Big Z for Monta Ellis

[rjgraca]

Nothing changes the fact that Monta is just a plain horrible fit in most team's systems, including ours. He is really in one of the perfect situations for himself and he would be soooo much less effective on pretty much any other NBA team.

+1

Monta is NOT the answer for the CAVs. Your right about Delonte not being comparable old rem, Delonte actually plays good defense and doesn't play in a run and gun offense.

[old rem]

Nothing changes the fact that Monta is just a plain horrible fit in most team's systems, including ours. He is really in one of the perfect situations for himself and he would be soooo much less effective on pretty much any other NBA team.

+1

Monta is NOT the answer for the CAVs. Your right about Delonte not being comparable old rem, Delonte actually plays good defense and doesn't play in a run and gun offense.

Huh? Delonte would barely figure as a rotation player for GSW. The Cavs have nothing to offer for Ellis,so whether they want him or don't...or even have actually SEEN him plat more than once, won't matter. i expect Ellis is an All Star soon. Delonte is good on D? I'd never heard that before.

Ellis is looking very good on D now,since GSW cleaned up a very ineffective system. Ellis can fit in most systems where there's use for a guy who scores 20-25 and is explosive fast with an all round game.

[B Mac]

Nothing changes the fact that Monta is just a plain horrible fit in most team's systems, including ours. He is really in one of the perfect situations for himself and he would be soooo much less effective on pretty much any other NBA team.

+1

Monta is NOT the answer for the CAVs. Your right about Delonte not being comparable old rem, Delonte actually plays good defense and doesn't play in a run and gun offense.

Huh? Delonte would barely figure as a rotation player for GSW. The Cavs have nothing to offer for Ellis,so whether they want him or don't...or even have actually SEEN him plat more than once, won't matter. i expect Ellis is an All Star soon. Delonte is good on D? I'd never heard that before.

Ellis is looking very good on D now,since GSW cleaned up a very ineffective system. Ellis can fit in most systems where there's use for a guy who scores 20-25 and is explosive fast with an all round game.

You havent heard that Delonte is good on D? Im not sure you have actually SEEN Delonte play then. After LeBron he was our best defender last year, and that's saying quite a bit for a team that has consistantly been so good on D.

[vct33]

Why would the Cavs give up a legit 8th man for a guy who would be the 2nd best player on their team? Silly.

[rjgraca]

Nothing changes the fact that Monta is just a plain horrible fit in most team's systems, including ours. He is really in one of the perfect situations for himself and he would be soooo much less effective on pretty much any other NBA team.

+1

Monta is NOT the answer for the CAVs. Your right about Delonte not being comparable old rem, Delonte actually plays good defense and doesn't play in a run and gun offense.

Huh? Delonte would barely figure as a rotation player for GSW. The Cavs have nothing to offer for Ellis,so whether they want him or don't...or even have actually SEEN him plat more than once, won't matter. i expect Ellis is an All Star soon. Delonte is good on D? I'd never heard that before.

Ellis is looking very good on D now,since GSW cleaned up a very ineffective system. Ellis can fit in most systems where there's use for a guy who scores 20-25 and is explosive fast with an all round game.

You are going a little to far here with your obsession with offensive stats here Old Rem.

Yes, I know how you obsess over Monta and made light of his Portland game where defense was not
a priority. When you look at the CAVs game...Monta scored points in volume--- NOT shooting percentage wise and he wasn't stopping anyone on the CAVs. So what value has GSW gotten back for these offensive run and gun enhanced players like Stephen Jackson --- a lot less then you dream with your mind clouded with offensive stats. Monta is also a head case just behind Stephen Jackson...would teams take him? Yes, but like Jackson at a discounted price to justify the risk of his personality and me first attitude.

[vct33]

Monta is also a head case just behind Stephen Jackson...would teams take him? Yes, but like Jackson at a discounted price to justify the risk of his personality and me first attitude.

Ok. Is it possible to get more of a discounted price than trading Zydrunas Ilgauskas? I mean, that's a blue-light special if I've ever seen one.

[vct33]

Nothing changes the fact that Monta is just a plain horrible fit in most team's systems, including ours.

I agree. Ellis doesn't fit in our system because our system is the "put as many scrubs on the floor with LeBron as you can" system.

[mg]

I'm a Monta fan but he's a bad fit on the Cavs. Is Cleveland supposed to start Mo Williams and Monta in the backcourt together? It won't work just like Monta and Curry won't work. Delonte isn't a big guy but he plays tenacious defense for a man his size.

[endlessraine]

lol. next time we play you guys, Monta will torch cavs for 50 pts

[gflem]

So, I guess we can look forward to your posting here when he doesnt?

[Triumph36]

So, I guess we can look forward to your posting here when he does but the Warriors still lose by 20 points?

fyp.

[TheOUTLAW]

lol. next time we play you guys, Monta will torch cavs for 50 pts

Are you kidding me? Heck I can't even remember the last player to put up 40 against the Cavs but I guarantee that players was a darn sight better than Ellis. If I were you, I'd be hoping that the Warriors could get a win against the Cavs since it's been a little while since that happened.

[endlessraine]

I know. A bit of exaggeration but you get the point. Z for Monta is a completely turn down. Very Very disrespectful trade towards the warriors. You're talking about trading a semi retired center who's averaging 7/6 right now, for our young first option offensive weapon. And what are we going to do with him? buy out so he can come back to Cavs? The only way I'll agree to this trade is Z +LBJ for Ellis and Azubukie and fillers. We get a year rental of LBJ and Z while getting rid of our injury players while you can have Ellis and Azu for the future. Everybody knows, LBJ will be out anyways, why not get something from him while you can. I can hardly imagine what Cavs will be like without Lebron.

[TheOUTLAW]

LeBron is actually worth more than everyone in your franchise. While Ellis is putting up nice numbers in your run and gun offensive team, LeBron is the best player in the game.

[L&H_05]

With the way that team defends, LeBron would probably be caught trying to commit suicide by hanging himself in his closet...

[TheOUTLAW]

As always there was the stupid "get something for him while you can argument." First and foremost, if the Cavs traded LeBron they could get something more than Monta, Azubuike and crap for him. That being said, why would the Cavs trade him for players that wouldn't make them significantly better. The high pick that they'd get as a bad team is worth more than the players you are trying to send.

[endlessraine]

Well,
I don't know if any team would give up there #1 option for half a year of lebron and risking their future or rebuilt. Maybe they will, maybe they don't. The thing is, if Cavs were to trade Lebron, most likely and most likely, he would not sign and extension to that team unless it is in his desire to do so. Also, to theOUTLAW, I can not reply to you so I'll say it here. According to you

"Any assumption of LeBron leaving Cleveland without discussion is automatically deemed trolling."

No, assumption is assumption and that is it. It is MY OPINION. How can that be trolling? I'm not here to diss your team and plus Cavs is a great team right now. So don't assume stuffs.

Bottom line: I really don't think there is any trade you guys can do right now with the warriors. Most of our players are injured and plus, you need Z to back up old diesel. Personally, the only players I would give up for Delonte or Z is George, Moore, or Speedy.

[endlessraine]

With the way that team defends, LeBron would probably be caught trying to commit suicide by hanging himself in his closet...

yea, most likely, but Lebron would prolly end up being the all team leading scorer after 5 years. Prolly put up something like 40-50pts a game with Nelli's system.

[old rem]

Whatever....GSW has Ellis and he's a Warrior for the next 5 yr. Nothing the Cavs can offer is of interest.
Nellie will likely be semi-retired after this year. The team will be built to run,will be young + deep.
pretty much all the guys they want to keep will be back.

I can't see most teams paying big for a RENTAL of LeBron or any other guy expected to go FA. It's all about LeBron calling his own shot. Maybe he stays, if not maybe the Cavs salvage something. It's not apt to involve GSW either way.