Cavs extend Love (4 years @$120 million)

[Revenged25]

Just to be a douche really.

Eh I don’t think so but we’ll see I guess. Best case we still jumped the gun on timing.

yeah the timing seems a little premature, but it sends a message to any remaining fa we are committed to staying a playoff team and working our way back to relevance over the development of current young players in the next couple seasons.

I think with some of our contracts we’re gonna really suck for a year at least anyway. Maybe even two. So I guess if we want to stay relevant we’ll have two prospects to go forward with along with what we already have.

Atlanta ain’t getting that pick next year unless we have goat level tanking by teams like last season.

Which is probably going to happen. There are at very least 5 teams I would put as firmly worse than the Cavs, another 4-5 that have a high chance of doing so, and some that will end up doing so by the trade deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see 41 wins from this team.

[Revenged25]

Also was listening to the Morning Men on the radio and they did were working on a Sexton, Love, and soemthing to play off the Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n Roll, someone came up with a tweet to them with Sexton, Love, and Pick 'n Roll. At least we got a fun play with words.

[thenbaman]

wow not good for the cavs furture.

[Stillwater]

wow not good for the cavs furture.

what is a furture, just curious... go ahead I'll wait

[Stillwater]

yeah the timing seems a little premature, but it sends a message to any remaining fa we are committed to staying a playoff team and working our way back to relevance over the development of current young players in the next couple seasons.

I think with some of our contracts we’re gonna really suck for a year at least anyway. Maybe even two. So I guess if we want to stay relevant we’ll have two prospects to go forward with along with what we already have.

Atlanta ain’t getting that pick next year unless we have goat level tanking by teams like last season.

Which is probably going to happen. There are at very least 5 teams I would put as firmly worse than the Cavs, another 4-5 that have a high chance of doing so, and some that will end up doing so by the trade deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see 41 wins from this team.

I really don't get why so many Cavs fans on here think signing Love to a deal like this is a bad thing or that it equates to the Cavs definitely being a 1-10 lottery bound roster.
remember those 2 games right after the deadline trade? that is the direction this team is headed and I stand firm in my belief that unless they fail to execute that plan for the sake of getting a high pick by over playing the veteran back court... other than growing pains this young core is going to be effective and win more games than would allow for us to retain the draft pick.

[Revenged25]

I think with some of our contracts we’re gonna really suck for a year at least anyway. Maybe even two. So I guess if we want to stay relevant we’ll have two prospects to go forward with along with what we already have.

Atlanta ain’t getting that pick next year unless we have goat level tanking by teams like last season.

Which is probably going to happen. There are at very least 5 teams I would put as firmly worse than the Cavs, another 4-5 that have a high chance of doing so, and some that will end up doing so by the trade deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see 41 wins from this team.

I really don't get why so many Cavs fans on here think signing Love to a deal like this is a bad thing or that it equates to the Cavs definitely being a 1-10 lottery bound roster.
remember those 2 games right after the deadline trade? that is the direction this team is headed and I stand firm in my belief that unless they fail to execute that plan for the sake of getting a high pick by over playing the veteran back court... other than growing pains this young core is going to be effective and win more games than would allow for us to retain the draft pick.

That's how I see it as well.

[JonFromVA]

For all we know, the cap filler we'd have been forced to take back in a Love traded would have added more to our win total than Kev. Unfortunately (given the money he's being paid) he's not a make or break player. He's not going to keep us out of the lottery by himself. What he can do is provide floor spacing, rebounding, and leadership.

I think that floor spacing will be crucial for Collin Sexton to do his thing. No sense drafting players if you don't intend to develop them the right way.

[Dupp]

If this team wins 40 games I’ll kiss a woman.

[KuruptedCav]

The move is solid. Other than signing Lebron in 2014, the Cavs haven’t successfully leveraged cap space in a long-time.

Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones. Those are the Cavs big free agent acquisitions.

As for tanking for picks: I’d take Love over all of: Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, Thompson, Jackson, Wagner, Diop, Mihm, Brown, Hickson, Eyenga, Zeller, Karasev. Play the hand dealt and pick the players available.





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[Dupp]

Is there team or player option fourth year?

I haven't seen anything on that but Love declined next year's P.O. as part of the deal so while this is being reported as a 4 year extension, it's actually three years beyond what the Cavs were obligated to pay.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/07/kevin_love_cavaliers_extension.html

So is this right because people are still talking like it’s a 5 year deal

[Revenged25]

Is there team or player option fourth year?

I haven't seen anything on that but Love declined next year's P.O. as part of the deal so while this is being reported as a 4 year extension, it's actually three years beyond what the Cavs were obligated to pay.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/07/kevin_love_cavaliers_extension.html

So is this right because people are still talking like it’s a 5 year deal

yes and no. The Cavs were obligated to pay Kevin Love this year and next year, assuming he opted in, but now there are 3 more years past that. So over the 5 years he's currently under contract for the Cavs, the deal would be worth 5/145. To do the extension he had to decline his player option next year, the team then gave him a deal of 4/120 as an extension. So in reality the Cavs are paying him 3/94,404,300 past what would've been his player option, just the money is front loaded a little more and less in the back than it would've been otherwise.

[JonFromVA]

I think with some of our contracts we’re gonna really suck for a year at least anyway. Maybe even two. So I guess if we want to stay relevant we’ll have two prospects to go forward with along with what we already have.

Atlanta ain’t getting that pick next year unless we have goat level tanking by teams like last season.

Which is probably going to happen. There are at very least 5 teams I would put as firmly worse than the Cavs, another 4-5 that have a high chance of doing so, and some that will end up doing so by the trade deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see 41 wins from this team.

I really don't get why so many Cavs fans on here think signing Love to a deal like this is a bad thing or that it equates to the Cavs definitely being a 1-10 lottery bound roster.
remember those 2 games right after the deadline trade? that is the direction this team is headed and I stand firm in my belief that unless they fail to execute that plan for the sake of getting a high pick by over playing the veteran back court... other than growing pains this young core is going to be effective and win more games than would allow for us to retain the draft pick.

I think some of the Cavs fans who oppose the deal expect the Cavs to tank-hard, try to trade anyone over 22 for a future pick, let any remaining vet contracts expire, then turn around and do something with all our cap space in a couple of years.

Some others feel the contract was an over-pay, and/or premature.

There's some truth to this, but there's so much money in the NBA these days, it's pretty much a given that a rebuilding team is going to need to waste money on someone. So, why not spend it on the last star from our championship standing? The guy who wanted to stick around?

It's not a realistic strategy to hope the Cavs would somehow sign even one let alone 3 superstar free-agents a couple of years down the line, so planning to have that much cap space open is pretty senseless. We might convince a second tier free-agent to join a solid team, though, and signing Love doesn't preclude that.

If we lose that pick because our young players are playing well, that's a fair trade off in my book. It'd mean the rebuild is working and is off to a great start.

I think fans will stop fretting that Zizic, Osman, Sexton, Nance, Clarkson, Hood weren't picked in the top-5 of the draft if they started playing well. The goal isn't to hoard assets, it's to actualize them.

[Jadoogar]

I hate this.

Wanted to get Cavs fans' opinion since i hate this deal too but what are the chances they will use this similar to Blake Griffin (i.e. trade him very soon)? I think they were unable to trade him on an expiring contract, so they extended him and hope to dangle him to a team looking to make the jump or a team that strikes out on free agency next off season.

[JonFromVA]

I hate this.

Wanted to get Cavs fans' opinion since i hate this deal too but what are the chances they will use this similar to Blake Griffin (i.e. trade him very soon)? I think they were unable to trade him on an expiring contract, so they extended him and hope to dangle him to a team looking to make the jump or a team that strikes out on free agency next off season.

I think trading Kevin only comes in to play if things go badly for the Cavs, and they start tanking. What his actual value is around the league is an interesting question. I don't think its especially high, it's deflated by his inconsistency .vs. the Dubs, and that the teams with good draft picks do not need him.

If he revives his career to the point that teams would give up something interesting in trade for him, the Cavs probably don't trade him. Kevin is signed long enough to be part of a short rebuild and be the face of the team until someone is ready to replace him.

Heck, we paid and held on to Z and Andy for as long as they could viably contribute.

Also the Clippers like to dream that because they're in LA, that players who talk about playing in LA, will consider them in free-agency.

Finally, Kevin isn't being paid as much as Blake and fits well in to different systems, so, it's easier to build a team with him. His floor spacing, rebounding, and passing make things easier for teammates - rather than taking the ball out of their hands.

[NYG]

Do Cavs fans think Love’s extension makes it more or less likely he gets traded if the Cavs get off to a poor start?

[Stillwater]

Do Cavs fans think Love’s extension makes it more or less likely he gets traded if the Cavs get off to a poor start?

I doubt he gets traded this year at all. poor start for team & great start for him not withstanding or any other situation unless a org offers "more" than he is worth to complete their roster and he alone would push them over the top against the likes of GSW Houston,Boston,Philly etc.
No he is most likely traded next summer at this point if ever.

[Trailbreaker]

Do Cavs fans think Love’s extension makes it more or less likely he gets traded if the Cavs get off to a poor start?

I doubt he gets traded this year at all. poor start for team & great start for him not withstanding or any other situation unless a org offers "more" than he is worth to complete their roster and he alone would push them over the top against the likes of GSW Houston,Boston,Philly etc.
No he is most likely traded next summer at this point if ever.

I think it's interesting how so many people liked to undervalue Kyrie Irving, and then did the same for Kevin Love. As if we were going to trade Kevin Love for peanuts, and say he's not locked up. Then we have people (usually the same ones) complaining about his new contract. Can't please anybody, it seems.