2022-23 Regular Season

[Niko23]

It is entirely possible he plays for the QO and becomes unrestricted next year. Question is who has CAP next year to make him an offer.

[toooskies]

It is entirely possible he plays for the QO and becomes unrestricted next year. Question is who has CAP next year to make him an offer.

Lots of teams have cap room next year, although many will take themselves out of the running soon with extensions and signings of their own free agents this offseason. I'd still expect a good 10 teams could make him an offer as a UFA. And that's with current projections that may change drastically if they try to smooth the coming spike expected in the next TV deal.

Sexton on the QO would work for the Cavs if they're trying to come up with max space in 2023. Or even a deal with just the first year guaranteed (i.e. 3y/$60m).

[JonFromVA]

I have no idea who's signing Sexton at this point. Both the Knicks and Pistons are out. The Pacers are uber loaded at guard. So are the Spurs. The Magic? OKC?

I'm not buying the S&T stuff with Dallas or the Wizards just because the Cavs would need to prefer what they'd send back over the option of Sexton as a sixth man.

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

[jbk1234]

I have no idea who's signing Sexton at this point. Both the Knicks and Pistons are out. The Pacers are uber loaded at guard. So are the Spurs. The Magic? OKC?

I'm not buying the S&T stuff with Dallas or the Wizards just because the Cavs would need to prefer what they'd send back over the option of Sexton as a sixth man.

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

The idea that we'd mortgage the future for a non-shooter to plug into the starting lineup is too much for me atm. I'm just now getting over the LeVert trade and how predictable the results were.

The Cavs should not enter a bidding contest for Murray, and if they do, they really need to lose that contest.

As far as Sexton, I thought about what Dallas as a possibility, but I'm having a hard time accepting the idea that if they didn't want to commit all that money to Brunson, they'd be willing to do so with Sexton. TJ Warren could be a realistic possibility for the modest draft capital the Mavs would be likely to offer. Ty Jones would be the dream but he wants to start and the Grizzlies really want to retain him.

[JonFromVA]

I have no idea who's signing Sexton at this point. Both the Knicks and Pistons are out. The Pacers are uber loaded at guard. So are the Spurs. The Magic? OKC?

I'm not buying the S&T stuff with Dallas or the Wizards just because the Cavs would need to prefer what they'd send back over the option of Sexton as a sixth man.

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

The idea that we'd mortgage the future for a non-shooter to plug into the starting lineup is too much for me atm. I'm just now getting over the LeVert trade and how predictable the results were.

The Cavs should not enter a bidding contest for Murray, and if they do, they really need to lose that contest.

As far as Sexton, I thought about what Dallas as a possibility, but I'm having a hard time accepting the idea that if they didn't want to commit all that money to Brunson, they'd be willing to do so with Sexton. TJ Warren could be a realistic possibility for the modest draft capital the Mavs would be likely to offer. Ty Jones would be the dream but he wants to start and the Grizzlies really want to retain him.

The temptation is being able to add another "star", one that might want to be here because of Klutch connections. I'm not sold on Murray either, at least yet ... but it's a possibility based on rumors and Murray's friendship with Garland.

Also, nothing says Sexton has to get $25M from Dallas ...

[jbk1234]

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

The idea that we'd mortgage the future for a non-shooter to plug into the starting lineup is too much for me atm. I'm just now getting over the LeVert trade and how predictable the results were.

The Cavs should not enter a bidding contest for Murray, and if they do, they really need to lose that contest.

As far as Sexton, I thought about what Dallas as a possibility, but I'm having a hard time accepting the idea that if they didn't want to commit all that money to Brunson, they'd be willing to do so with Sexton. TJ Warren could be a realistic possibility for the modest draft capital the Mavs would be likely to offer. Ty Jones would be the dream but he wants to start and the Grizzlies really want to retain him.

The temptation is being able to add another "star", one that might want to be here because of Klutch connections. I'm not sold on Murray either, at least yet ... but it's a possibility based on rumors and Murray's friendship with Garland.

Also, nothing says Sexton has to get $25M from Dallas ...

Dallas is only getting a TPE for Brunson's BYC. Sexton isn't signing for that, and if he would, I'd just sign him for that.

My biggest fear, outside of an acquisition cost that leaves the covers bare, is that Murray sees himself as a star after making the all star team (as a reserve when both Mitchell and Dame were out with injuries) when he's a really, really good role player. I mean the guy can't shoot and that's going to impact the entire starting unit. The Spurs don't make a lot of mistakes. They're selling high for a reason.

[toooskies]

I have no idea who's signing Sexton at this point. Both the Knicks and Pistons are out. The Pacers are uber loaded at guard. So are the Spurs. The Magic? OKC?

I'm not buying the S&T stuff with Dallas or the Wizards just because the Cavs would need to prefer what they'd send back over the option of Sexton as a sixth man.

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

Brunson and Sexton are both liable to BYC rules because they'll be getting salaries greater than 20% more than their last contract. Which effectively means that the salary value of the teams sending them out is only going to be half of their new contract. If the Knicks sign Brunson for $25m, that only opens up Dallas to receive a salary of about $15m in that transaction or a $12.5m TPE for a future transaction. Sexton won't fit in that unless Dallas sends another salary out, i.e. to the Cavs for Sexton, and then they're hard capped which presents another issue on their side.

So that's a pathway to getting, say, Bullock instead of Sexton, which would make the Agbaji pick very much not needed for win-now purposes.

[jbk1234]

I have no idea who's signing Sexton at this point. Both the Knicks and Pistons are out. The Pacers are uber loaded at guard. So are the Spurs. The Magic? OKC?

I'm not buying the S&T stuff with Dallas or the Wizards just because the Cavs would need to prefer what they'd send back over the option of Sexton as a sixth man.

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

Brunson and Sexton are both liable to BYC rules because they'll be getting salaries greater than 20% more than their last contract. Which effectively means that the salary value of the teams sending them out is only going to be half of their new contract. If the Knicks sign Brunson for $25m, that only opens up Dallas to receive a salary of about $15m in that transaction or a $12.5m TPE for a future transaction. Sexton won't fit in that unless Dallas sends another salary out, i.e. to the Cavs for Sexton, and then they're hard capped which presents another issue on their side.

So that's a pathway to getting, say, Bullock instead of Sexton, which would make the Agbaji pick very much not needed for win-now purposes.

You can't combine a TPE with players to salary match. The player has to fit into the TPE. Now, the Mavs could use the TPE to absorb Cedi, which would make Bullock more attractive (and he can always be used as a trade piece downstream), but as you note, they'd have apron issues.

The Mavs would have to attach value to a guy like Bertans, send him to a third team to create a trade exception large enough to actually make this all work and they'd have to really like Sexton to do all that.

[JonFromVA]

If Dallas loses Brunson in a S&T and gets a TPE, would they be able to absorb Sexton without sending any players back? If so what picks do they have?

And if they don't have any players we want, what about a 4th team?

Getting some picks from Dallas would make it a lot easier to meet what the Spurs are supposedly asking for DeJounte Murray if we chose to purse him.

It's a convoluted path made complicated by the fact Brunson and Sexton are free-agents, but seems like the sort of thing the Cavs would try to pull off.

Brunson and Sexton are both liable to BYC rules because they'll be getting salaries greater than 20% more than their last contract. Which effectively means that the salary value of the teams sending them out is only going to be half of their new contract. If the Knicks sign Brunson for $25m, that only opens up Dallas to receive a salary of about $15m in that transaction or a $12.5m TPE for a future transaction. Sexton won't fit in that unless Dallas sends another salary out, i.e. to the Cavs for Sexton, and then they're hard capped which presents another issue on their side.

So that's a pathway to getting, say, Bullock instead of Sexton, which would make the Agbaji pick very much not needed for win-now purposes.

You can't combine a TPE with players to salary match. The player has to fit into the TPE. Now, the Mavs could use the TPE to absorb Cedi, which would make Bullock more attractive (and he can always be used as a trade piece downstream), but as you note, they'd have apron issues.

The Mavs would have to attach value to a guy like Bertans, send him to a third team to create a trade exception large enough to actually make this all work and they'd have to really like Sexton to do all that.

Shouldn't be a problem if it's all one big trade instead of separate deals. It's also not necessarily our problem to figure out how Dallas can absorb whatever Dallas cares to offer Sexton.

It just hinges on how desperate Cuban feels to not let losing Brunson hurt the team .vs. saving up his cap space for a potential bigger play somewhere down the line .vs. how serious Brunson actually is about going to the Knicks .vs. just forcing the Mavs to pay up.

That's a lot of dominos to fall, and it wouldn't surprise me if Brunson just re-signs in Dallas and nothing comes of this.

[jbk1234]

Brunson and Sexton are both liable to BYC rules because they'll be getting salaries greater than 20% more than their last contract. Which effectively means that the salary value of the teams sending them out is only going to be half of their new contract. If the Knicks sign Brunson for $25m, that only opens up Dallas to receive a salary of about $15m in that transaction or a $12.5m TPE for a future transaction. Sexton won't fit in that unless Dallas sends another salary out, i.e. to the Cavs for Sexton, and then they're hard capped which presents another issue on their side.

So that's a pathway to getting, say, Bullock instead of Sexton, which would make the Agbaji pick very much not needed for win-now purposes.

You can't combine a TPE with players to salary match. The player has to fit into the TPE. Now, the Mavs could use the TPE to absorb Cedi, which would make Bullock more attractive (and he can always be used as a trade piece downstream), but as you note, they'd have apron issues.

The Mavs would have to attach value to a guy like Bertans, send him to a third team to create a trade exception large enough to actually make this all work and they'd have to really like Sexton to do all that.

Shouldn't be a problem if it's all one big trade instead of separate deals. It's also not necessarily our problem to figure out how Dallas can absorb whatever Dallas cares to offer Sexton.

It just hinges on how desperate Cuban feels to not let losing Brunson hurt the team .vs. saving up his cap space for a potential bigger play somewhere down the line .vs. how serious Brunson actually is about going to the Knicks .vs. just forcing the Mavs to pay up.

That's a lot of dominos to fall, and it wouldn't surprise me if Brunson just re-signs in Dallas and nothing comes of this.

Sounds like Brunson's bags are already packed. The Mavs reportedly expect him to sign with NY.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm sure Dragic is much cheaper than Sexton, for the Mavs.

[JujitsuFlip]

Shams reported, Denver are trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith. Cavs could've used either of those packages!

[JonFromVA]

You can't combine a TPE with players to salary match. The player has to fit into the TPE. Now, the Mavs could use the TPE to absorb Cedi, which would make Bullock more attractive (and he can always be used as a trade piece downstream), but as you note, they'd have apron issues.

The Mavs would have to attach value to a guy like Bertans, send him to a third team to create a trade exception large enough to actually make this all work and they'd have to really like Sexton to do all that.

Shouldn't be a problem if it's all one big trade instead of separate deals. It's also not necessarily our problem to figure out how Dallas can absorb whatever Dallas cares to offer Sexton.

It just hinges on how desperate Cuban feels to not let losing Brunson hurt the team .vs. saving up his cap space for a potential bigger play somewhere down the line .vs. how serious Brunson actually is about going to the Knicks .vs. just forcing the Mavs to pay up.

That's a lot of dominos to fall, and it wouldn't surprise me if Brunson just re-signs in Dallas and nothing comes of this.

Sounds like Brunson's bags are already packed. The Mavs reportedly expect him to sign with NY.

Sure, but it's still smoke-screen and bluff season and we've seen the Knicks line everything up for a deal and then blow it before.

It is Brunson's choice, so if what he really wants is to get out of Luka's shadow and not just squeeze a few more dollars out of Cuban's pockets ... his path is clear.

[jbk1234]

Shams reported, Denver are trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith. Cavs could've used either of those packages!

But what are we giving up? LeVert? Denver wanted Barton gone as he wasn't deferring to the best players on the roster and it became a real issue. Can't argue about Morris though. He'd be a great option off the bench.

The Cavs can't really make any big trade until they see what happens with Sexton. Needless to say, I haven't been his biggest supporter, but if there's an opportunity to bring him back on a reasonable contract after he's had an opportunity to survey the landscape, that's probably going to be a better option than a lot of these trades. Sexton as a score-first assassin off the bench is a valuable piece.

[toooskies]

The Cavs extended a QO to Sexton... and RJ Nembhard.

As a follow-up, Nembhard's QO was for a two-way spot. So he doesn't take a real roster spot. Still sitting at 11 under contract, Agbaji and Sexton would make 13, and needs of a backup PG and backup C in the Rubio/Rondo and Davis/Brown roles.

[Niko23]

Anyone else think we should have went after Murray?? Kid is a stud.....

[mcfly1204]

Anyone else think we should have went after Murray?? Kid is a stud.....

I wanted to at the trade deadline. Garland and Murray would have been a nasty backcourt. Plug in a 3nD wing, and that starting unit would have been tough.

[mcfly1204]

Any thoughts on what Oladipo will sign for? If Sexton leaves, he could be a decent backup plan if he came cheap enough. I realize the guy has been all sorts of injured, but if he still has something to give?

[JonFromVA]

Anyone else think we should have went after Murray?? Kid is a stud.....

I can understand not selling away our future drafts for him.

I mean we all would like to snag a taller wing that can defend with playmaking skills that can help the offense when defenses overload on Darius, but:

- Unless we're trading Allen, we need a shooter who can also play off Garland;
- Murray is far more than a secondary playmaker, (9.2apg) he and Garland would need to insist they wanted to make it work;
- The Spurs have generally been better with Murray, but not by a lot. His clutch numbers are meh;
- We beat them twice last year (we don't trade for players we beat);
- He's going to want the max, and he's only got one All-Star level season under his belt;
- He's listed at 180lbs even though he's 6'4" ... that's 12lbs lighter than Garland!
- Buyer beware of Spurs players ...
- Injury history.
- The Spurs were willing to let him go.
- KD may have just hit the trade market.

Sexton or LeVert may very well balance all those factors out better and not cost us all those picks.

(edit: added 3 more ...)

[Revenged25]

Anyone else think we should have went after Murray?? Kid is a stud.....

I can understand not selling away our future drafts for him.

I mean we all would like to snag a taller wing that can defend with playmaking skills that can help the offense when defenses overload on Darius, but:

- Unless we're trading Allen, we need a shooter who can also play off Garland;
- Murray is far more than a secondary playmaker, (9.2apg) he and Garland would need to insist they wanted to make it work;
- The Spurs have generally been better with Murray, but not by a lot. His clutch numbers are meh;
- We beat them twice last year (we don't trade for players we beat);
- He's going to want the max, and he's only got one All-Star level season under his belt;
- He's listed at 180lbs even though he's 6'4" ... that's 12lbs lighter than Garland!
- Buyer beware of Spurs players ...
- Injury history.
- The Spurs were willing to let him go.
- KD may have just hit the trade market.

Sexton or LeVert may very well balance all those factors out better and not cost us all those picks.

(edit: added 3 more ...)

I don't think the Cavs could get into a KD trade without giving up Garland/Mobley/Allen which they would be better off in the long term keeping than losing one or more and messing up the rosters construction and road to success. Not to mention other teams would likely beat any offers. I mean if I'm the Pelicans I would try to use this opportunity to S&T Zion and his injury riddled, overweight butt out of New Orleans and get KD in who would give them a great starting 5 of CJ/Herb/Ingram/KD/Jonas.

Also I think with KD on the way out I think Kyrie is probably going to get traded as well which means they will be looking to build around Simmons IMO. If they moved Kyried first, I could see a S&T deal involving Sexton, Okoro/Agbaji, LeVert (probably to a 3rd team), + picks being an interesting package for KD as Sexton/Simmons would be a very good backcourt and actually if they liked Agbaji's 3&D potential they a group of Sexton/Agbaji/Simmons in the 1-3 positions with whoever they get for Kyrie at the 4/5 they could have a pretty good roster like that as well.