cavs should look to trade for Shaq who only has one year remaining for maybe a future 2nd round pick, Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, and cash considerations. I would even offer a 1st round pick if the team signs a McDyess or Davis.

Why would the Suns be interested in a Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic for Shaq deal? A 1st round pick? You mean the last pick in 1st round? All that would do for the Suns is force them to have to pay a guaranteed contract for the next 3 years (roughly what they'd make from the "cash considerations" which would be a max of $3 million). Take that 1st round pick out and they save $4 million ($3 million cash and $1 million difference between the salaries) up front but how much will they lose from a fanbase that will go ballistic with this trade? And what would be the implications to Nash and Amare down the road in what essentially be a miserly short-sighted deal?

[Horcy]

Very good comparision. T-Mac and Lebron are the same kind of "negative leader" or "non positive leader". At least is what I think.They are both great players, Lebron is an elite player, no doubt. But he needs to open his eyes and understand he play with 4 partners on the court.
Right now Orlando and Cleveland and exactly the opposite. Both teams have a leader. The big difference is that Howard shares the leadership and involves his teammates. He knows really well what he's good at and how to make the room to use his partners skills for the best of the team.
Lebron wants to win by himself I don't think he cares if Cleveland wins.
He is an awsome athlete, incredible player, but he needs to grow up and understand he can't win everything by his own. That's my humble opinion cavs fans.
The level of basketball has been amazing through this series, the emotion has been incredible. I hope we have another great game.
peace.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

Very good comparision. T-Mac and Lebron are the same kind of "negative leader" or "non positive leader". At least is what I think.They are both great players, Lebron is an elite player, no doubt. But he needs to open his eyes and understand he play with 4 partners on the court.
Right now Orlando and Cleveland and exactly the opposite. Both teams have a leader. The big difference is that Howard shares the leadership and involves his teammates. He knows really well what he's good at and how to make the room to use his partners skills for the best of the team.
Lebron wants to win by himself I don't think he cares if Cleveland wins.
He is an awsome athlete, incredible player, but he needs to grow up and understand he can't win everything by his own. That's my humble opinion cavs fans.
The level of basketball has been amazing through this series, the emotion has been incredible. I hope we have another great game.
peace.

Are you kidding me? Lebron is the ultimate team player.

[TheOUTLAW]

Wow, Horcy knows nothing about the Cavs and I'd venture from that post he knows very little about basketball.

[Horcy]

Wow, Horcy knows nothing about the Cavs and I'd venture from that post he knows very little about basketball.

I know enough about basketball to talk about it. I know the same about Cavs that I know about every rival in the league. (I'm an Orlando Magic fan). But I'm an NBA fan too and have watched many Cavs games this year. Being an Orlando Magic fan, I know a little more than you what kind of player t-mac is.
It is just my opinion, so at least respect it. If you don't think like I do, there's no problem. But don't make conclusions about me, ok? thanks.

Kobe is a positive leader. He makes everyone around him better.

[Alex_De_Large]

Both are very similar, but Tmac Magic teammates were way worst than the current teammates Lebron has.

[B Mac]

Wow, Horcy knows nothing about the Cavs and I'd venture from that post he knows very little about basketball.

I know enough about basketball to talk about it. I know the same about Cavs that I know about every rival in the league. (I'm an Orlando Magic fan). But I'm an NBA fan too and have watched many Cavs games this year. Being an Orlando Magic fan, I know a little more than you what kind of player t-mac is.
It is just my opinion, so at least respect it. If you don't think like I do, there's no problem. But don't make conclusions about me, ok? thanks.

Kobe is a positive leader. He makes everyone around him better.

This is flat out absurd. Im not sure Ive seen statements that are this incorrect. Outlaw is right, you know nothing about the Cavs.

[Orange Ave.]

I know this... Cleveland lost 1 real game at home this season. Cleveland finished with the best record in the league this season. Cleveland was consistently great. In the playoffs, you decimate your first round opponent, you decimate your second round opponent. Now that you are down 3-1, how does that negate everything else. Maybe Cleveland doesn't match up well against Orlando and that's it. Doesn't mean Cleveland needs to change anything. On top of that, this series could EASILY be a 4-0 sweep for Cleveland already. Sure, no team is perfect, but just because you MAY not match up well against one team doesn't mean your team is not good enough to win it all.

Now if this becomes another Chicago/Cleveland thing, okay, changes need to be made. The Price, Daughtery, Nance thing may need tweaking to get past that one team. But I don't think we are there yet.

If Cleveland is a one man show with four supporting actors... well fine, it's worked out pretty well. And a couple bounces of the ball here and there and it could have been (and could yet prove to be) a perfectly fine way of doing it.

[GoLebron]

Do Orlando fans every watch basketball when the Magic aren't playing?

This is a serious question.