Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

I'm glad to hear this. It's a seller's market, but we're the ones offering future cap relief in this scenario and Dallas is having a hard time finding a taker for THJ.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10061161-cavaliers-rumors-cle-hesitant-on-tim-hardaway-jr-trade-due-to-remaining-contract

For so many reasons, of course we'd like Dallas to throw in additional compensation in a THJ/LeVert swap.

1) Expiring contract for a negative asset;
2) Taller / more length for shorter / less length
3) Younger for older;
4) More versatile player for less versatile player.

Maybe THJ can help us?

We do need shooting and we finally have Ricky back, but he's even less of the long wing defender we need than Caris. Any asset we can get back may help us trade for the player we actually need.

I don't know whether Gilbert would spend this much, but I like this iteration of it...
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2256436

I don't get this deal for Philly unless they're just desperate to make Harris' contract go away because Love can't start anymore.

I'd also want to consider just doing the deal with Philly (if they were that desperate) and cutting Dallas out of it. I mean I get Thybulle has been almost unplayable, but I think JBB would play him.

Anyway, I still believe there are limits to what the Cavs will be willing to spend around their core.

[JonFromVA]

I tried to ask for some help from openai's davinci, but alas, I think their input data is a bit dated:

Q: "propose a trade between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Dallas Mavericks that would benefit both teams"

A: "The Cleveland Cavaliers could trade their small forward, Cedi Osman, and their first round draft pick in 2021 to the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for the Mavericks’ center, Dwight Powell. This trade would benefit both teams as the Cavaliers would gain a strong presence in the paint with Powell, while the Mavericks would get a young and promising small forward in Osman, as well as a future draft pick."

Still, Cedi and Evan Mobley for Dwight Powell ... that's almost RealGM worthy.

[ijspeelman]

Would you do it if Mavs threw in a future protected first or a second?

I have no idea what the cap implications would be, honestly. Am I crazy to be on the fence with this trade? I know Bullock has been horrible this year. I see Hardaway Jr as a JR Smith type player on our roster.

I'm really bad at projecting trade value of role players lol so I may be way off here.

[JujitsuFlip]

Would you do it if Mavs threw in a future protected first or a second?

I have no idea what the cap implications would be, honestly. Am I crazy to be on the fence with this trade? I know Bullock has been horrible this year. I see Hardaway Jr as a JR Smith type player on our roster.

I'm really bad at projecting trade value of role players lol so I may be way off here.

No thanks and it puts the Cavs in the tax this season.

[mcfly1204]

I am of the opinion that we should not be looking to give up anyone for these middling players. I am waning on Okoro, but he's under control for a couple more seasons, and I am willing to give him more time. A lot of people are generally down on LeVert, but he's been doing that dirty work to go along with his standard inconsistent scoring. If Wade and Windler are heathy (huge if on the health front for Windler, but I still really like his potential fit), does adding any of these guys really make any sense?

[jbk1234]

I am of the opinion that we should not be looking to give up anyone for these middling players. I am waning on Okoro, but he's under control for a couple more seasons, and I am willing to give him more time. A lot of people are generally down on LeVert, but he's been doing that dirty work to go along with his standard inconsistent scoring. If Wade and Windler are heathy (huge if on the health front for Windler, but I still really like his potential fit), does adding any of these guys really make any sense?

I'd probably part with Cedi, Windler, and a second for J. Richardson. If they insisted on LeVert instead, I'd consider it. But if the Spurs want more, I'd pass and make a run at Richardson, Bullock, and/or Warren next summer. Alex Burks is a fall back option next summer as well.

Aside from that, I don't think I'd be taking on any type of real future money without actual compensation. I've gone from Altman needs to make it a priority to get more shooters in here to it can wait until next summer. We're doing better than just getting by with Wade in street clothes.

LeVert doing more of the blue collar work has soured me less on him (I'd still be real careful with a new contract).

Cedi is Cedi, but at his salary I'd pick up his option. He's still capable of those Cavalanche games off the bench and is entering his prime in terms of age.

Okoro makes a little offensive progress every year. His handle, finishing skills, and passing ability are all improved. He's definitely worth hanging on to for another season.

Stevens is the most expendable, and my least favorite, but also the cheapest and fills that physical guy off the bench role.

In sum, I'm not really anxious to get any of these guys off the roster, any trade would result in a minimal upgrade, and what's out there just isn't worth overpaying for again.

[ijspeelman]

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Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

[ijspeelman]

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Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

These are stats from the last 4 years for Beasley. WO is wide open shots (defender >6ft away), O is open shots (defender (4-6ft away), and Tight is tight shots (2-4 feet away). Overall 3P% and 3PA/36 are below each category.

Just wanted to display what kind of shooter Beasley is. I love the potential of a guy you absolutely cannot leave open. Season avgs across the league for wide open are 38.3%, open are 34.4%, and tight are 29.0%.

I do worry a bit about his trigger shooting tighter three point shots. He shoots about 1.5 of them per game and his completion percentage is extremely mediocre.

Not related to shooting, but idk how much I like the defensive downgrade from LeVert to Beasley.

[jbk1234]

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Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

These are stats from the last 4 years for Beasley. WO is wide open shots (defender >6ft away), O is open shots (defender (4-6ft away), and Tight is tight shots (2-4 feet away). Overall 3P% and 3PA/36 are below each category.

Just wanted to display what kind of shooter Beasley is. I love the potential of a guy you absolutely cannot leave open. Season avgs for wide open are 38.3%, open are 34.4%, and tight are 29.0%.

I do worry a bit about his trigger shooting tighter three point shots. He shoots about 1.5 of them per game and his completion percentage is extremely mediocre.

Not related to shooting, but idk how much I like the defensive downgrade from LeVert to Beasley.

Do it. Beasely's got one year left under contract after this. I'd probably sub in Cedi and Windler instead of LeVert, unless the Hawks are insisting on LeVert.

Beasely wouldn't start. But he'd be really valuable in an 8-9 man rotation during the playoffs. You'd definitely need Wade back and healthy after this though.

[JujitsuFlip]

Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

Nah, I'm good. Another undersized guard who is a negative defender, not the answer. Plus dealing with Ainge again, no thanks. The money doesn't match in the 3 team anyway, so some more pieces would have to shuffle.

[toooskies]

Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

Nah, I'm good. Another undersized guard who is a negative defender, not the answer. Plus dealing with Ainge again, no thanks. The money doesn't match in the 3 team anyway, so some more pieces would have to shuffle.

Money works out fine with filler going out from the Jazz (i.e. Fontecchio to either team or two smaller pieces), not a big deal.

I'd be fine with Beasley-- doesn't move the needle much either way-- but wouldn't mind seeing if Detroit would want to swap Bogdanovic for Collins instead.

[jbk1234]

Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

Nah, I'm good. Another undersized guard who is a negative defender, not the answer. Plus dealing with Ainge again, no thanks. The money doesn't match in the 3 team anyway, so some more pieces would have to shuffle.

Money works out fine with filler going out from the Jazz (i.e. Fontecchio to either team or two smaller pieces), not a big deal.

I'd be fine with Beasley-- doesn't move the needle much either way-- but wouldn't mind seeing if Detroit would want to swap Bogdanovic for Collins instead.

I'd rather have Beasely and the team option than Bogdanovic. Bogs is having a career shooting year at 34, and maybe some it has to do with him playing on a rebuilding team, but his defense is basically unsalvagble right now. It looked bad last playoffs and it's worth visiting the Pistons board in terms of the regression since then.

I don't think either player can start and I'd rather have the one with the team option this summer than the one who signed a contract that will obligate the Cavs to pay him until he's 37. Weaver has gone mad asking for a first and a prospect for him.

[JujitsuFlip]

Idk how reliable this is, but what do you guys think about a LeVert Beasley swap?

Nah, I'm good. Another undersized guard who is a negative defender, not the answer. Plus dealing with Ainge again, no thanks. The money doesn't match in the 3 team anyway, so some more pieces would have to shuffle.

Money works out fine with filler going out from the Jazz (i.e. Fontecchio to either team or two smaller pieces), not a big deal.

I'd be fine with Beasley-- doesn't move the needle much either way-- but wouldn't mind seeing if Detroit would want to swap Bogdanovic for Collins instead.

What would the Cavs give/get in that scenario?

[KuruptedCav]

I like Beasley. I like that he cannot be left alone on the perimeter, that he’s 26 years old, that he’s under contract for another year, pushes the expiring salary a year, and I like that no team will break the bank for him because of 2020 and that he’s been out of trouble for 2 years.

I don’t like that his defense makes Collin Sexton look average. That he’s a shooting guard rather than a SF. Going from LeVert to him in that end of the floor would be tough.

That said, I stand by my belief that you play to the mismatch and make it so that your mismatch advantage is more important than theirs.


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[JonFromVA]

Just keep in mind that if a reporter like Marc Stein is getting a whiff of a trade offer, there's a fair chance it's smoke signal.

And while Collins isn't shooting the 3-ball this season, I wonder if the Cavs wouldn't be better off snagging him if this 3-way had any merit?

[jasonxxx102]

I'm fine swapping Levert and Beasley. Please no Mavs trades where we get a worse and more ball dominant version of Levert with more time on his deal.

I just don't think the Cavs should do anything. They aren't contending this season so just ride it out with LeVert and see what you can get on the open market next year.

THJ is not a good basketball player, awful defender, doesn't pass the ball. All around bad fit for the Cavs. I mean, LeVert is frustrating to watch sometimes but he also plays hard and is a somewhat willing passer.

[jasonxxx102]

Just keep in mind that if a reporter like Marc Stein is getting a whiff of a trade offer, there's a fair chance it's smoke signal.

And while Collins isn't shooting the 3-ball this season, I wonder if the Cavs wouldn't be better off snagging him if this 3-way had any merit?

I don't think you could play Collins alongside Mobley/Allen

[ijspeelman]

Just keep in mind that if a reporter like Marc Stein is getting a whiff of a trade offer, there's a fair chance it's smoke signal.

And while Collins isn't shooting the 3-ball this season, I wonder if the Cavs wouldn't be better off snagging him if this 3-way had any merit?

I don't think you could play Collins alongside Mobley/Allen

Defense or offense?

Defense its like with Lauri (probably better imo), and offense it'll just depend on if this year is a fluke or not. For the three years before this one, he was shooting 38.8% on 3s on 3.9 3PA/36 (which is low-ish volume, but higher than someone like Okoro).

[JonFromVA]

Just keep in mind that if a reporter like Marc Stein is getting a whiff of a trade offer, there's a fair chance it's smoke signal.

And while Collins isn't shooting the 3-ball this season, I wonder if the Cavs wouldn't be better off snagging him if this 3-way had any merit?

I don't think you could play Collins alongside Mobley/Allen

Defense or offense?

Defense its like with Lauri (probably better imo), and offense it'll just depend on if this year is a fluke or not. For the three years before this one, he was shooting 38.8% on 3s on 3.9 3PA/36 (which is low-ish volume, but higher than someone like Okoro).

Yep, those were basically my quick thoughts. Also Collins is younger, signed 2 more years, and seems like the more valuable asset if we needed to flip him again.

A longer look should explore why these guys are even on the market...

[jasonxxx102]

Just keep in mind that if a reporter like Marc Stein is getting a whiff of a trade offer, there's a fair chance it's smoke signal.

And while Collins isn't shooting the 3-ball this season, I wonder if the Cavs wouldn't be better off snagging him if this 3-way had any merit?

I don't think you could play Collins alongside Mobley/Allen

Defense or offense?

Defense its like with Lauri (probably better imo), and offense it'll just depend on if this year is a fluke or not. For the three years before this one, he was shooting 38.8% on 3s on 3.9 3PA/36 (which is low-ish volume, but higher than someone like Okoro).

Offense & defense.

Collins can't create his own shot and it's looking like that 40% from 3 season was a fluke and if the norm is closer to 35%? Not interested in him.

Defense not so much comparing it to Lauri but the opportunity cost of another wing or even Okoro. You know I love Okoro and probably overrate him but to me he's an elite on-ball defender. You can put him on the opponents best player and he's going to make them work. A guy like John Collins will kind of be lost when your back court is small and not defensive minded. Unless you put him down low with Allen and let Mobley kind of roam around.