Why can't Mike Brown change the lineup?

Amon_Ones88 · Post #1 » by **Amon_Ones88** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:17 pm

Why does the line up have to be a set thing every game? I realize the main 5 will be Mo/West/Lebron/AV/Shaq. A lot of people say we need a better PF for the tams with stronger PF like The Spurs or the Lakers or Boston. Well when we play those teams why can't we start Shaq at the 4 and z at the five? The bring in JJ and AV as back ups. Or even move Lebron down and bring in AV and Parker. I do not get why every night (baring any injury) we have to have the same starting five. When we play Orlando I expect Parker to start over west to be able to guard Lewis. I think we have 3 back ups who can all legitimately start (just not all at the same time) in z parker and moon so I expect to use that to our advantage. When we need a certain lineup do to strengths and weaknesses then we better use that line up. AV can start against 25 of the 29 other starting PF in the league so when we play the other four teams start both Shaq and Z and play Shaq at the four. Same with Delonte. He is good enough for all except a few teams that just have too much size for him so on those days start either Moon or Parker or even Wally if we bring him back. So for everyone who thinks our PF situation is too week just remember we do not have to start AV all 82 games. Now with all of that being said I still would like to see Joe Smith in uniform but I am just saying I think if we use this strategy we are ok.

Amon_Ones88 · Post #2 » by **Amon_Ones88** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:21 pm

^^^ Woo that was my 100th post!!!

Big_Aristotle · Post #3 » by **Big_Aristotle** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:50 pm

you cannot play Shaq at 4. Makes absolutely no sense. Shaq is a 100% center, you cannot match him up with quicker PFs.

Niko23 · Post #4 » by **Niko23** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:09 pm

This is the same Mike Brown who played Ira Newble and Eric Snow over Shannon Brown so anything does not shock me when talking about Mike Brown

Pula_86 · Post #5 » by **Pula_86** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:48 pm

I think Brown will have to change the lineup. You have to rest Shaq for the postseason. I am hopefuly that Hickson steps up for and plays big for the Cavs.

landphil · Post #6 » by **landphil** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:50 pm

Which 4 teams do you think AV is weak enough that we need to throw 2 7 footers with 0 mobility out there against? I cant think of one team that would work against?

Also the reason we dont change the lineup willy nilly for which team we are playing is because that would put everything out of whack and people simply dont do that. Some teams match up against us very oddly but that doesnt mean we completely change our lineup for a game or 2 or even a series. This would change the entire team and in my opinion would not be a very good idea. But i understand where you are coming from it just doesnt make sense in the NBA and thats why it doesnt happen.

twinthunder3 · Post #7 » by **twinthunder3** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 am

he needs Mo, West, Lebron, & Shaq for their greatness and he needs Varejao for his flop and dirty plays.

Let's not start the namecalling

Post #8 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:43 am

I've never actually known Varejao to have dirty plays (well except for in that international game a few years ago).

DirtyDez · Post #9 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:56 am

Who are the 5 that finish the game you think? That's more important...

jnester71 · Post #10 » by **jnester71** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:41 am

The answer to your silly question is simple.

You play your best five.
You don't try to adapt to the other team.
You go into a game with the mindset that you will take your game to them, not vice versa.

What your suggesting is almost like the coach saying his best five is not as good as theirs before the game even started.

It doesn't really inspire confidence in anyone or anything. It also breaks up continuity.

Also, when changing the lineup backfired the coach would look like a complete fool. It would be too easy to place all the blame on the coach for changing the lineup. The media, fans and players would all second guess his moves.

Changes can be made at anytime once the game has started. Those type of changes have far less of a chance of bruising egos, hurting chemistry, getting the coach second guessed, etc.

I'd SOOOO settle for Mike Brown being able to tell what is OR ISN'T working once the game has started and then making the appropriate changes for when it matters.

NashtyNas · Post #11 » by **NashtyNas** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:50 am

I think no matter what Parker should start over West to have West go against back up guards and let Parker do his thing alongside the starters. I still think signing Warrick or Joe to start ahead of Varejao would be good because we'd have 3 of our starters from last year in West, Varejao and Z coming off the bench, which tells you we've gotten much deeper, and it's people to rely on when the starters aren't performing, it's like bringing in some more starters.

Williams/Gibson/West
Parker/West/Green
LeBron/Moon/Green
Warrick/AV/Hickson
Shaq/Z/AV

Spadez23 · Post #12 » by **Spadez23** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:35 pm

Im sorry to tell you Cavs fans that Mike Brown isnt the right coach for yall... For yall style I think Mike Fratello would be the best coach because he can get the most out of LeBron's offensive ability or Phil Jackson. Mike Brown isnt the right coach because he doesnt make adjustments and LeBron needs a coach that he can respect...

jnester71 · Post #13 » by **jnester71** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:04 pm

Spadez23 wrote:Im sorry to tell you Cavs fans that Mike Brown isnt the right coach for yall... For yall style I think Mike Fratello would be the best coach because he can get the most out of LeBron's offensive ability or Phil Jackson. Mike Brown isnt the right coach because he doesnt make adjustments and LeBron needs a coach that he can respect...

Well if you said so then it must be true. I for one feel comforted by your sympathy. Thank you.

There may be some very tiny flaws in your thinking though. For instance, Mike Fratello was never known for his offensive prowess and what exactly did he win as a coach?

Phil Jackson, now that was a great choice. Would have never thought of him being a good coach. How did you come up with that?
Why not just say Red Auerbach would be a great coach for us.

It doesn't take much smarts for yall to know that Phil Jackson isn't coming here. Why waste yall time even posting that nonsense.

Gordon Bombay · Post #14 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:17 pm

jnester71 wrote:Why waste yall time even posting that nonsense.

cuz if he didnt, spadez wouldn't post at all

CzBoobie · Post #15 » by **CzBoobie** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:35 pm

jnester71 wrote:Why not just say Red Auerbach would be a great coach for us.

Duuuude, Red is dead...duh.

TheNewEra · Post #16 » by **TheNewEra** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:22 pm

Could Z at the 4 and Shaq at the 5 work in spurts?

Post #17 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:54 pm

Very strange spurts it might.

marc2210 · Post #18 » by **marc2210** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 4:28 am

I dont like starting Varajao with Shaq, since they both can only score near the basket. Varajao should come off the bench with Z. I wouldn't be surprised to see Moon start at PF or Parker at SF sliding Lebron to PF. Maybe even Hickson. I just don't like the majority of Shaq's and Varajao's minutes being together at all.