Your style of play is just awful

[DubaLakers]

Lets be real here for a second. We are still one of the best teams in the NBA and did have the best offense in the NBA. The playoffs, however, are all about matchups and unfortunately Orlando is the one team that can flat out kill us. If Boston wins game 7 against Orlando then we roll through them and IMO roll through whoever comes out of the West. We still are an elite team despite the fact that we are losing to Orlando. Is there room for improvement? Of course, but lets not act like we arent still great to begin with.

Here we go...

CLE has the MVP, agreed, and the best home record, but I believe the #1 offense was the LAL, and that's not an opinion, it's measured.

ORL is the one team that can beat you? Really? You played exactly one qualified playoff team and they gave you trouble DET & ATL (Det was already on vacation, and ATL was all injured). The LAL have the best road record. They beat you 2/2 in the regular season, both games were intense, the regular season doesn't matter? All four of those games Bos, CLE were intense tip to buzzer. Lakers won 3/4, the one loss to BOS at home by 1 point. CLE has been exposed in this series for the mvp and nothing else but shooters, you really mean to tell me only ORL would have been a bad matchup? LA would give just your frontline of varejo and big z fits...ab17, pau, lamar...I haven't even mentioned kb24 yet, no need to, no answer for the LAL frontline in CLE.

Ariza who would be more effective than peitrus on lbj, and peitrus held his own, he made the mvp work for his shots, lebron was not doing layup lines like he did the first two rounds.

FYI the east and west flipped this year in the playoffs especially it's a boatload more physical than the east. if lbj gets by orlando hes going to be done for whatever team he faces in the final, dude is killing himself to get these wins the entire fourth he was 1 on 5, wow, impressive.

[GoLebron]

I don't think I've ever encountered a fan-base that complained as much and talked as much trash for no particular reason. At least the Lakers and Celtics fans were just brought up to think their teams are royalty. The Pistons and Cavs were division rivals and played some legit series, plus our fan-bases just did not get along.

Every time I read comments on PD articles or Orlando Sentinal articles, Magic fans are complaining about this lack of respect, lebron getting all the calls, dwight howard not getting any calls. Then they're talking trash about how lebron is overrated, the cavs are nothing except for lebron, mike brown is crappy coach and so on.

You know how they tell players to act like they've been there? I think a lot of Magic fans need to look into it.

The Cavs have been to the ECF and the Finals, taken the Celtics with KG to seven games, come back from an 0-2 deficit to take the pistons in some of their best years to seven games and a finals berth.

I get the point. Magic fans are excited, but that doesn't mean you have to talk senseless trash.

If you want examples:

Well, there's the title of this thread. If memory serves correctly, most analysts hate Orlando's style of play because it's predicated on an incomplete post player and three-point shooting. Where the Pistons have strangled the Magic's three point shooting for two years prior, the cavs defense-first, "lebron-centric" offense has gotten the Cavs to the finals. I also can't stress enough, that the Celtics would have taken the Magic in no more than 5 games with a healthy KG.

In some strange twist on the english language, realfung said that lebron doesn't trust his teammates. Somehow, though, Lebron is averaging 7 ast and had a triple double with 12 assists in game 5, several of which were assists to boobie and mo down the stretch even though boobie has been struggling all year and mo pretty much all series.

Anyway, looking forward to game 6. Much respect to the Magic for playing such a great series so far, but let's keep the faith as cavs fans.

Don't forget what got this team this far. The guys have been playing together and been the best example of a team on and off the court I've seen in a long time, whether it was supporting delonte in the preseason, having loads of fun, celebrating lebron's mvp and MB's COY award, supporting Mo through his slump or taking responsibility for not stepping up in the series - this has been a team through and through.

i feel like this is the time where that togetherness will really shine because nobody on the team wants to let their teammates down. True team bonds can triumph through any adversity.

[TheOUTLAW]

This Cavs team would sweep the Cavs team that made the finals no problem.

Nope. You guys really miss Larry Hughes' defense and Drew Gooden's rebounding and post ability.

To even imply that the previous team is even close to as good as this team is just flat out stupid. Sure we do miss Goodens rebounding but we don't miss his idiocy on the defensive end and the easy baskets he gives up. We miss Hughes defense but we don't miss his completely inability to run an offense and his need to toss up shots that he has no ability to make (oh and not to mention his inability to stick with quick pg's).

[cavsfan_osiris]

Yea the offense has been brutal to watch. Against crappy teams they aren't this ugly. The team is structured around defense though so they aren't going to get in a track meet. Orlando had destroyed the Cavs defense so that's really why they look bad.

The Cavs aren't a team like the Suns used to be where they can make fastbreaks happen even after inbounding the ball. They just don't have good enough passers and ball handlers. Orlando is making everything so that limits open court possibilities. I do agree they need to get into their sets a lot quicker though.

Game 5 they made that adjustment getting into the offense a lot quicker and finally after years of begging they used LeBron in the high post triple threat position. Cleveland fans have been wanting to see more of that for the past 3 seasons now.

Miss Larry Hughes' defense? lol, surely you must be joking

[bballcool34]

We have one of the best offenses in the league, chill out.

Statistically during the regular season, yes.

But against good defensive teams, its not a coincidence that the Cavs continously revert to being dependent on Lebron for every possession- that kind of offense isn't diverse enough to win a championship.

[Pula_86]

I think it is laughable that Magic fans think Lebron is getting favorable calls. Have you noticed all of the missed calls on Dwight Howard. It is almost comical. I will be the first to acknowledge that Varejao flops, but when he is pushing Ben Wallace or Joe Smith over the back on rebounds you have got to call it. That Howard intentionally is swinging his elbows at our guys is also ridiculous and should not be tolerated. Probably the most egregious example of favoritism was in Game 4 when Howard decides to drag Varajeo to the floor to end the 4th quarter. I keep hearing that they were both tangled up, but how is Varejao "tangled up" when he is thrown to the floor. When you throw a guy to the floor whether in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarter it is a foul. It was just shameful the refs were too scared to make the right call.

Except for the past two games regarding Dwight Howard, the refs have done a pretty good job. I see James getting a couple of good calls, but I see Howard getting much more throughout the series. The Magic have nothing to complain about in terms of officiating.

[mg]

I think it's hilarious this thread was started by a fricken' Golden State fan and then the loser fans of other teams, most already long gone from the playoffs, feel the need to chirp in.

[TheOUTLAW]

It is clear that this was always a hater thread. Coming on the heals of a Cavs loss as well as the topic.

[toucansma]

Lets be real here for a second. We are still one of the best teams in the NBA and did have the best offense in the NBA. The playoffs, however, are all about matchups and unfortunately Orlando is the one team that can flat out kill us. If Boston wins game 7 against Orlando then we roll through them and IMO roll through whoever comes out of the West. We still are an elite team despite the fact that we are losing to Orlando. Is there room for improvement? Of course, but lets not act like we arent still great to begin with.

You gotta be kidding! I respect the Cavs and Lebron, but the best offense in the league?? I would not put them anywhere near the top. My team was the best offense in the league and that was after the chaos they had. Most of the Cleveland offense is clear out of the way for Lebron, drive and sometimes kick. Your team needs some imagination, with a lot more cutting and screening. They need another scorer to help Lebron. Look at how tired Lebron got. He cannot be expected to do everything. He needs someone to relieve him. Your team has excellent defense and has many good parts. They just need to get someone to help Lebron and some imagination.

[DubaLakers]

Don't start talking about posters

[northernpuppy]

We have one of the best offenses in the league, chill out.

I don't agree. Almost every Cav possession is built on Lebron creating shots for his teammates directly or indirectly. It looks really taxing on Lebron and in playoff series, a good defensive team should be able to severely limit the efficiency of such an offense. There is nobody else on the Cavs that can break down the defense or demands a double team in the post. And since you don't run, there are no chances to steal a few fastbreak points.

What kind of logic is that? So on a fastbreak where LeBron is a trailer and Delonte rushes a 3-pt attempt, LeBron has created this shot? By the same token you would have to say that all possessions by every team run through a primary "weapon" who directly OR INDRECTLY creates shots. For example, every possession in Orlando runs through Dwight Howard giving looks directly and indirectly for his teammates.
It's just plain ignorant to make statements like that.

IMO, the LeBron exhausted his energy at home in GM 5. He would drive, get the step in the paint and kick out to AV or Z who just weren't hitting their shots. I personally feel if Mo played better in the 1st half (raising team morale) and LeBron went to the charity stripe more, gm 7 would be on monday.

I would also have to disagree with the healthy Boston nonsense. While KG won't hit as many 3's as Rashard (side note: ahahaha), you still have to defend him mid-range. Ray is 2x deadlier than Pietreus and PP is 2x better than Turkoglu, IMO. I don't see the fairness in the comparison after the fact. You got beat by the better team who was able to exploit Cleveland's liabilities over a span of 6 games, not 1.

That said, have a good offseason and don't let the NYK and NJ fans get under your skin re: LBJ in 2010.

[DubaLakers]

Fine. B Mac's post was dead wrong, it required a response.

It's fitting the only two teams that made the Cavs look human are in the Finals. Amazing season by the Cavs. LBJ was truly the MVP, he looked human tonight.

[bay2hk]

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