Game 4: Cavaliers @ Celtics - Sun, May 9, 3:30pm [ABC]

[kiwibrindle]

As we all heard in the movie the Waterboy:

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

Seriously,

I wonder the way both teams play so differently: Game one Boston looks like they played half a game, Game two the Cavs look hung over from MVP parties all night, game three Boston looks like they ate too much, game four we look uniterested. Does anyone else out there see that this is a big moneymaker series for the NBA and the league would benefit from a longer series? I have to wonder or if the Cavs and Boston really do not come to play 100% of the time. I think James the last two games has brought it but who else is pissed off at the lack of intensive from the rest of the team? Damn it If I was the coach and saw Mo no able to guard and shoot, and I'd start Delante just to send a message to the whole team. And if that did not work I'd start LBJ at the one and Hickson at the 4 and Jamison at the three but damn I'd at least be trying some new things. More and More w/o Bron we suck big.

[RRT]

Cleveland fans, dont you dare complain about officating! I could care less about boston or cleveland, but Lebron can push, pull, hack, or punch and no foul will be called, but as soon as someone gets within two inches of him its a foul. I mean half of these so called run down blocks from behind are easy call foul but no. Lebron is the NBAs money maker! Said what the nba has to do to make sure the Star can keep bringing in the money!

Oh and Lebron and Duncan should be buddies cause they whine and whine about everything. So sad! Actually I think lebron has passed up duncan as the biggest whiner which i thought was impossible!

Do you watch basketball or do you just skim through it? Do you know the actual rules of it? No I don't think you do. You in the group with people who think not taking dribble right before a layup is traveling.

As we all heard in the movie the Waterboy:

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

Seriously,

I wonder the way both teams play so differently: Game one Boston looks like they played half a game, Game two the Cavs look hung over from MVP parties all night, game three Boston looks like they ate too much, game four we look uniterested. Does anyone else out there see that this is a big moneymaker series for the NBA and the league would benefit from a longer series? I have to wonder or if the Cavs and Boston really do not come to play 100% of the time. I think James the last two games has brought it but who else is pissed off at the lack of intensive from the rest of the team? Damn it If I was the coach and saw Mo no able to guard and shoot, and I'd start Delante just to send a message to the whole team. And if that did not work I'd start LBJ at the one and Hickson at the 4 and Jamison at the three but damn I'd at least be trying some new things. More and More w/o Bron we suck big.

I agree with the series part but this isn't your personal season on NBA 2k video game, you just don't do stuff like. "start delonte", or. "start lebron at 1", or "start jamison on 3 and hickson on 4". That's like Lakers starting Shannon Brown instead of Fisher during OKC series, or starting Kobe on 1 and then putting Artest at 2, Odom on 3, and etc. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

[TheOUTLAW]

Cleveland fans, dont you dare complain about officating! I could care less about boston or cleveland, but Lebron can push, pull, hack, or punch and no foul will be called, but as soon as someone gets within two inches of him its a foul. I mean half of these so called run down blocks from behind are easy call foul but no. Lebron is the NBAs money maker! Said what the nba has to do to make sure the Star can keep bringing in the money!

Oh and Lebron and Duncan should be buddies cause they whine and whine about everything. So sad! Actually I think lebron has passed up duncan as the biggest whiner which i thought was impossible!

Nobody whines as much as Boston. Both the fans and the team going back to Bird whine about everything. The only reason they lose is because of the refs and yet they win because of their "stellar" play. The team fouls constantly. But, that is their style, they don't get nearly as many fouls as they should. I wasn't even complaining so much as making an observation. The difference is that the Cavs challenge the ball, the Celtics challenge the body. What you are referring to was a play during the game in which a foul was called. Clearly you guys have no idea what you are talking about it you think that was complaining.

[sutrick]

There is no doubt that Boston fans are the biggest whiners about officiating. However, to be fair to Boston fans, anyone who grew up listening to Tommy H. whine constantly every game for years would believe the officials were always against their team. Anyone with NBA League Pass knows this. He makes watching the Celtics very difficult for the non-Celtics fan or an independent observer.

[Icness]

Once again Lebron doesn't handle the task of creating offense down the stretch very well. It's not all his fault but the Cavs have got to do more in close games than just give Lebron the ball and iso him on the high right side. It kills movement and it's fairly easy to bring help and defend. Look at some of those possessions down the stretch--Lebron dribbles the ball to 8 sec. on the shot clock with nobody else moving at all, then all of the sudden someone flashes him a screen and the guys on the baseline try to guess which way he's going. That happens way too much. That 15' jumper Varejao missed is a great example--he should be crashing the basket, but because Lebron dawdled too much it threw everyone else off and Andy catches the ball there and has to shoot.

I so desperately want Mike Brown to command that Mo handle the ball and they run more standard offensive sets in crunch time. Let Lebron come off a screen at the elbow, get Jamison the ball on the baseline and let him read the defense, allow for some offensive rebounding, etc. This exact same crap happened last year and the Cavs haven't learned from it. Lebron needs to understand it isn't working no matter how amazing he might be.

[jaypo]

I found it ironic that Andy was called for a moving screen yesterday. I ask a favor of all you fans, boston and cleveland- in the next game, pay special attention to the screens set by Boston. ALL OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL!!! Yet, Andy gets called for it, but nobody on the Celts do. I watched as Garnette pushed Parker into a Celtic, and they called Parker for the foul! That kind of crap happens every trip down the floor!

Just pay attention next game. You'll see.

[KrazySixersD]

had to chime in... dwight howard is easily... EASILY the biggest winer and baby in the nba... and its not even close

[gflem]

Once again Lebron doesn't handle the task of creating offense down the stretch very well. It's not all his fault but the Cavs have got to do more in close games than just give Lebron the ball and iso him on the high right side. It kills movement and it's fairly easy to bring help and defend. Look at some of those possessions down the stretch--Lebron dribbles the ball to 8 sec. on the shot clock with nobody else moving at all, then all of the sudden someone flashes him a screen and the guys on the baseline try to guess which way he's going. That happens way too much. That 15' jumper Varejao missed is a great example--he should be crashing the basket, but because Lebron dawdled too much it threw everyone else off and Andy catches the ball there and has to shoot.

I so desperately want Mike Brown to command that Mo handle the ball and they run more standard offensive sets in crunch time. Let Lebron come off a screen at the elbow, get Jamison the ball on the baseline and let him read the defense, allow for some offensive rebounding, etc. This exact same crap happened last year and the Cavs haven't learned from it. Lebron needs to understand it isn't working no matter how amazing he might be.

Exactly, and to add, why in the hell didnt Lebron post up Ray Allen? Either he refuses, or M Brown is a complete and total defensive savant, meaning he doesnt know sh(t about offense. Lebron has what, 40 to 50 lbs and 3 inches on Allen? And can outjump him by at least a foot if not more. So the plan was to play Lebron 25 feet away from the hoop when Ray was guarding him? Brilliant.
Post him up in that situation, and when they are forced to double (which they will have to) send a cutter or multiple cutters (Antawn, Andy, JJ) through the lane. It really isnt hard, in fact it is elementary.

[OB- wan]

I found it ironic that Andy was called for a moving screen yesterday. I ask a favor of all you fans, boston and cleveland- in the next game, pay special attention to the screens set by Boston. ALL OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL!!! Yet, Andy gets called for it, but nobody on the Celts do. I watched as Garnette pushed Parker into a Celtic, and they called Parker for the foul! That kind of crap happens every trip down the floor!

Just pay attention next game. You'll see.

Hard to understand why Cleveland fans would criticize the officiating.

Isn't it obvious the refs are clearly taking care of Cleveland? Phantom call on BB when Shaq flopped on what should have been a dunk but the old guy can't elevate anymore. Not to mention LBJ gets calls that Jordan would be envious of.

The C's have no real shot at winning this series and one reason lies with the officiating.

[jaypo]

Actually, when Shaq went up to dunk, Big Baby had his forearm on Shaq's waist and pushed him. It was clearly a foul. The replay showed it. Secondly, when Jamison went up for a shot, Garnette punched him in the ribs hard enough for Jamison to favor them on the trip down court. No call. Third, EVERY FUGGIN SCREEN BOSTON SETS IS ILLEGAL!!!!! But they called Andy for a moving screen. Lastly, about 4 of Shaq's fouls were when he jumped straight up and the offensive player initiated the contact.

So don't give me the "officials favor the Cavs" crap. Because if that were the case, the Cavs would have wrapped this series up already.

[TheOUTLAW]

Yeah jaypo, but Celtics fans will live and die with this all being biased towards the Cavs. They can't see it any other way. I'm not even saying that the refs are biased at all, just that it's ridiculous how much Boston fans are whining about how biased it is against them.

[gflem]

Also, dont forget how they complain that all the Cavs (Andy in particular) do is flop. Rondo, Allen, and even Big Baby were all over the floor, almost every time they shot. I look at it this way, if the refs are going to call a foul on Shaq every time he challenges a shot he should be totally wiping people out.
If the Celts want to fall down every time our defenders come near them we should make them feel the contact they seem to be asking for. How many Garnett cheap shots go uncalled? Ridiculous that the Celts fans think they are getting jobbed by the refs. I guess they are so used to getting the royal treatment (pun intended) that they feel entitled to set moving picks and being allowd to cheap shot the opponent with immunity.