Best thing for the Cavs this season...

Skip2MY · Post #1 » by **Skip2MY** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:42 pm

Could this be the best thing that has happened to the Cavs this season...

Not getting Shaq for nothing...

Not getting Jamison for a 1st...

or Getting Big Z back with no questions...

But Toronto Raptors losing streak.

Chris Bosh has some options but I am trying to figure out what his mindset is:

1. This losing streak I think solidifies his definate departure.

2. I doubt he leaves money on the table but if he does I only see one team has a chance... Chicago. I believe Bosh leaves to a contender and NY or NJ aint really it. If they get another Superstar maybe but NJ is the only team that has real pieces but they are so awful. Miami doesnt have anyone on the books so the rest of the team will be minimum players. LAC are set at PF with Blake.

3. So I believe it will be a S&T so no money is left on the table and he still goes to the team he wants and Raptors get some pieces.

a)Chicago doesnt want to give up Noah, but if they have to give up Deng Toronto already have Turk, but maybe they do Hinrich with some of their youth and/or pick.

b)LA Lakers rumor is Bosh for Bynum which I think is a great deal but it is really on Bosh to agree to it.

c) Then its the Cavs which I think have a great chance.

4. Is Bosh agreeing to a S&T. Bosh can pretty much hand pick where he wants to go if he says,"I want to go (put your city here) and work on a S&T to get what you want."

So... for Chicago maybe they got the pieces and he may want to work with tandem that is having a hard time staying in the playoffs right now. Or maybe he wants to go to the Lakers and play with Kobe on the backside of his prime. But I really think he would pick the Cavs and become the nucleus with Lebron and probably win a string of championships. Amare then ends up in Miami with Dwade both injury prone but Amare is from Florida. Not sure if Joe Johnson still goes to NY with no one else going. NJ looks out of luck as well. As could Chicago if Boozer decides to stay in Utah.

fame · Post #2 » by **fame** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:06 am

Toronto is the only team that can offer him an extra year and an extra 30 million dollars. Just like the Cavs with Lebron. So if he leaves the Raptors it would have to be a Sign and Trade, as there's no way he'll be leaving 30 mill on the table just to play for a contender. Especially with the CBA up in the air.

The Cavs don't really have the pieces for a sign & trade to get Bosh. The Raps would likely be looking for a top young player to build around, while The Cavs are a team of veterans and solid roleplayers. It would take someone like Bynum, Noah, etc. The Raps have some leverage as money talks.

VRafa10s · Post #3 » by **VRafa10s** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:46 am

What about JJ + Green? or Varajao? Those are obviously not on the same level as Bosh but I think at some point it'll be pretty clear that Bosh will want to leave Toronto, because he is frustrated and is tired of losing.

LascelleL · Post #4 » by **LascelleL** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:52 am

Bosh isn't going anywhere that has another Superstar. And if he is going to go somewhere it's going to be Miami. Chances are he'll stay. I doubt hes going to abandon the team because they hit a funk that started when their best player was injured.

tidho · Post #5 » by **tidho** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:37 pm

LascelleL wrote:Bosh isn't going anywhere that has another Superstar. And if he is going to go somewhere it's going to be Miami. Chances are he'll stay. I doubt hes going to abandon the team because they hit a funk that started when their best player was injured.

I tend to agree.

Most of the $30M is just the guarenteed additional year. He did leave guarenteed money on the table to sign his first extension, just like LeBron and Wade did.
Unlike Wade, who is 28 and injury prone, I don't think its that unlikly that Bosh would leave withour a sign and trade. He's still young enough that another big contract to make up that money is likely.

Knicks fans have talked about sign and trade possibilities with David Lee. Without any picks to trade that seems like a long shot.
Miami could offer a package around Beasley.
More importantly if its a sign and trade then every team is in contention, not just the usual free agent player.

I don't see the Cavs having enough to make a sign and trade deal. They could offer value, but probably can't outbid other teams.

mcfly1204 · Post #6 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:13 pm

fame wrote:Toronto is the only team that can offer him an extra year and an extra 30 million dollars. Just like the Cavs with Lebron. So if he leaves the Raptors it would have to be a Sign and Trade, as there's no way he'll be leaving 30 mill on the table just to play for a contender. Especially with the CBA up in the air.

The Cavs don't really have the pieces for a sign & trade to get Bosh. The Raps would likely be looking for a top young player to build around, while The Cavs are a team of veterans and solid roleplayers. It would take someone like Bynum, Noah, etc. The Raps have some leverage as money talks.

Toronto would have little to no leverage in a S&T. The main advantage for Toronto is that they get something out of the deal as opposed to nothing.

Skip2MY · Post #7 » by **Skip2MY** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:30 pm

My point exactly, Toronto has no leverage at all because the risk is they lose him for nothing so he has to agree to wherever the S&T is. Unless they are adament and say we are not trading you to Cleveland and rather get nothing which I think is unlikely.

The other reason why he may risk leaving is... everyone is talking about this max deal that they would be losing money but with the rumors of what the free agents will do now is sign max deals with an opt out at the 3-year mark they then only lose raises in their 2nd and 3rd year(since every team can offer the same base year) but when they opt out they sign a max deal afterwards, they recoup the money in their next contract. Essesntially they only lose what less 5 - 10 mil dollars in those raises?

mg · Post #8 » by mg » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:00 pm

With a strong possibility of a new CBA in 2011, I see no way any of these guys leave any money/years on the table. So yeah I think it will take a s&t to land Bosh if indeed he actually does leave Toronto. The Lakers(Bynum), Bulls(Noah), Heat(Beasley), Rockets, and possibly the Knicks(Lee) seem to be the teams that have viable assets to trade for Bosh.

Skip2MY · Post #9 » by **Skip2MY** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:59 am

So if Bosh says he wants to go to Milwaukee(just an example) no matter what and in no way would he want Jennings or Bogut in the deal, Toronto doesnt do a Redd and (2) 1sts or Salmons/ Gadzuric/ Ilyasova and 1st or anything because they arent getting the deal they want? I'm just asking because this is how most teams have made one sided S&T before because the player wanted to go to a specific place and dared to leave money on the table. How is Toronto different?

They will have to take a Jamison/JJ Hickson/ filler/1st for Bosh if Bosh wants to come to Cleveland.

tidho · Post #10 » by **tidho** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:58 pm

Skip2MY wrote:They will have to take a Jamison/JJ Hickson/ filler/1st for Bosh if Bosh wants to come to Cleveland.

I think its a really long shot, but nice dream, that Bosh would demand Cleveland. He will have a say in agreeing to a sign and trade though, and Cleveland could make that short list. We'd still have ot beat out any other team he was interested in (like the Lakers for instance).

The good news is we can matchup the contract as you're suggesting and provide value. Jamison is a one year stop gap then an expiring and Hickson is young and cheap. The money Toroto would be taking on isn't going to scare them away from the deal.

Triumph36 · Post #11 » by **Triumph36** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:51 pm

Skip2MY wrote:So if Bosh says he wants to go to Milwaukee(just an example) no matter what and in no way would he want Jennings or Bogut in the deal, Toronto doesnt do a Redd and (2) 1sts or Salmons/ Gadzuric/ Ilyasova and 1st or anything because they arent getting the deal they want? I'm just asking because this is how most teams have made one sided S&T before because the player wanted to go to a specific place and dared to leave money on the table. How is Toronto different?

They will have to take a Jamison/JJ Hickson/ filler/1st for Bosh if Bosh wants to come to Cleveland.

No they won't. They aren't going to add Jamison's bad contract to the garbage they already have.

TeamMago7 · Post #12 » by **TeamMago7** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:34 pm

Triumph36 wrote:
Skip2MY wrote:So if Bosh says he wants to go to Milwaukee(just an example) no matter what and in no way would he want Jennings or Bogut in the deal, Toronto doesnt do a Redd and (2) 1sts or Salmons/ Gadzuric/ Ilyasova and 1st or anything because they arent getting the deal they want? I'm just asking because this is how most teams have made one sided S&T before because the player wanted to go to a specific place and dared to leave money on the table. How is Toronto different?

They will have to take a Jamison/JJ Hickson/ filler/1st for Bosh if Bosh wants to come to Cleveland.
No they won't. They aren't going to add Jamison's bad contract to the garbage they already have.

How dare you disrespect garbage like that?