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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1081 » by JonFromVA » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:24 pm

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ijspeelman wrote:Pre-Injury Wade Numbers:
24.1 MPG
41.1% 3P% on 4.9 3PT attempts per 36
Post-Injury Wade Numbers:
17.8 MPG
34.1% 3P% on 5.3 3PT attempts per 36

With him shooting at a worse efficiency, I partially understand his minutes dropping, especially for Okoro who in Wade's post-injury span is shooting 39.1% 3P% on 3.8 3PT attempts per 36, but his defense remains solid and I believe his shot should start trending back up to the mean. His "volume" 3PT shooting at good efficiency would do wonders for our bench.

Side note: LeVert is shooting extremely poorly in this same stretch, but has cut out some of his volume for passes that have lead to assists (his FGA/avg minutes played lowers and assists/avg minutes played raises compared to averages). I appreciate that LeVert is extending these plays and increasing his impact while his shot is not going down.


The Cavs have force fed Okoro and LeVert from 3 for months (to say nothing of Mobley and Rubio) and when Wade came back he's was getting yanked after a miss or two which is just awful for his confidence. Based on what I'm seeing, opposing teams won't leave him in the corner, which has its own benefits, but are very willing to leave him open away from the corners.

This is something the Cavs need to try to fix in the next 20 games. The guy is a career 37% shooter from 3 and they need to get him going before the playoffs.


Great to have you on the Dean Wade bus. :lol:
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1082 » by jbk1234 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:37 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:Pre-Injury Wade Numbers:
24.1 MPG
41.1% 3P% on 4.9 3PT attempts per 36
Post-Injury Wade Numbers:
17.8 MPG
34.1% 3P% on 5.3 3PT attempts per 36

With him shooting at a worse efficiency, I partially understand his minutes dropping, especially for Okoro who in Wade's post-injury span is shooting 39.1% 3P% on 3.8 3PT attempts per 36, but his defense remains solid and I believe his shot should start trending back up to the mean. His "volume" 3PT shooting at good efficiency would do wonders for our bench.

Side note: LeVert is shooting extremely poorly in this same stretch, but has cut out some of his volume for passes that have lead to assists (his FGA/avg minutes played lowers and assists/avg minutes played raises compared to averages). I appreciate that LeVert is extending these plays and increasing his impact while his shot is not going down.


The Cavs have force fed Okoro and LeVert from 3 for months (to say nothing of Mobley and Rubio) and when Wade came back he's was getting yanked after a miss or two which is just awful for his confidence. Based on what I'm seeing, opposing teams won't leave him in the corner, which has its own benefits, but are very willing to leave him open away from the corners.

This is something the Cavs need to try to fix in the next 20 games. The guy is a career 37% shooter from 3 and they need to get him going before the playoffs.


Great to have you on the Dean Wade bus. :lol:


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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1083 » by ijspeelman » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:20 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
The Cavs have force fed Okoro and LeVert from 3 for months (to say nothing of Mobley and Rubio) and when Wade came back he's was getting yanked after a miss or two which is just awful for his confidence. Based on what I'm seeing, opposing teams won't leave him in the corner, which has its own benefits, but are very willing to leave him open away from the corners.

This is something the Cavs need to try to fix in the next 20 games. The guy is a career 37% shooter from 3 and they need to get him going before the playoffs.


Great to have you on the Dean Wade bus. :lol:


Waves arms at our other spacing options.


JB shot 33.3% from three in college? Do you think he can play the 3?
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1084 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:31 pm

Question about last season. At one point you guys were 36-24 and one of the top teams in the league. 12 games above .500. What caused the slide? 8-14 to close the year 44-38 and a play in loss.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1085 » by ijspeelman » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:40 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Question about last season. At one point you guys were 36-24 and one of the top teams in the league. 12 games above .500. What caused the slide? 8-14 to close the year 44-38 and a play in loss.


Garland was dealing with a nagging back injury post-all-star game, Allen went down shortly after going 36-24 (didn't play rest of season besides last play-in game), and Wade also went down for the rest of the season shortly after going 36-24 (did not return).
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1086 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:03 pm

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Jalen Bluntson wrote:Question about last season. At one point you guys were 36-24 and one of the top teams in the league. 12 games above .500. What caused the slide? 8-14 to close the year 44-38 and a play in loss.


Garland was dealing with a nagging back injury post-all-star game, Allen went down shortly after going 36-24 (didn't play rest of season besides last play-in game), and Wade also went down for the rest of the season shortly after going 36-24 (did not return).


Did you lose Rubio too? I remember thinking you guys were a legit team last year. Then they fell off in the end.

Post trade it's a similar result but, I think a tougher conference as well. This stretch run into the playoffs will show what value DM brings. Good luck. I hope we get a first round matchup.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1087 » by ijspeelman » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:21 pm

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Jalen Bluntson wrote:Question about last season. At one point you guys were 36-24 and one of the top teams in the league. 12 games above .500. What caused the slide? 8-14 to close the year 44-38 and a play in loss.


Garland was dealing with a nagging back injury post-all-star game, Allen went down shortly after going 36-24 (didn't play rest of season besides last play-in game), and Wade also went down for the rest of the season shortly after going 36-24 (did not return).


Did you lose Rubio too? I remember thinking you guys were a legit team last year. Then they fell off in the end.

Post trade it's a similar result but, I think a tougher conference as well. This stretch run into the playoffs will show what value DM brings. Good luck. I hope we get a first round matchup.


He went down late December, but we were still doing really well in January without him. Barring major injury, we will beat out our record from last year by at least 6 games imo.

I like our chances against the Knicks if our three pointing shooting is average. You guys pack the paint the most against us and require our role players to hit some shots which recently has not been looking great.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1088 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:37 pm

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ijspeelman wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:Question about last season. At one point you guys were 36-24 and one of the top teams in the league. 12 games above .500. What caused the slide? 8-14 to close the year 44-38 and a play in loss.


Garland was dealing with a nagging back injury post-all-star game, Allen went down shortly after going 36-24 (didn't play rest of season besides last play-in game), and Wade also went down for the rest of the season shortly after going 36-24 (did not return).


Did you lose Rubio too? I remember thinking you guys were a legit team last year. Then they fell off in the end.

Post trade it's a similar result but, I think a tougher conference as well. This stretch run into the playoffs will show what value DM brings. Good luck. I hope we get a first round matchup.
Cavs lost Rubio December 28th, never played again the rest of the season.

Sexton played the first 11 games then never wore a Cavs uniform ever again.

Lost All-Star Allen March 6th, he only played in the 2nd play-in game rest of the season.

Wade got hurt March 12th and didn't play the rest of the season.

Between February 12th and April 10th, Rondo only played in 9 games.

Between February 6th and March 13th, LeVert only played in 4 games and he didn't enter the starting lineup until March 26th.

Markkanen got hurt January 22nd and didn't return until February 24th.

All-Star Garland between January 31st and March 1st only played in 3 games.

Mobley missed 5 of the 7 final games.

It was just an avalanche of injuries the Cavs couldn't escape, it was weird, Love was the only guy healthy for once lol
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1089 » by JonFromVA » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:42 pm

ijspeelman wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:
Garland was dealing with a nagging back injury post-all-star game, Allen went down shortly after going 36-24 (didn't play rest of season besides last play-in game), and Wade also went down for the rest of the season shortly after going 36-24 (did not return).


Did you lose Rubio too? I remember thinking you guys were a legit team last year. Then they fell off in the end.

Post trade it's a similar result but, I think a tougher conference as well. This stretch run into the playoffs will show what value DM brings. Good luck. I hope we get a first round matchup.


He went down late December, but we were still doing really well in January without him. Barring major injury, we will beat out our record from last year by at least 6 games imo.

I like our chances against the Knicks if our three pointing shooting is average. You guys pack the paint the most against us and require our role players to hit some shots which recently has not been looking great.


Eventually the loss of Rubio caught up to us when opponents realized they could just trap Garland and dare someone else to dribble the ball. So, we traded for LeVert and then lost him to injury for a stretch. Rajon Rondo and Kevin Pangos were not reliable.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1090 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:45 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:
Garland was dealing with a nagging back injury post-all-star game, Allen went down shortly after going 36-24 (didn't play rest of season besides last play-in game), and Wade also went down for the rest of the season shortly after going 36-24 (did not return).


Did you lose Rubio too? I remember thinking you guys were a legit team last year. Then they fell off in the end.

Post trade it's a similar result but, I think a tougher conference as well. This stretch run into the playoffs will show what value DM brings. Good luck. I hope we get a first round matchup.
Cavs lost Rubio December 28th, never played again the rest of the season.

Sexton played the first 11 games then never wore a Cavs uniform ever again.

Lost All-Star Allen March 6th, he only played in the 2nd play-in game rest of the season.

Wade got hurt March 12th and didn't play the rest of the season.

Between February 12th and April 10th, Rondo only played in 9 games.

Between February 6th and March 13th, LeVert only played in 4 games and he didn't enter the starting lineup until March 26th.

Markkanen got hurt January 22nd and didn't return until February 24th.

All-Star Garland between January 31st and March 1st only played in 3 games.

Mobley missed 5 of the 7 final games.

It was just an avalanche of injuries the Cavs couldn't escape, it was weird, Love was the only guy healthy for once lol


Wow. That's just one after another!!! Thanks for the breakdown. As you can imagine, the Knicks not getting DM is a big discussion. I appreciate the input on what happened last season from this side of the table.

Good luck this year.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1091 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:29 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Did you lose Rubio too? I remember thinking you guys were a legit team last year. Then they fell off in the end.

Post trade it's a similar result but, I think a tougher conference as well. This stretch run into the playoffs will show what value DM brings. Good luck. I hope we get a first round matchup.
Cavs lost Rubio December 28th, never played again the rest of the season.

Sexton played the first 11 games then never wore a Cavs uniform ever again.

Lost All-Star Allen March 6th, he only played in the 2nd play-in game rest of the season.

Wade got hurt March 12th and didn't play the rest of the season.

Between February 12th and April 10th, Rondo only played in 9 games.

Between February 6th and March 13th, LeVert only played in 4 games and he didn't enter the starting lineup until March 26th.

Markkanen got hurt January 22nd and didn't return until February 24th.

All-Star Garland between January 31st and March 1st only played in 3 games.

Mobley missed 5 of the 7 final games.

It was just an avalanche of injuries the Cavs couldn't escape, it was weird, Love was the only guy healthy for once lol


Wow. That's just one after another!!! Thanks for the breakdown. As you can imagine, the Knicks not getting DM is a big discussion. I appreciate the input on what happened last season from this side of the table.

Good luck this year.
You as well, thanks for dropping by.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1092 » by ijspeelman » Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:35 am

How we feeling about Nerlens Noel as a back-up big? I'd be down.
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Post#1093 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:10 am

ijspeelman wrote:How we feeling about Nerlens Noel as a back-up big? I'd be down.
I'd be fine with it.

I think the Cavs are waiting to see if the injury bug strikes and use the 15th spot to combat that.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1094 » by toooskies » Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:55 pm

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ijspeelman wrote:How we feeling about Nerlens Noel as a back-up big? I'd be down.
I'd be fine with it.

I think the Cavs are waiting to see if the injury bug strikes and use the 15th spot to combat that.

The only spot on the floor to worry about that is at the 4/5.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1095 » by JonFromVA » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:48 pm

ijspeelman wrote:How we feeling about Nerlens Noel as a back-up big? I'd be down.


Amazingly ineffective (give or take when he plays against us). I'd take an injury issue to Evan or Jarret as a chance to experiment with a smaller lineup (leaning on Lopez if/when that's not viable) which likely means Lamar and Dean but I'd also work Diakite and IM in to try to see what we've got there.

We can also use 10-day deals in the short-term.
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Post#1096 » by KuruptedCav » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:11 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:How we feeling about Nerlens Noel as a back-up big? I'd be down.
I'd be fine with it.

I think the Cavs are waiting to see if the injury bug strikes and use the 15th spot to combat that.

I think it’s less about injury bug than a hope that someone falls from the playoff race and a more talented player comes loose; don’t want to blow your wad early.

Cavs can manage an injury anywhere but the post; regardless of an injury bug, the acquisition is at the 5/4.

1-3 there are good players who can plug in because of Rubio/Levert; the loss is on top end and depth, but the team doesn’t crumble.

Lose Allen and run Lopez & Stevens out there for 30 mpg each and it feels like the tail end of 2022…

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1097 » by toooskies » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:04 pm

KuruptedCav wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:How we feeling about Nerlens Noel as a back-up big? I'd be down.
I'd be fine with it.

I think the Cavs are waiting to see if the injury bug strikes and use the 15th spot to combat that.

I think it’s less about injury bug than a hope that someone falls from the playoff race and a more talented player comes loose; don’t want to blow your wad early.

Cavs can manage an injury anywhere but the post; regardless of an injury bug, the acquisition is at the 5/4.

1-3 there are good players who can plug in because of Rubio/Levert; the loss is on top end and depth, but the team doesn’t crumble.

Lose Allen and run Lopez & Stevens out there for 30 mpg each and it feels like the tail end of 2022…

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If you are on an NBA roster tomorrow you cannot be eligible to play for another team in the playoffs. Pretty much no one new is going to be available.
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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1098 » by jbk1234 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 1:52 am

Raptors waived Juancho.
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Post#1099 » by KuruptedCav » Wed Mar 1, 2023 3:19 am

toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:I'd be fine with it.

I think the Cavs are waiting to see if the injury bug strikes and use the 15th spot to combat that.

I think it’s less about injury bug than a hope that someone falls from the playoff race and a more talented player comes loose; don’t want to blow your wad early.

Cavs can manage an injury anywhere but the post; regardless of an injury bug, the acquisition is at the 5/4.

1-3 there are good players who can plug in because of Rubio/Levert; the loss is on top end and depth, but the team doesn’t crumble.

Lose Allen and run Lopez & Stevens out there for 30 mpg each and it feels like the tail end of 2022…

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If you are on an NBA roster tomorrow you cannot be eligible to play for another team in the playoffs. Pretty much no one new is going to be available.

Can’t be on it at the end of the day unless you are one of:

Meyers Leonard
Kris Dunn
Frank Jackson
Trevor Keels
Willie Cauley-Stein

But the point is taken. I went and looked at last year, nobody of note was released in the last day.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season 

Post#1100 » by ijspeelman » Wed Mar 1, 2023 12:17 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Raptors waived Juancho.


I haven't watched a ton of Juancho, but every fanbase that has had him doesn't like him.

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