Cavs, Others, Meet With LeBron's Agent.

[kiwibrindle]

All I know is Hawes is gone most likely so is Deng , we have no starting 3 or 5 , and everyone is still focused on Ladouchebag. I'm sure he's dragging things out just to screw Gilbert

Prediction Kobe will have the big 4 in LA.

Why because it's the best for the league to make more money

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

All I know is Hawes is gone most likely so is Deng , we have no starting 3 or 5 , and everyone is still focused on Ladouchebag. I'm sure he's dragging things out just to screw Gilbert

Prediction Kobe will have the big 4 in LA.

Why because it's the best for the league to make more money

We never needed Hawes or Deng back anyway

Wiggins is a 3, we need to start acting like it. I'm not concerned about weight, Durant was 215 & isn't much more now. Waiters should be starting.

[kiwibrindle]

Still no five

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

Still no five

I'd be in no rush, just let the market come to us, worst case scenario we play TT more at center this year.

[Niko23]

I almost kinda wish we just freaking signed Hayward and be done with all this damn speculation......

[PDXKnight]

LA just offered 'Melo a big contract. LA FO types are in Cleveland talking to James' agent.

James to the Lakers? Not. Bloody. Likely.

James wants max, they can't offer 2 maxes, LeBron isn't going there without Melo, they offered a max to Melo.

I'll just go ahead and dq LA as a possibility now.

Mavs out the picture, rockets out the picture.

down to phx/cle/miami i guess.

must stay away.

Agreed. Phoenix is a wild-card. I could see him going there.

Phx has dragic and Bledsoe but outside of them there isn't nba all star talent IMO. If I were lebron I'd go to Cleveland before I went to phx hands down for 2 reasons:
1) easier conference as has been mentioned
2) better front court talent. Phx has a great backcourt but compared to Cleveland their front court stacks up miserably. Wiggins Varajao and Thompson will give your team a ton of front court depth and if markets weren't a factor lebron would have already signed a deal with the cavs. Still though as others have said I think it's the cavs and heat.

[SarcasticSun]

Clearly this list is correct. Dragic is not better than Rose, the man who hasn't played at all, or even wade, who only played half of last season. Clearly, we have to live in the past and remember that there once was a time Kobe, Wade, and Rose were top 20. Forget about the terrible/nonexistent season those three just put together and live in the past. And why wouldn't we live in the past? If we didn't then trying to keep Dragic off the top 20 list would fail, duh. It is necessary for us to deny what is obvious, because we cannot accept being wrong and losing to those smug message board men. Why else do you think we had to reach and put Lowry in the top 20? Times are tough. Lastly, remember to deny that Dragic and Lillard are a wash and have identical statistics...wouldn't want to be wrong now would we. Phoenix is a terrible franchise and will never get LeBron, he obviously wants to play for the mighty Cavaliers team who will probably surround him with amazing talent again, talent like Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Michael Jordan, and Luke Walton. Can't wait to prove these guys wrong.

I listed 32 players, and said there werent 20 people on that list who he was better than. Even if you take off Kobe, Wade, Rose, Lowry, and Lillard that still leaves 28 other guys on that list. I think there is a legitimate case that Dragic is better than 3 to 4 more of those players, which is why I originally said I have him 25th or 26th in the league.


Otherwise, I can deal without all of the other garbage in the post. Usually I find that if you dont have a solid argument, leaning heavily on sarcasm is a major crutch. Is it too much to ask to have a genuine debate without insults?


Personally I have a tough time not ranking Wade and Lillard slightly above him. People will remember Wade in the Finals and say that is the player he is, but you cant forget what he did in the playoffs to help get the Heat to the Finals, plus the many nights he carried the team during the regular season. Also, Lillard had a very similar statline to Dragic, and is many years younger. They might be about a wash currently, but I expect that to change very shortly. I'll give you Kobe. While still an amazing talent, he's older and has had some major injuries. Still a top 30 player to me if he comes back even close to healthy. Lowry might surprise a lot of people with how good of a season he had up North. I do have Dragic in front of him, but its a lot closer than might be expected.

Once again, I welcome debates, but insulting our team is going to have to stop on our board.

Ah, the old name 20 players, then list 30. Classic. You got me. I will also use my sarcasm crutch a bit further here, thanks. You're right. Dragic is not top 20. No matter what the experts say, voting him top 15 and what not with their silly All NBA teams. No one cares about those anyways, and its not like the people who vote on those are getting paid to follow the NBA or anything. Good thing I have my crutch to lean on, otherwise this arguing stuff would just reveal that my opinion, which has NBA experts agreeing with me, was terrible, right?

[BossHoggin]

Clearly this list is correct. Dragic is not better than Rose, the man who hasn't played at all, or even wade, who only played half of last season. Clearly, we have to live in the past and remember that there once was a time Kobe, Wade, and Rose were top 20. Forget about the terrible/nonexistent season those three just put together and live in the past. And why wouldn't we live in the past? If we didn't then trying to keep Dragic off the top 20 list would fail, duh. It is necessary for us to deny what is obvious, because we cannot accept being wrong and losing to those smug message board men. Why else do you think we had to reach and put Lowry in the top 20? Times are tough. Lastly, remember to deny that Dragic and Lillard are a wash and have identical statistics...wouldn't want to be wrong now would we. Phoenix is a terrible franchise and will never get LeBron, he obviously wants to play for the mighty Cavaliers team who will probably surround him with amazing talent again, talent like Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Michael Jordan, and Luke Walton. Can't wait to prove these guys wrong.

I listed 32 players, and said there werent 20 people on that list who he was better than. Even if you take off Kobe, Wade, Rose, Lowry, and Lillard that still leaves 28 other guys on that list. I think there is a legitimate case that Dragic is better than 3 to 4 more of those players, which is why I originally said I have him 25th or 26th in the league.


Otherwise, I can deal without all of the other garbage in the post. Usually I find that if you dont have a solid argument, leaning heavily on sarcasm is a major crutch. Is it too much to ask to have a genuine debate without insults?


Personally I have a tough time not ranking Wade and Lillard slightly above him. People will remember Wade in the Finals and say that is the player he is, but you cant forget what he did in the playoffs to help get the Heat to the Finals, plus the many nights he carried the team during the regular season. Also, Lillard had a very similar statline to Dragic, and is many years younger. They might be about a wash currently, but I expect that to change very shortly. I'll give you Kobe. While still an amazing talent, he's older and has had some major injuries. Still a top 30 player to me if he comes back even close to healthy. Lowry might surprise a lot of people with how good of a season he had up North. I do have Dragic in front of him, but its a lot closer than might be expected.

Once again, I welcome debates, but insulting our team is going to have to stop on our board.

Ah, the old name 20 players, then list 30. Classic. You got me. I will also use my sarcasm crutch a bit further here, thanks. You're right. Dragic is not top 20. No matter what the experts say, voting him top 15 and what not with their silly All NBA teams. No one cares about those anyways, and its not like the people who vote on those are getting paid to follow the NBA or anything. Good thing I have my crutch to lean on, otherwise this arguing stuff would just reveal that my opinion, which has NBA experts agreeing with me, was terrible, right?

you're trying too hard, just go home to your own board and sulk.

[King Stannis]

I listed 32 players, and said there werent 20 people on that list who he was better than. Even if you take off Kobe, Wade, Rose, Lowry, and Lillard that still leaves 28 other guys on that list. I think there is a legitimate case that Dragic is better than 3 to 4 more of those players, which is why I originally said I have him 25th or 26th in the league.


Otherwise, I can deal without all of the other garbage in the post. Usually I find that if you dont have a solid argument, leaning heavily on sarcasm is a major crutch. Is it too much to ask to have a genuine debate without insults?


Personally I have a tough time not ranking Wade and Lillard slightly above him. People will remember Wade in the Finals and say that is the player he is, but you cant forget what he did in the playoffs to help get the Heat to the Finals, plus the many nights he carried the team during the regular season. Also, Lillard had a very similar statline to Dragic, and is many years younger. They might be about a wash currently, but I expect that to change very shortly. I'll give you Kobe. While still an amazing talent, he's older and has had some major injuries. Still a top 30 player to me if he comes back even close to healthy. Lowry might surprise a lot of people with how good of a season he had up North. I do have Dragic in front of him, but its a lot closer than might be expected.

Once again, I welcome debates, but insulting our team is going to have to stop on our board.

Ah, the old name 20 players, then list 30. Classic. You got me. I will also use my sarcasm crutch a bit further here, thanks. You're right. Dragic is not top 20. No matter what the experts say, voting him top 15 and what not with their silly All NBA teams. No one cares about those anyways, and its not like the people who vote on those are getting paid to follow the NBA or anything. Good thing I have my crutch to lean on, otherwise this arguing stuff would just reveal that my opinion, which has NBA experts agreeing with me, was terrible, right?

you're trying too hard, just go home to your own board and sulk.

No need for insults by any party. We'll have our answer soon enough.

[BossHoggin]

I've now seen the light and will no longer call out people on their ****.

[kiwibrindle]

[quote="KI-DW-TT-AB"][quote="kiwibrindle"]Still no five[/quote]

I'd be in no rush, just let the market come to us, worst case scenario we play TT more at center this year.[/quote]

Really?

Wow you much be a masacist

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

Still no five

I'd be in no rush, just let the market come to us, worst case scenario we play TT more at center this year.

Really?

Wow you much be a masacist

Quite the opposite actually, right now the teams are looking to rape us on the trade value followed by a catastrophic mike brown induced year, I'm not going to jump the guy to overpay anyone nor I'll trade anyone for 50c on a dollar, & what's worse is some of these teams are trying to trade 10c for a dollar & the that's the value majority of the public perceives.