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Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs?

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Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#1 » by slicedbread2 » Sun Mar 9, 2014 1:53 am

Hey guys. How's it going? I personally wanted to know as to whether or not it was the right choice for this team to push for the playoffs at this point. Here'd be my reasons why they should have and why they shouldn't have.

Why they should have:

The team has pretty much decided that in order to save face on what has so far been a disaster of a season, they decided to make some moves that could have helped the team. Plus making the playoffs could boost team morale although they are more likely to get crushed by Indiana/Miami since at best this is a fringe playoff team that could get the 8th seed, 7th at best, though then again they are pushing their luck. Plus you want to start creating a winning atmosphere and show you are making progress and maybe convince Kyrie to stay here since you pretty much control his rights and his camp knows that the new CBA makes it hard to leave unless you suck or if it reaches a breaking point where you don't report to training camp. And truth be told, it wouldn't be difficult to get into the playoffs since all you need is a little winning streak and you are in since it is the East after all though they have a difficult stretch for the rest of the month so this is probably make it or break it at this point against teams like Phoenix, LAC, GS, Phoenix, Houston and teams that are pushing for the playoffs. If they make it, maybe LeBron comes back here although he doesn't really have much incentive to leave right now at this point plus the Cavaliers are a mess.

Why they shouldn't have:

My choice leans more into this type of side since the Cavs should be looking somewhat towards next year and into the long run as to who fits here and who doesn't. The trade deadline I felt was really questionable. Personally they should not have traded for Hawes since even though they gave up really a couple of second rounders and expirings, Hawes most likely will go elsewhere unless his salary demands turn off most of the league or if he's willing to take less to play for a contender. They should have accepted the Jack for Terry deal since they'd easily be able to coerce Terry into a buyout and let him go elsewhere plus they'd cut their losses on Jack since he doesn't really fit this team and he's better off on a team in a better position like Brooklyn. They should have traded Deng and there were two suitors apparently for him: Memphis and Phoenix. I'd have taken the Phoenix deal where Okafor and a late first rounder came back. I'd probably ask for a second as well, but due to Deng's play in Cleveland, getting a late first was about as good as it would get. Plus he's pretty much stated that he's going to FA and will go elsewhere, so why not get another expiring and a pick back for this year's draft.

If they had done this, I would have paired Irving and Waiters back together to see whether or not the 2 could play together since hopefully the rift has healed. If it hasn't and these two can't play together, I'd consider looking to move Waiters at the draft in the right deal. I would have given Bennett more playing time since he's been so mismanaged from the get-go and really the whole team has been. I'd look into finding a solid deal for Andy where he could go to a contender and get back some pieces that could help for the future. Boy did Grant screw up badly in this.

:( Sorry if my post is too long, but personally had to get it out there. What do you guys think?
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#2 » by TheOUTLAW » Sun Mar 9, 2014 2:11 am

Its always the right choice to try to better yourteam. I have no problemwith any of the Cavs moves. Too bad they didn't work
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#3 » by KuruptedCav » Sun Mar 9, 2014 2:26 pm

1) the assets traded were minimal, additional rookies in 2015 & 2016 were not going to aid the situation with Irving, Thompson, Waiters, Zeller, Karasev, Bennett and the 5 picks over the next 2 years.

2) the addition of Hawes showed some very important things. That Thompson is not a quality NBA starter, and that Irving, like James before him, is significantly more productive with adequate floor spacing.

3) Deng has not worked out.

4) Draft position has moved from 5th to 8th, hardly the end of the world when competing against such excellent tankers.
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#4 » by Niko23 » Sun Mar 9, 2014 3:07 pm

Yes....because we could still get a decent pick in this draft if we keep crapping ourselves.
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#5 » by SmoothKobra » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:47 pm

Right choice to push for playoffs, wrong to rehire Brown and sign the 2013 free agents. We should have resigned Speights/Ellington/Livingston. Then hired any other coach in America.
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#6 » by toooskies » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:44 pm

Right decision.

Specifically, the Deng trade was a good trade because Sacramento will never be good, so the big pick is going to end up being a 2nd rounder. Also, we get to see how he'd work in the Cleveland system, which I'd rather know before signing him to a big contract rather than after. Also, his FA value has gone down due to his play here; maybe we can sign him cheaply.

The Hawes trade was good because I think he's a good fit on the roster. If we can manage to keep him, he'll be a positive influence next year. And given that he's seen the bottoming out of Philly, he might even stay.
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#7 » by jbk1234 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:50 am

SmoothKing32 wrote:Right choice to push for playoffs, wrong to rehire Brown and sign the 2013 free agents. We should have resigned Speights/Ellington/Livingston. Then hired any other coach in America.


Agree with pretty much everything except Speights (and maybe Brown). Speights spends far too much time away from the basket for a big man and it's not like he is a knock down shooter.
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#8 » by slicedbread2 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:10 am

I suppose it's the right choice since what else could they have done. I think Hawes could stay though what would be a reasonable deal for him? He's a 7 footer who can provide spacing and if Brown was canned, who'd be the best choice for this squad? I'd go for Stan Van Gundy since he's been pretty good at developing talent and was able to get the most out of Dwight before he pulled a hissy fit.

The trade for Deng was all right since they pretty much in essence traded 3 second rounders for him and Bynum.
A shame he hasn't worked out though. He's probably going elsewhere since he wants to win and Cleveland seems far from contending. What has he done wrong so far in Cleveland? Is his skill-set a mismatch, has he under-performed or something?

I don't Jack has been the right fit for this team sadly and if I were Cleveland, I would have taken the Brooklyn deal and bought out Terry since Jack's skillset is more meant for a contending squad plus Terry's deal expires sooner. Other than that, I think they could be ok. I'm really shocked that they let Livingston go especially the way he's performing. Gotta root for a guy with bad luck whose managed to turn it around and hopefully will have a productive career.
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Re: Was it the right choice to push for the playoffs? 

Post#9 » by JonFromVA » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:49 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Its always the right choice to try to better yourteam. I have no problemwith any of the Cavs moves. Too bad they didn't work


They haven't worked in that it doesn't look like we're going to make the playoffs, and we haven't yet signed either Deng or Hawes; but we still might, and Deng came to us as damaged goods.

The main thing is that at least the team is trying and learning. If we continued tanking, the team was going to implode.

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