Could sale of Pistons affect the Cavaliers?

[heathmalc]

Dan Gilbert always wanted to buy the Pistons, but Davidson wouldn't sell. Now that he has passed-away, his widow is seriously considering selling the team. What sort of ramifications could this have on the Cavaliers' franchise, whose owner resides in Michigan, and whose businesses are run out of Michigan?

Could a double sale be made/forged to work?

Could this impact LeBron this summer?

If LeBron leaves the Cavs, does Gilbert try to get the team he always wanted, and sell the Cavs?

What happens if any of these things were to happen?

What other possible issues could the sale of the Pistons cause ?

[TheOUTLAW]

Nonsense

[Rise Against]

The sale of the Pistons will have no effect on the Cavs.

[mg]

Before he bought the Cavaliers Gilbert showed alot of interest in the Pistons. I believe he also made a play for a major league baseball team.

Gilbert has become quite ensconced in NE Ohio the past few years and is highly involved in bringing casinos to the area. No way he sells the Cavs regardless of what happens to LeBron. (I highly doubt LeBron leaves his hometown esp with the new Chinese investors).

[heathmalc]

Before he bought the Cavaliers Gilbert showed alot of interest in the Pistons. I believe he also made a play for a major league baseball team.

Gilbert has become quite ensconced in NE Ohio the past few years and is highly involved in bringing casinos to the area. No way he sells the Cavs regardless of what happens to LeBron. (I highly doubt LeBron leaves his hometown esp with the new Chinese investors).

Yes, he was going to buy the Milwaukee Brewers.

You are also correct about LeBron. He has basically made it known that he will stay with the Cavaliers unless there is something within the organization that makes him change his mind (Gilbert not staying committed; keeping his word) ,The FO not doing as they have promised.

Watch New York and Miami in the coming weeks (particularly NY), they will be doing things unexpected, as they also know that the chances of LeBron going to NY are slim & none.

However, I wanted to do this thread to see what people thought, and to get other writers' opinion(s) of the situation. May not have any affect on the Cavaliers (The sale of the Pistons), but it "could." I like dealing in "if's" when there is enough mitigating circumstances. In this particular situation, there are more than enough reasons to "wonder" about the situation.

[midgman8421]

Heath, we know you like to deal in ifs, as well as flat out lies. However, the sale of the Pistons will have absolutely zero impact on the Cavaliers. Gilbert is a businessman. The Cavs are a better franchise than the Pistons, even if LeBron leaves. He has a great arena downtown, and a successful Cavaliers organization will mean more success for the casino he is so heavily invested in.

Furthermore, it's really, really, really annoying how, whenever people point out how moronic your ideas are, you respond "Oh yeah, I completely agree, I was just repeating what I heard, or I was just seeing if you all agreed with me." You really are a detrimental force wherever you go, and you as an individual bring down the reputation of all Cavs fans.

[TheOUTLAW]

Hey, lets avoid the personal comments. Talk about the post not the poster.

[m23uza1hem36]

Heath, we know you like to deal in ifs, as well as flat out lies. However, the sale of the Pistons will have absolutely zero impact on the Cavaliers. Gilbert is a businessman. The Cavs are a better franchise than the Pistons, even if LeBron leaves. He has a great arena downtown, and a successful Cavaliers organization will mean more success for the casino he is so heavily invested in.

Furthermore, it's really, really, really annoying how, whenever people point out how moronic your ideas are, you respond "Oh yeah, I completely agree, I was just repeating what I heard, or I was just seeing if you all agreed with me." You really are a detrimental force wherever you go, and you as an individual bring down the reputation of all Cavs fans.

Historically, even with LeBron on the team, as of now the Pistons are a much more storied franchise then the Cavaliers, I agree the sale of the Pistons most likely has no impact on the Cavs but I disagree with your comment.

[landphil]

Heath, we know you like to deal in ifs, as well as flat out lies. However, the sale of the Pistons will have absolutely zero impact on the Cavaliers. Gilbert is a businessman. The Cavs are a better franchise than the Pistons, even if LeBron leaves. He has a great arena downtown, and a successful Cavaliers organization will mean more success for the casino he is so heavily invested in.

Furthermore, it's really, really, really annoying how, whenever people point out how moronic your ideas are, you respond "Oh yeah, I completely agree, I was just repeating what I heard, or I was just seeing if you all agreed with me." You really are a detrimental force wherever you go, and you as an individual bring down the reputation of all Cavs fans.

Historically, even with LeBron on the team, as of now the Pistons are a much more storied franchise then the Cavaliers, I agree the sale of the Pistons most likely has no impact on the Cavs but I disagree with your comment.

While we are making ridiculously obvious but ultimately irrelevant comments, i would like to add that the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Clippers, 76ers and a host of other teams have a better history than the cavs and are much more storied franchises.

That being said, obviously this sale has nothing to do with the cavs nor will it.

[midgman8421]

Heath, we know you like to deal in ifs, as well as flat out lies. However, the sale of the Pistons will have absolutely zero impact on the Cavaliers. Gilbert is a businessman. The Cavs are a better franchise than the Pistons, even if LeBron leaves. He has a great arena downtown, and a successful Cavaliers organization will mean more success for the casino he is so heavily invested in.

Furthermore, it's really, really, really annoying how, whenever people point out how moronic your ideas are, you respond "Oh yeah, I completely agree, I was just repeating what I heard, or I was just seeing if you all agreed with me." You really are a detrimental force wherever you go, and you as an individual bring down the reputation of all Cavs fans.

Historically, even with LeBron on the team, as of now the Pistons are a much more storied franchise then the Cavaliers, I agree the sale of the Pistons most likely has no impact on the Cavs but I disagree with your comment.

With the economy the way it is, and the fanbase Gilbert has built around the Cavs, I believe that even if you lose LeBron, the Cavs would be a more profitable franchise than the Pistons.

[CzBoobie]

God no...if LeBron leaves, it's over in Cleveland. Unless it's sign and trade with getting some nice talent back but that's the least likely scenario. LeBron is the Cavs, the value of the Cavs would go down rapidly without him.

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I'd be worried if the Casino proposal got shot down, but it didn't.

Gilbert is here in NE Ohio for the long-haul

[WUJU]

Dan Gilbert always wanted to buy the Pistons, but Davidson wouldn't sell. Now that he has passed-away, his widow is seriously considering selling the team. What sort of ramifications could this have on the Cavaliers' franchise, whose owner resides in Michigan, and whose businesses are run out of Michigan?

Could a double sale be made/forged to work?

Could this impact LeBron this summer?

If LeBron leaves the Cavs, does Gilbert try to get the team he always wanted, and sell the Cavs?

What happens if any of these things were to happen?

What other possible issues could the sale of the Pistons cause ?

Pardon my french Heath, but are you an A$$****?

[mercury]

"David Katzman to Own The Pistons?

by Thomas Knapp
Contributor
Written on February 04, 2010

According to Jeff Moss at the Detroit Sports Rag, his sources tell him that David Katzman, part owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Vice Chairman for Quicken Loans, has ended his association with the companies and related interests. He will become the new owner of the Detroit Pistons, taking over from the Davidson family.

I will edit this article with further information as I acquire it."

Katsman is from the Detroit area... also graduated from Michigan State University

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...diu m=twitter

You guys heard anything about this?

[bstein14]

Pretty interesting stuff.

Good that the team is going to a local Michigan guy for sure.

[Icness]

This does absolutely impact the Cavs, but probably not in the short term, i.e. Lebron. The NBA strongly frowns on transferring owners from one franchise to another, smacks of collusion and price fixing, so Gilbert would have an extremely hard time both selling the Cavs and then buying the Pistons. IIRC the Hornets/Bobcats went thru that and it watered down the value of both franchises.

Keep an eye on the sale price. If it's lower than expected, that means the overall value of other NBA franchises (read: the Cavs) falls as well. With the Cavs being the lowest-valued franchise pre-Lebron, that means any owner is likely to seek out greener pastures once the Lebron run is over and the Q goes back to being half-filled when the Lakers come to town, 1/4 filled for the Bucks or Grizzlies. Y'all probably don't remember but back in most of the 90s and early 00s Joe Tait used to be able to count by hand all the people in the upper bowl. The Cavs made him stop because it was embarrassing. I used to sit in Sec. 131 and my two seats were almost always the only ones in our row that were occupied. Nobody bought jerseys or gear.

Gilbert bought the Cavs high. He could have had it for half the price had he stepped up two years earlier. He is not in the business of losing money, and if overall franchise values fall he will be losing money by keeping the team in Cleveland. I’ve long maintained that there will be no Cleveland Cavaliers within 5 years of Lebron leaving. If the Pistons sell for under perceived market value--and that’s a very likely possibility--say goodbye to the Cavs within the next decade.

[Furrski]

Awfully grim, Iceness. How about a few smiles?



LeBron can keep the party rockin' in C-Town for ten more years!





but I'm enjoying every second of this season.

...and Joe Tait for that matter!

[old skool]

Detroit is one of the top NBA franchises.

According to Forbes magazine in December 2009, Detroit is the 4th most valuable NBA franchise, just a head of Cleveland. Lebron is worth a lot to the Cleveland franchise, but according to Forbes the Cavs barely make money. They only made $5-million in profit last year. Detroit made $46.9-million. This is because the Pistons only take in $12-million a year more than the Cavs, but they spend almost $30-million less per year than the Cavs.

Additionally, the Pistons are not in debt, while the Cavs owe $42-million to creditors.

oLd sKool