Game 6: Cleveland Cavaliers (2-3) vs. Dallas Mavericks (3-2) - 7:30 PM ET

ducler · Post #1 » by **ducler** » Sun Nov 3, 2019 3:06 pm

Post #2 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 12:54 am

Wow is Dallas a bad defensive team. This is going to be a high scoring game.

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Post #3 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 12:57 am

Looks like the clock has struck midnight on TT's offensive game.

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Post #4 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 1:11 am

Man Brandon Knight looks rough. If he's auditioning to be the PG for the Knicks, I'm not sure it's going well.

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cavs4872 · Post #5 » by **cavs4872** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 1:57 am

jbk1234 wrote:Man Brandon Knight looks rough. If he's auditioning to be the PG for the Knicks, I'm not sure it's going well.

I wish the dude well, but he has absolutely no place on this team.

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:19 am

Sexton is playing like bad Dion right now. All that's missing is him yelling out Annnd 1 when he doesn't get superstar calls on those drives when he's forcing bad shots.

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Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:35 am

cavs4872 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Man Brandon Knight looks rough. If he's auditioning to be the PG for the Knicks, I'm not sure it's going well.

I wish the dude well, but he has absolutely no place on this team.

Yeah I think they're trying to see if the can find a better fitting player on an expiring contract for him. Both the Hawks and Knicks need a PG.

I just don't know how anyone watching him is going to be like yeah let's trade for Knight.

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Post #8 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:43 am

Kevin Love not putting his hands up on defense is really starting to annoy me.

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tugs · Post #9 » by **tugs** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:56 am

Welp, if we're gonna lose might as well start Clarkson and Knight to boost their values. Sexton and Garland might be better off dominating opposing team's bench.

Stillwater · Post #10 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 1:35 pm

Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.
team looks like they were making an effort to move the ball more early on, but i am wondering if the vets are already turning to shaking hands and cashing checks mentality with no true confidence in Beilein

Revenged25 · Post #11 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:00 pm

Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.
team looks like they were making an effort to move the ball more early on, but i am wondering if the vets are already turning to shaking hands and cashing checks mentality with no true confidence in Beilein

Depends on the vets. It seems like TT, Love, and Osman are buying in... Clarkson, Knight, etc might be just trying to play out the season knowing they'll be elsewhere next season or even by the deadline.

Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:15 pm

Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.
team looks like they were making an effort to move the ball more early on, but i am wondering if the vets are already turning to shaking hands and cashing checks mentality with no true confidence in Beilein

I mean the Cavs play significantly better when they run the Beilein's offense and significantly worse when they revert back to high PNR and/or isolation ball. They always play in the first quarter, the opposing team makes an adjustment and/or we bring in the second unit, and things start to head Souh. Tf player have an issue with Beileni's system, it's probably because they're selfish players and the Cavs should look into trading them.

The Mavs have 2 superstar caliber players on their roster. We have Kevin Love is who i basically 3/4 of a superstar because of his defensive issues. Right now, talent is the issue. Confidence isn't causing guys to take bad shots. Confidence isn't causing TT to revert back to the offensively limited player he's been his entire career. Confidence isn't causing Clarkson and Sexton to play like poor men's versions of Dion and Kyrie. Knight just isn't that good anymore. There's no need to overthink what's going on with him.

JonFromVA · Post #13 » by **JonFromVA** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:42 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.
team looks like they were making an effort to move the ball more early on, but i am wondering if the vets are already turning to shaking hands and cashing checks mentality with no true confidence in Beilein

I mean the Cavs play significantly better when they run the Beilein's offense and significantly worse when they revert back to high PNR and/or isolation ball. They always play in the first quarter, the opposing team makes an adjustment and/or we bring in the second unit, and things start to head Souh. Tf player have an issue with Beileni's system, it's probably because they're selfish players and the Cavs should look into trading them.

The Mavs have 2 superstar caliber players on their roster. We have Kevin Love is who i basically 3/4 of a superstar because of his defensive issues. Right now, talent is the issue. Confidence isn't causing guys to take bad shots. Confidence isn't causing TT to revert back to the offensively limited player he's been his entire career. Confidence isn't causing Clarkson and Sexton to play like poor men's versions of Dion and Kyrie. Knight just isn't that good anymore. There's no need to overthink what's going on with him.

Often an offensive/defensive system will break down when an opponent adjusts simply because the players don't understand the next step yet. If Beilein is able to keep putting new stuff in over the year while cleaning up mistakes we should see improvement.

Stillwater · Post #14 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:51 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.
team looks like they were making an effort to move the ball more early on, but i am wondering if the vets are already turning to shaking hands and cashing checks mentality with no true confidence in Beilein

I mean the Cavs play significantly better when they run the Beilein's offense and significantly worse when they revert back to high PNR and/or isolation ball. They always play in the first quarter, the opposing team makes an adjustment and/or we bring in the second unit, and things start to head Souh. Tf player have an issue with Beileni's system, it's probably because they're selfish players and the Cavs should look into trading them.

The Mavs have 2 superstar caliber players on their roster. We have Kevin Love is who i basically 3/4 of a superstar because of his defensive issues. Right now, talent is the issue. Confidence isn't causing guys to take bad shots. Confidence isn't causing TT to revert back to the offensively limited player he's been his entire career. Confidence isn't causing Clarkson and Sexton to play like poor men's versions of Dion and Kyrie. Knight just isn't that good anymore. There's no need to overthink what's going on with him.

maybe confidence is better described from my end as me seeing some vets potentially disinterested in buying into a system that is being implemented on the premise to utilize the younger players in a development season ,if there is any reason for them to feel demoted outvof the gate, and all players on the court go hunting for shots as the game goes on in typical "we cant win without sacrificing pay checks" so they seek to pad their stats until they can get the **** outta here.

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:19 pm

Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.
team looks like they were making an effort to move the ball more early on, but i am wondering if the vets are already turning to shaking hands and cashing checks mentality with no true confidence in Beilein

I mean the Cavs play significantly better when they run the Beilein's offense and significantly worse when they revert back to high PNR and/or isolation ball. They always play in the first quarter, the opposing team makes an adjustment and/or we bring in the second unit, and things start to head Souh. Tf player have an issue with Beileni's system, it's probably because they're selfish players and the Cavs should look into trading them.

The Mavs have 2 superstar caliber players on their roster. We have Kevin Love is who i basically 3/4 of a superstar because of his defensive issues. Right now, talent is the issue. Confidence isn't causing guys to take bad shots. Confidence isn't causing TT to revert back to the offensively limited player he's been his entire career. Confidence isn't causing Clarkson and Sexton to play like poor men's versions of Dion and Kyrie. Knight just isn't that good anymore. There's no need to overthink what's going on with him.

maybe confidence is better described from my end as me seeing some vets potentially disinterested in buying into a system that is being implemented on the premise to utilize the younger players in a development season ,if there is any reason for them to feel demoted outvof the gate, and all players on the court go hunting for shots as the game goes on in typical "we cant win without sacrificing pay checks" so they seek to pad their stats until they can get the **** outta here.

Yeah, we're basically saying the same thing. They're not on the same page as the coach because they don't have the same priorities.

Revenged25 · Post #16 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:01 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I mean the Cavs play significantly better when they run the Beilein's offense and significantly worse when they revert back to high PNR and/or isolation ball. They always play in the first quarter, the opposing team makes an adjustment and/or we bring in the second unit, and things start to head Souh. Tf player have an issue with Beileni's system, it's probably because they're selfish players and the Cavs should look into trading them.

The Mavs have 2 superstar caliber players on their roster. We have Kevin Love is who i basically 3/4 of a superstar because of his defensive issues. Right now, talent is the issue. Confidence isn't causing guys to take bad shots. Confidence isn't causing TT to revert back to the offensively limited player he's been his entire career. Confidence isn't causing Clarkson and Sexton to play like poor men's versions of Dion and Kyrie. Knight just isn't that good anymore. There's no need to overthink what's going on with him.

maybe confidence is better described from my end as me seeing some vets potentially disinterested in buying into a system that is being implemented on the premise to utilize the younger players in a development season ,if there is any reason for them to feel demoted outvof the gate, and all players on the court go hunting for shots as the game goes on in typical "we cant win without sacrificing pay checks" so they seek to pad their stats until they can get the **** outta here.

Yeah, we're basically saying the same thing. They're not on the same page as the coach because they don't have the same priorities.

It really seems to be just Clarkson and Knight of the vets to be doing this. Everyone else seems to be putting in work and trying to play within the system, minus some lapses here and there. If we could jettison them I think we would be in a really good spot for the development of this team. Maybe try to get a combo forward so we can get someone to be able to be behind both Cedi and Love?

Stillwater · Post #17 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 1:13 am

Revenged25 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:maybe confidence is better described from my end as me seeing some vets potentially disinterested in buying into a system that is being implemented on the premise to utilize the younger players in a development season ,if there is any reason for them to feel demoted outvof the gate, and all players on the court go hunting for shots as the game goes on in typical "we cant win without sacrificing pay checks" so they seek to pad their stats until they can get the **** outta here.

Yeah, we're basically saying the same thing. They're not on the same page as the coach because they don't have the same priorities.

It really seems to be just Clarkson and Knight of the vets to be doing this. Everyone else seems to be putting in work and trying to play within the system, minus some lapses here and there. If we could jettison them I think we would be in a really good spot for the development of this team. Maybe try to get a combo forward so we can get someone to be able to be behind both Cedi and Love?

I don't think either of TT or JC because they are Klutch represented are buying in as it pertains to the Cavs long term but are both more than willing to play the game Beilein is encouraging them to play in his system...but also are easily prone to reverting to what they have been doing all along when they are frustrated or impatient with the youngsters. I don't think either JC or TT care that much beyond what it does for their next contract as neither are in the long term plan of this org unless the front office is either A lying to them or B actually has delusions of retaining them and is actually pushing them to be the leaders is the lockeroom etc.
Love seems content with being part of a rebuild which tbh in many ways should probably be a bit concerning as a Cavs fan as to just how seriously he takes winning as any level of importance beyond job security through his current deal.

tundraknight · Post #18 » by **tundraknight** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 1:59 am

Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.

I was at this game. This is the second time I’ve seen Luka play live. (Went to last seasons Mavericks @ Cavaliers game as well). And watched as he destroyed us both times.

But anyway, long story short, this always reminds me and gives me that “what if” thought about this report.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/12/17564054/nba-draft-rumor-cavs-turned-down-chance-to-draft-luka-doncic-kent-bazemore

I realize nobody knows for sure wether this report was true or not, and that it’s probably best to just forget about it.

Revenged25 · Post #19 » by **Revenged25** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:45 am

tundraknight wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Luka is a beast...such a high iq player for his age. i cant recall the last time i witnessed that advanced game awareness in a 2nd year guy.

I was at this game. This is the second time I’ve seen Luka play live. (Went to last seasons Mavericks @ Cavaliers game as well). And watched as he destroyed us both times.

But anyway, long story short, this always reminds me and gives me that “what if” thought about this report.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/12/17564054/nba-draft-rumor-cavs-turned-down-chance-to-draft-luka-doncic-kent-bazemore

I realize nobody knows for sure wether this report was true or not, and that it’s probably best to just forget about it.

Even if it's true, the problem comes in the financials of the trade. How do we make the trade work with taking on Bazemore for one? There were a lot of moving parts in that proposed trade that weren't close to being fleshed out. Also if the Cavs were so high on Sexton to begin with, maybe they didn't have the same scouting resourced poured into Doncic and missed that? Obviously Luka is a future multi-time MVP and it sucks we missed out on him, but I'm not unhappy with having Sexton either.