Trade Ideas - Part 2

[Niko23]

I have no idea why people seem to want to just toss Varejao or even our 24th pick into deals. I seriously doubt we will make a trade unless it is beneficial to us, and most of these are not.

It's not about tossing anything in, it's about long-term ROI. Varejao is getting older and his playing style lends him to a higher injury risk. Thompson was high on the board because his style resembles Varejao. Our two best bigs bring the same skill-set to the table. If you cam trade him for Leonard or Henson you do it. If Varejao stays and is resigned, he projects as your third big, first off the bench, backing up both positions.

I would have to agree here. We continue to tell each other that AV is not injury prone but its really starting to look that way. I am not looking to give him away but again it depends on who we draft and how they fit. A TT, AV, and MKG front court would be......well absolutely the worst outside shooting tandem in NBA history.

[Niko23]

What about Andy and Tristan to Portland for the 6 and 11? I think we would have to sweeten it some but basically that would allow us to take a chance on Drummond if we chose, or pick up Robinson and either Barnes or J Lamb, and we would still have 11 and 24 plus the 2nds.

I think you could trade one but not both.......Kyrie would be like WTF???

[gflem]

What about Andy and Tristan to Portland for the 6 and 11? I think we would have to sweeten it some but basically that would allow us to take a chance on Drummond if we chose, or pick up Robinson and either Barnes or J Lamb, and we would still have 11 and 24 plus the 2nds.

I think you could trade one but not both.......Kyrie would be like WTF???

Yeah, that would be a total dismantle job. I have to admit I really get into the draft and since there are a lot of really good players available into the 20s this year the thought of gaining more high picks is really enticing.
Tristan to me just isnt the answer at the PF position. I know he is very young but it doesnt seem to me he will ever be more than a one dimensional hustle type player. If as mentioned by someone earlier in this thread we have Andy, Tristan, and MKG as our starting front court there will be no room for either guard to drive to the hoop or to slash inside without the ball since the opposing bigs wont have to guard beyond 15 feet. That would put so much pressure on the guards that the offense would become jump shot reliant imo.
My thought was that if Beal and MKG are gone by 4, gaining the 6 and 11 would allow us to go with TRob, Barnes and either Zellar, Moultrie or even Ross to help balance the floor and while the team would be incredibly young, that would be a talented and exciting team to watch. they may not win much in the begining, but the potential (theres that word) would be great, and add to that the option of using 24, 33, and 34 in some fashion to move up or even for future firsts.......man I need to take a zanax or something.

[Niko23]

Your assessment is spot on though. The Cavs need floor balance and players who can stretch the floor. As we both have mentioned, an MKG, TT, and AV front court would absolutely be problematic. You could potentially offer TT and #24 for #6......might not be enough. But the thought of TRob at 4 and J. Lamb #6 would be great.

[Cavsfan9000]

I would have to agree here. We continue to tell each other that AV is not injury prone but its really starting to look that way. I am not looking to give him away but again it depends on who we draft and how they fit. A TT, AV, and MKG front court would be......well absolutely the worst outside shooting tandem in NBA history.

There is lots of magical thinking when it comes to the label of injury prone. If a player has multiple, unrelated injuries and bounces back he is not injury prone. Big men that play hard get hurt sooner or later.

That being said we do need to move Andy because he won't work well paired with TT and by the time our young core will be ready to roll he is going to be a grampa.

[Cavsfan9000]

My thought was that if Beal and MKG are gone by 4, gaining the 6 and 11 would allow us to go with TRob, Barnes and either Zellar, Moultrie or even Ross to help balance the floor and while the team would be incredibly young, that would be a talented and exciting team to watch. they may not win much in the begining, but the potential (theres that word) would be great, and add to that the option of using 24, 33, and 34 in some fashion to move up or even for future firsts.......man I need to take a zanax or something.

I'm starting to like the idea of trading for the 6th and 11th pick but the idea that Beal or MKG might fall to 4 and then we miss out makes me nervous.

I feel the gap between say Barnes and Lamb is tiny compared to the gap Between MKG and Barnes.

6th Lamb 11th Zeller seems pretty damn sexy

One thing that should be done for sure and I think will be a failure if not done is to move up that 24th pick. Use the second round picks, help out a team with cap relief I don't care just make it happen.

[zol2332]

My thought was that if Beal and MKG are gone by 4, gaining the 6 and 11 would allow us to go with TRob, Barnes and either Zellar, Moultrie or even Ross to help balance the floor and while the team would be incredibly young, that would be a talented and exciting team to watch. they may not win much in the begining, but the potential (theres that word) would be great, and add to that the option of using 24, 33, and 34 in some fashion to move up or even for future firsts.......man I need to take a zanax or something.

I'm starting to like the idea of trading for the 6th and 11th pick but the idea that Beal or MKG might fall to 4 and then we miss out makes me nervous.

I feel the gap between say Barnes and Lamb is tiny compared to the gap Between MKG and Barnes.

6th Lamb 11th Zeller seems pretty damn sexy

One thing that should be done for sure and I think will be a failure if not done is to move up that 24th pick. Use the second round picks, help out a team with cap relief I don't care just make it happen.

I agree.

However, this all stems from Portland's desire not to bring on two high-priced rookies. Perhaps something like 6 and 11 for 4, 34, and next year's second. Second round contracts being non-guaranteed it gives Portland flexibility to get a talent in a deep draft without having to commit. With 11, we deal it along with 33 to move up to 8. The Raptors are considering dealing. We retain 24 through all of this.

This gives two scenarios based on personnel available.
6--Harrison Barnes
8--Jeremy Lamb
24--Best available of Arnett Moultrie, Fab Melo, or a sliding Meyers Leonard

Or

6--Andre Drummond
8--Jeremy Lamb
24--Best available of Jeff Taylor, Quincy Miller, or Moe Harkless

[gflem]

I agree.

However, this all stems from Portland's desire not to bring on two high-priced rookies. Perhaps something like 6 and 11 for 4, 34, and next year's second. Second round contracts being non-guaranteed it gives Portland flexibility to get a talent in a deep draft without having to commit. With 11, we deal it along with 33 to move up to 8. The Raptors are considering dealing. We retain 24 through all of this.

This gives two scenarios based on personnel available.
6--Harrison Barnes
8--Jeremy Lamb
24--Best available of Arnett Moultrie, Fab Melo, or a sliding Meyers Leonard

Or

6--Andre Drummond
8--Jeremy Lamb
24--Best available of Jeff Taylor, Quincy Miller, or Moe Harkless

There are so many possibilities it is kind of overwhelming. I bet most of the rumors of teams wanting to move up or down are just that, rumors. But Grant has to have contingencies for each rumor and how the Cavs can take advantage or react to best fill the teams needs. This is where he will earn his money and make or break his reputation. It is so critical for this team to get this right, if not the rebuild plan is if not destroyed, then at the very least delayed several seasons.
It seems that we are thinking alike in that you want to fill the 3 biggest needs with the 2 firsts and preferably gain a 3rd first for whichever position isnt filled by our first 2 picks.
It wouldnt bother me if we end up with 3 or 4 rookies in the rotation next season. As long as we fill our needs with quality players I would be happy to watch the rooks learn on the job. With some of the d-leaguers last season and the likes of puke, Luke and Semih it just didnt seem like those guys had any role in the future of this team so I kind of lost interest right at the end of the season.

[kiwibrindle]

Agreed, two ways to go. Trade for the number two pick if MJ will take no 4 and 24 or one of the 30's for it....

or

...if MKG and Beal are both gone, trade with Portland for their two picks.

My last remaining question is, if MJ is willing to trade the no 2, who do you take, Beal or MKG? That's not a clear choice. MKG has more upside, Beal is more ready now with his shot.

[mcfly1204]

Do you think Portland would have interest in a swap of Gee (S&T) for Matthews? Gee would give them a guy that will attack the basket, and should make for a better pairing with Batum. If Gee's new deal started off at $4-5 million, Portland would also be saving a million or two a season, doubled when the luxury tax is considered, over the course of Matthews contract.

[kiwibrindle]

That's a better question after the draft and we know who we have at the 2 and 3 spot.

[mcfly1204]

That's a better question after the draft and we know who we have at the 2 and 3 spot.

I was thinking along the lines of combining that with a pick swap. Gee/#4/#33 for Matthews/#6/#11. Portland moves up, gets a better fitting piece, as well as a high 2nd round pick to offer an non-guaranteed contract to. Cleveland trades down a few spots to get an extract lottery pick.

Irving/Sloan
Matthews/Gibson
Barnes (could also take Lamb at #6)/Casspi
Thompson/Drew Gordon (BPA at #34)/Samuels
Varejao/Zeller (could also take PJIII at #11)

[kiwibrindle]

You had me until that 4 letter word named Casspi can up and then you lost me.

Actually one good thing would come out of war in the middle east; he may have to serve.

But seriosly, we have to do something with that guy, add Casspi into the Portaland trade for their number 40 or for Nolan Smith or for Elliot Williams or a pair of shoes or no deal!

[zol2332]

Do you think Portland would have interest in a swap of Gee (S&T) for Matthews? Gee would give them a guy that will attack the basket, and should make for a better pairing with Batum. If Gee's new deal started off at $4-5 million, Portland would also be saving a million or two a season, doubled when the luxury tax is considered, over the course of Matthews contract.

We can't sign and deal Gee until free agency begins, which is around a week post-draft. So, he won't help us on draft night, but I understand this deal as an exploration in july. However, Matthews is a little older than Gee, and without a draft pick to compensate for taking on his larger contract, I can't see it getting done.

[gflem]

Reportedly the Suns have an interest in Gee, read on Hoopshype and heard on the radio, rumored to be willing to offer around 4 mil or so per year, not sure for how many years though. That would be the about as high as I would be willing to go for Gee. I would hate to lose him as he is a capable fill in at either wing.

[zol2332]

Reportedly the Suns have an interest in Gee, read on Hoopshype and heard on the radio, rumored to be willing to offer around 4 mil or so per year, not sure for how many years though. That would be the about as high as I would be willing to go for Gee. I would hate to lose him as he is a capable fill in at either wing.

4 yrs, 16 million is the "deal." My plan? Offer him 4 yrs, 14.5 million prior to him signing an offer sheet. That's my max. If he won't give us a hometown discount for giving his broke game a look 2 years ago, then good riddance.

[mcfly1204]

I think it makes more sense to sign Gee to a 3 year, $12-13 million deal with the 3rd year being a player option. Keep the kid around, but make him work for that next contract.

[zol2332]

I think it makes more sense to sign Gee to a 3 year, $12-13 million deal with the 3rd year being a player option. Keep the kid around, but make him work for that next contract.

I like that. Then again, it's in this kid's nature to work. We would have to pay for that next contract....

[mcfly1204]

I think it makes more sense to sign Gee to a 3 year, $12-13 million deal with the 3rd year being a player option. Keep the kid around, but make him work for that next contract.

I like that. Then again, it's in this kid's nature to work. We would have to pay for that next contract....

At that point, we would likely have no reason not to give Gee a sizable contract. Either he continues to improve and he is worth at least the MLE over 4-5 years, or his development slows to the point where he is only going to get more of the same.

[Cavsfan9000]

The Suns are trying to troll us again