heathmalc wrote:BOTH of those trades suck big-time for the Cavs! I know everyone is high on Collison because the media played him up a lot...Triumph36 wrote:That would push LeBron out the door....I'd rather not have that happen.
ETA: And that deal is awful for the Hornets and I still don't buy the crap about Philly trading #2/Brand.
Collison is a horrid defender...which we already have in Mo.... and amazingly, he is even smaller than Mo! Collison also has a very small sample size to judge him by, whereas Mo has been doing the same things for 7 straight years. Nothing against Collison, but since all he is going to bring is scoring, with a worse handle... and a decent chance at having a sophomore slump... then I'd just assume hold onto Mo, and keep the pick, and not have to woorry about Peja... yet another old player, that "used" to be good!
As for the Philly trade - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????
There is no guarantees with Turner! I'd be more inclined to take on Brand if it was for John Wall. But Dalembert AND Brand???????????????????????????? AND we give up Hickson?????? NO thank you!!!!!!
So these are bad trades, but unrealistic trades with Toronto that involve players the Raptor do not care about makes sense. Of all the trade options, Cleveland has no assets the Raptors are interested in for Bosh.
I love how you say there are no guarantees with Turner and turn around and say "AND we give up Hickson" like he has proven to be some superstar. All he has shown is that he can be a role player on this team. I love Hickson's energy, but at times his defensive effort is inconsistent and I have serious doubts about whether he can ever turn into anytime of legitimate offensive threat. If you are afraid to make a move because a player may not work out then you might as well do nothing. There are risks associated with getting any player, especially a Bosh or Amare.
The NO trade absolutely makes sense for both teams. The Hornets ownership does not want to pay the luxury tax for a team that is not a real contender for an NBA title. Moreover, Collison plays the same position as Chris Paul. You are way off against the Collison's defensive ability. With Paul out Collison was asked to be a scorer and that's what he did. To compare Collison to Mo Williams, one of the worst defenders in the NBA is laughable. It didn't matter who we played in the playoffs, Mo Williams was such a bad defender we had to hide him. At UCLA, Collision was more of a defensive minded player. I have no doubt he will develop into a better defender when he is not asked to do so much.
In both the Philadelphia and NO trade, Peja and Dalembert's contract expire after next season. They are not a centerpiece of the trade, but a way to entice Philadelphia and New Orleans to trade younger players. There is no way around a bad Brand contract, but that is why the Cavs would offer what is really their best asset, an owner with deep pockets willing to build a winner. These trades for the Cavs are a no brainer and ensure the Cavs have a future if LBJ decides to leave. How anyone could overvalue the talent on our roster after seeing their performance in the playoffs is beyond me. Being exposed in the playoffs is not conducive to raising your trade value.
