Cavs Regular Season

[Stillwater]

so now we have no pg that isn't hurt... trade coming?

With Rose possibly retiring, I'd be open to trade but I don't really see anyone worthwhile being available. Maybe something around Rubio for Shump.

I'd trade both IT & the Brooklyn pick for Kemba but I don't think Charlotte would.

yeah it's difficult to gauge what Utah would want for Rubio or if they are willing to move him despite the slow start since Gobert went down.
Rubio is locked in through next season though so if they would take Shumpert(which I question with his contract and his po next summer if they are cashing it in on this season given the roster has guards Hood,Mitchel,Burks in the rotation without Rubio) It would make sense for us as Rubio is a better passer and as good of a defender for sure. Couldn't switch him like we do Shumpert though so I don't know how much else we would give up(Crowder's great contract and Frye for example) if they don't want Shumpert.
Charlotte is a difficult team to gauge as well, as Kemba is their best player and the team itself is pretty solid just never is consistent.
I agree they are unlikely to part with him unless the season takes a downturn worse than it is.

Not much out there though for sure. Might have to move Crowder which I'm not so sure we would do despite his struggles.
maybe something like this: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6969489
gives us an athletic young pg in Mudiay who can defend and a scoring punch off the bench in Barton.
Denver might do this type of deal as Mudiay is not as good as his draft position and Barton is expendable to some degree while they are grooming Murray Harris and Beasley.

[jbk1234]

so now we have no pg that isn't hurt... trade coming?

With Rose possibly retiring, I'd be open to trade but I don't really see anyone worthwhile being available. Maybe something around Rubio for Shump.

I'd trade both IT & the Brooklyn pick for Kemba but I don't think Charlotte would.

yeah it's difficult to gauge what Utah would want for Rubio or if they are willing to move him despite the slow start since Gobert went down.
Rubio is locked in through next season though so if they would take Shumpert(which I question with his contract and his po next summer if they are cashing it in on this season given the roster has guards Hood,Mitchel,Burks in the rotation without Rubio) It would make sense for us as Rubio is a better passer and as good of a defender for sure. Couldn't switch him like we do Shumpert though so I don't know how much else we would give up(Crowder's great contract and Frye for example) if they don't want Shumpert.
Charlotte is a difficult team to gauge as well, as Kemba is their best player and the team itself is pretty solid just never is consistent.
I agree they are unlikely to part with him unless the season takes a downturn worse than it is.

Not much out there though for sure. Might have to move Crowder which I'm not so sure we would do despite his struggles.
maybe something like this: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6969489
gives us an athletic young pg in Mudiay who can defend and a scoring punch off the bench in Barton.
Denver might do this type of deal as Mudiay is not as good as his draft position and Barton is expendable to some degree while they are grooming Murray Harris and Beasley.

Mudiay is still way too green to play on a contending team.

[Stillwater]

With Rose possibly retiring, I'd be open to trade but I don't really see anyone worthwhile being available. Maybe something around Rubio for Shump.

I'd trade both IT & the Brooklyn pick for Kemba but I don't think Charlotte would.

yeah it's difficult to gauge what Utah would want for Rubio or if they are willing to move him despite the slow start since Gobert went down.
Rubio is locked in through next season though so if they would take Shumpert(which I question with his contract and his po next summer if they are cashing it in on this season given the roster has guards Hood,Mitchel,Burks in the rotation without Rubio) It would make sense for us as Rubio is a better passer and as good of a defender for sure. Couldn't switch him like we do Shumpert though so I don't know how much else we would give up(Crowder's great contract and Frye for example) if they don't want Shumpert.
Charlotte is a difficult team to gauge as well, as Kemba is their best player and the team itself is pretty solid just never is consistent.
I agree they are unlikely to part with him unless the season takes a downturn worse than it is.

Not much out there though for sure. Might have to move Crowder which I'm not so sure we would do despite his struggles.
maybe something like this: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6969489
gives us an athletic young pg in Mudiay who can defend and a scoring punch off the bench in Barton.
Denver might do this type of deal as Mudiay is not as good as his draft position and Barton is expendable to some degree while they are grooming Murray Harris and Beasley.

Mudiay is still way to green to play on a contending team.

Who isn't really at that age unfortunately. He gets to the charity stripe and has an elite motor. I thought he would have been serviceable and not so entitled to accept a backup role when IT returns.
There just isn't much veteran options available. Thought initially of Chalmers as a stop gap but looks like he is starting with Conley out.

[gflem]

Wiretap says Rose nearing possible return. Do we really need him? Even with the injuries we have would he even see the court? I guess he can sit on the bench and collect his contract but I don't think he has any clue on how to fit in and be a complimentary player. Sitting and watching D Wade might do his some good though, I guess he would be insurance in case of any more injuries.

[Stillwater]

Wiretap says Rose nearing possible return. Do we really need him? Even with the injuries we have would he even see the court? I guess he can sit on the bench and collect his contract but I don't think he has any clue on how to fit in and be a complimentary player. Sitting and watching D Wade might do his some good though, I guess he would be insurance in case of any more injuries.

This is a tough sell considering the winning streak with of all the players the lowly Jose Calderon.
Idk because as old and slow as calderon is, he has a much better bb iq at the 1 for the first unit and despite his age has been playing with a lot of fire defensively which is not close to how DRose plays defense despite being more capable when motivated until IT4 returns.
Rose obviously is a major injury risk and might not be worth trying to implement into any schemes we use
at least not as a starter, and given the success of a DWade run 2nd unit, I can't imagine rose getting any run with that unit.
If Rose demonstrates a willingness to defend at minimum as hard as Jose has been,he might get some pt, but in the same breath that significantly increases the odds he can't stay healthy as well.
If it were me I would bring him in for short bursts with the 1st unit when JR is having an off night and we need some quick buckets, beyond that I would keep him in the quiver as a scoring weapon in the playoffs and not much else.

[jbk1234]

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I'm about over Shump. He can't stay healthy, his regular season effort sucks, he doesn't play within his game on offense, and he's overpaid.

[Dupp]

Addition by subtraction.

[bb22]

Hoping IT can come back sooner rather than later. Was just looking at the schedule for January. Things get much harder, and we will need solid chemistry and high productivity from everyone in order to come out over .500 for the month.

[Stillwater]

Hoping IT can come back sooner rather than later. Was just looking at the schedule for January. Things get much harder, and we will need solid chemistry and high productivity from everyone in order to come out over .500 for the month.

unless I misheard it, he is already practicing with the team

[Stillwater]

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/bulls-kay-felder-waived-by-chicago/
Felder just became available. Unless Perantes has shown more, waive him, bring back the little man.

[Stillwater]

Dependent on how the addition of IT4 goes (assuming it goes well) , what other directions will Altman and company go to finalize the roster for the 2nd half of the season if they decide we don't need a pg?
who will be available that is attainable with the assets we have without disrupting the team chemistry?
We may not do anything, but I am becoming less confident in our ability to defend at a decent level the entire game despite it showing up as needed and getting by with that on most nights but also sometimes suffering for it in the midst of comebacks offensively like in the most recent game against Utah.
Shumpert coming back will help some to relieve Swish, and the drop off offensively won't be much with J.R's struggles offensively lately.
I am inclined to think Swish might get traded,not what I would do, but might be our only play without giving up more than is reasonable.

[CaptainCanada]

Dependent on how the addition of IT4 goes (assuming it goes well) , what other directions will Altman and company go to finalize the roster for the 2nd half of the season if they decide we don't need a pg?
who will be available that is attainable with the assets we have without disrupting the team chemistry?
We may not do anything, but I am becoming less confident in our ability to defend at a decent level the entire game despite it showing up as needed and getting by with that on most nights but also sometimes suffering for it in the midst of comebacks offensively like in the most recent game against Utah.
Shumpert coming back will help some to relieve Swish, and the drop off offensively won't be much with J.R's struggles offensively lately.
I am inclined to think Swish might get traded,not what I would do, but might be our only play without giving up more than is reasonable.

I think the return of I.T. will help the Cav's enough that they don't need to make a trade. They have to hope that atleast because they don't have alot of assets other than draft picks. Most players on roster are over paid...except Lebron who is massively underpaid.

[Stillwater]

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lakers-release-center-andrew-bogut-180345769.html
Lakers waived Bogut. round 2???

[Stillwater]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21988600/deandre-liggins-waived-milwaukee-bucks
Make it happen Altman
I would be perfectly content with moving 1 of Rose or Jose with Liggins on the roster because the intensity defensively , and the impact he has on even the most elite dynamic guards.

[CaptainCanada]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21988600/deandre-liggins-waived-milwaukee-bucks
Make it happen Altman
I would be perfectly content with moving 1 of Rose or Jose with Liggins on the roster because the intensity defensively , and the impact he has on even the most elite dynamic guards.

How did he look playing for Cav's last year?

[Stillwater]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21988600/deandre-liggins-waived-milwaukee-bucks
Make it happen Altman
I would be perfectly content with moving 1 of Rose or Jose with Liggins on the roster because the intensity defensively , and the impact he has on even the most elite dynamic guards.

How did he look playing for Cav's last year?

top 5 motor in the league. relentless defender. not an offensive player,but can attack the rim and can catch and shoot at a solid clip for a defensive specialist.
I hated the fact that we let him walk to open up a roster spot for nut punch who was worthless in the finals.

[afarmenian]

I dont understand the call for Liggins, what does he do that Cedi cant do? He is a liability on offense.

[jbk1234]

I dont understand the call for Liggins, what does he do that Cedi cant do? He is a liability on offense.

He's a better defender than Cedi. We should've kept him and trade Shump for an expiring. He' gives you 90% of what Shump gives you at 10% of the cost.

[afarmenian]

I dont understand the call for Liggins, what does he do that Cedi cant do? He is a liability on offense.

He's a better defender than Cedi. We should've kept him and trade Shump for an expiring. He' gives you 90% of what Shump gives you at 10% of the cost.

maybe, marginally with less size and no offense. If he was some dominate defender he would have caught all by now. He is the reincarnation of Alonzo Gee

Agree on Shump though. Shump cant stay healthy is erratic on offense and way overpaid.

[jbk1234]

I dont understand the call for Liggins, what does he do that Cedi cant do? He is a liability on offense.

He's a better defender than Cedi. We should've kept him and trade Shump for an expiring. He' gives you 90% of what Shump gives you at 10% of the cost.

maybe, marginally with less size and no offense. If he was some dominate defender he would have caught all by now. He is the reincarnation of Alonzo Gee

Agree on Shump though. Shump cant stay healthy is erratic on offense and way overpaid.

I think we'd be better playing four on five on offense if we had just one perimeter player who could keep their man in front of them. Even LBJ gets roasted in the regular season.