Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

It's been mentioned in other threads, but it was clear that we sorely lacked a third big in the NYK series. I keep circling back to John Collins, can his shooting bounce back, and could he be a young, buy low piece? I am still on board with starting Mobley and Allen, but having someone off the bench who can stretch the floor and grab some rebounds seems critical. Who else is out there who fits that mold?

Buy low? Collins is owed a ton of money. What's even the basis of our offer and why would Atlanta want it? Just to dump him?

Even an Allen for Collins swap makes no sense since they have Capella, something like that would need to be a 3 team deal where Allen goes to a team that needs him and Atlanta gets something they want.

[mcfly1204]

It's been mentioned in other threads, but it was clear that we sorely lacked a third big in the NYK series. I keep circling back to John Collins, can his shooting bounce back, and could he be a young, buy low piece? I am still on board with starting Mobley and Allen, but having someone off the bench who can stretch the floor and grab some rebounds seems critical. Who else is out there who fits that mold?

Buy low? Collins is owed a ton of money. What's even the basis of our offer and why would Atlanta want it? Just to dump him?

Even an Allen for Collins swap makes no sense since they have Capella, something like that would need to be a 3 team deal where Allen goes to a team that needs him and Atlanta gets something they want.

Buy low in that you're not trading for a 25 year old All-Star caliber player, you're trading for a rehab project to see if he can earn his salary. I was approaching this in two phases, would we even want him, and then how can we get him. It feels like Atlanta may have to make some tough choices, e.g. do they move on from Trae? If so, can we get involved somehow, eat some long term money, that sort of thing.

[toooskies]

It's been mentioned in other threads, but it was clear that we sorely lacked a third big in the NYK series. I keep circling back to John Collins, can his shooting bounce back, and could he be a young, buy low piece? I am still on board with starting Mobley and Allen, but having someone off the bench who can stretch the floor and grab some rebounds seems critical. Who else is out there who fits that mold?

Buy low? Collins is owed a ton of money. What's even the basis of our offer and why would Atlanta want it? Just to dump him?

Even an Allen for Collins swap makes no sense since they have Capella, something like that would need to be a 3 team deal where Allen goes to a team that needs him and Atlanta gets something they want.

Buy low in that you're not trading for a 25 year old All-Star caliber player, you're trading for a rehab project to see if he can earn his salary. I was approaching this in two phases, would we even want him, and then how can we get him. It feels like Atlanta may have to make some tough choices, e.g. do they move on from Trae? If so, can we get involved somehow, eat some long term money, that sort of thing.

He'd be a good replacement for what Kevin Love brought in 2021-22. It's just hard to figure out how to make the numbers line up.

One option would be a S&T of LeVert, but I don't think Atlanta's interested there.

Another option is to sign someone to the MLE and then trade them along with a couple smaller salaries (two of Rubio, Wade, Osman, Okoro) when they're eligible to be traded on Dec 15th. But that means whatever hole we filled with the MLE becomes open again.

Or just all four of Rubio, Wade, Osman, Okoro. That's a serious hit to our depth, so maybe Atlanta can throw in some low-salary guys who might sniff a rotation-- Jalen Johnson I guess? Not sure who else.

[jbk1234]

It's been mentioned in other threads, but it was clear that we sorely lacked a third big in the NYK series. I keep circling back to John Collins, can his shooting bounce back, and could he be a young, buy low piece? I am still on board with starting Mobley and Allen, but having someone off the bench who can stretch the floor and grab some rebounds seems critical. Who else is out there who fits that mold?

He's not buy low on that contract. Matching salaries would be really tough and almost certainly involve sending out LeVert in a S&T, plus Cedi, and/or Wade with both LeVert and Cedi going to third teams. But if I'm helping the Hawks save $23M per, I want Jalen Jones back as well.

[JonFromVA]

It's been mentioned in other threads, but it was clear that we sorely lacked a third big in the NYK series. I keep circling back to John Collins, can his shooting bounce back, and could he be a young, buy low piece? I am still on board with starting Mobley and Allen, but having someone off the bench who can stretch the floor and grab some rebounds seems critical. Who else is out there who fits that mold?

Buy low? Collins is owed a ton of money. What's even the basis of our offer and why would Atlanta want it? Just to dump him?

Even an Allen for Collins swap makes no sense since they have Capella, something like that would need to be a 3 team deal where Allen goes to a team that needs him and Atlanta gets something they want.

Buy low in that you're not trading for a 25 year old All-Star caliber player, you're trading for a rehab project to see if he can earn his salary. I was approaching this in two phases, would we even want him, and then how can we get him. It feels like Atlanta may have to make some tough choices, e.g. do they move on from Trae? If so, can we get involved somehow, eat some long term money, that sort of thing.

We're talking a $78M gamble for a team that has to be very careful managing cap space on a player that hasn't been the same since a series of injuries and has a PED suspension on his record.

Well, seems to me: we can't risk him, we can't afford him, and even coming up with a trade proposal is problematic.

[mcfly1204]

Pardon my ignorance here, but we are going to be capped out for the foreseeable future. With the picks that we gave up for Mitchell, what options do we have to improve the roster? Exceptions?

[jbk1234]

Pardon my ignorance here, but we are going to be capped out for the foreseeable future. With the picks that we gave up for Mitchell, what options do we have to improve the roster? Exceptions?

I feel like exceptions are going to be more valuable under the new CBA. Too many NBA teams decided to operate as over the cap teams in perpetuity and the bill was coming due for that before the NBA instituted a second apron with stiffer penalties. Teams are going to be looking to dump out of contracts, it's not going to come cheap, and when they're successful, that's going to take fewer cap space teams away as buyers. Teams will be more aggressive with buyouts when they're unsuccessful at salary dump trades, and IIRC, those buyouts now have to occur before the season starts or they count for tax purposes. There are going to be players who aren't going to want to play on the MLE who are going to have to take it, and they're going to have good trade value on those deals.

[JonFromVA]

Pardon my ignorance here, but we are going to be capped out for the foreseeable future. With the picks that we gave up for Mitchell, what options do we have to improve the roster? Exceptions?

We have a second round pick in this draft, a first that can be traded after the draft in 2024, and that's also when we can start trading picks and swaps beyond what we owe Utah if we're so inclined. We will also have a first round pick in the swap years we can trade after the draft in those years.

With so few teams owning so many picks, it seems likely something will shake out from that whether it's picks being sold for cash, players who haven't done much in their first couple of seasons being released, or swaps for future picks.

Beyond that, yes, exceptions, 2nd round picks, undrafted players, player development, and trades.

[ijspeelman]

Pardon my ignorance here, but we are going to be capped out for the foreseeable future. With the picks that we gave up for Mitchell, what options do we have to improve the roster? Exceptions?

We have a second round pick in this draft, a first that can be traded after the draft in 2024, and that's also when we can start trading picks and swaps beyond what we owe Utah if we're so inclined. We will also have a first round pick in the swap years we can trade after the draft in those years.

With so few teams owning so many picks, it seems likely something will shake out from that whether it's picks being sold for cash, players who haven't done much in their first couple of seasons being released, or swaps for future picks.

Beyond that, yes, exceptions, 2nd round picks, undrafted players, player development, and trades.

There is a large emphasis on the player development angle. If that doesn't work as intended, we will not be serious contenders in the short term.

[tundraknight]

Cavaliers looking to trade up in the NBA Draft.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-3-contenders-eyeing-trades-up-into-20s-30s-2023-nba-draft

No surprise at all that the LeVert trade came back to bite them in the ass as he essentially accomplished nothing.

[toooskies]

Cavaliers looking to trade up in the NBA Draft.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-3-contenders-eyeing-trades-up-into-20s-30s-2023-nba-draft

No surprise at all that the LeVert trade came back to bite them in the ass as he essentially accomplished nothing.

Just floating out that we're looking to trade up might be necessary to get guys who are actually available in our range to agree to a workout. Not that I'd mind trading up if we think we can find a contributor, but guys available at the end of the 1st are available there for a reason.

[JonFromVA]

Cavaliers looking to trade up in the NBA Draft.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-3-contenders-eyeing-trades-up-into-20s-30s-2023-nba-draft

No surprise at all that the LeVert trade came back to bite them in the ass as he essentially accomplished nothing.

Just floating out that we're looking to trade up might be necessary to get guys who are actually available in our range to agree to a workout. Not that I'd mind trading up if we think we can find a contributor, but guys available at the end of the 1st are available there for a reason.

Presumably more options at the end of the first than the end of the second if we can pull it off, but we need a seller who doesn't want the pick ... and our offer had better beat other teams (cash? this years 2nd? future 2nds? etc)

[JujitsuFlip]

I'd be fine with the Cavs trading up, depending what they have to give up to do so.

[gflem]

Cavaliers looking to trade up in the NBA Draft.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-3-contenders-eyeing-trades-up-into-20s-30s-2023-nba-draft

No surprise at all that the LeVert trade came back to bite them in the ass as he essentially accomplished nothing.

Just floating out that we're looking to trade up might be necessary to get guys who are actually available in our range to agree to a workout. Not that I'd mind trading up if we think we can find a contributor, but guys available at the end of the 1st are available there for a reason.

Presumably more options at the end of the first than the end of the second if we can pull it off, but we need a seller who doesn't want the pick ... and our offer had better beat other teams (cash? this years 2nd? future 2nds? etc)

Possibly Indy, with 26, 29, and 32? They don't need expirings though, I guess future 2nds with cash could get something done? Allen to ?, GS for Kuminga+ (not advocating this), the Rockets (picks plus a wing?)if they know they are getting Harden, but either way it leaves an even bigger hole up front.
I am all for the Cavs buying a pick or picks and shipping multiple 2nds if there is a player that they think will help. Plus, I really enjoy the offseason and all the trade talk almost as much as the regular season.

[jbk1234]

Just floating out that we're looking to trade up might be necessary to get guys who are actually available in our range to agree to a workout. Not that I'd mind trading up if we think we can find a contributor, but guys available at the end of the 1st are available there for a reason.

Presumably more options at the end of the first than the end of the second if we can pull it off, but we need a seller who doesn't want the pick ... and our offer had better beat other teams (cash? this years 2nd? future 2nds? etc)

Possibly Indy, with 26, 29, and 32? They don't need expirings though, I guess future 2nds with cash could get something done? Allen to ?, GS for Kuminga+ (not advocating this), the Rockets (picks plus a wing?)if they know they are getting Harden, but either way it leaves an even bigger hole up front.
I am all for the Cavs buying a pick or picks and shipping multiple 2nds if there is a player that they think will help. Plus, I really enjoy the offseason and all the trade talk almost as much as the regular season.

The Cavs aren't trading Allen so they can pick someone in the back end of the first round.

[JujitsuFlip]

Just floating out that we're looking to trade up might be necessary to get guys who are actually available in our range to agree to a workout. Not that I'd mind trading up if we think we can find a contributor, but guys available at the end of the 1st are available there for a reason.

Presumably more options at the end of the first than the end of the second if we can pull it off, but we need a seller who doesn't want the pick ... and our offer had better beat other teams (cash? this years 2nd? future 2nds? etc)

Possibly Indy, with 26, 29, and 32? They don't need expirings though, I guess future 2nds with cash could get something done? Allen to ?, GS for Kuminga+ (not advocating this), the Rockets (picks plus a wing?)if they know they are getting Harden, but either way it leaves an even bigger hole up front.
I am all for the Cavs buying a pick or picks and shipping multiple 2nds if there is a player that they think will help. Plus, I really enjoy the offseason and all the trade talk almost as much as the regular season.

I enjoy the off-season too.

[gflem]

Presumably more options at the end of the first than the end of the second if we can pull it off, but we need a seller who doesn't want the pick ... and our offer had better beat other teams (cash? this years 2nd? future 2nds? etc)

Possibly Indy, with 26, 29, and 32? They don't need expirings though, I guess future 2nds with cash could get something done? Allen to ?, GS for Kuminga+ (not advocating this), the Rockets (picks plus a wing?)if they know they are getting Harden, but either way it leaves an even bigger hole up front.
I am all for the Cavs buying a pick or picks and shipping multiple 2nds if there is a player that they think will help. Plus, I really enjoy the offseason and all the trade talk almost as much as the regular season.

The Cavs aren't trading Allen so they can pick someone in the back end of the first round.

Really, that's what you took from my post? I wouldn't trade Allen for pick 20, multiple picks 20 this year+ future first +Eason? Would need a third team, then use picks for upgrade at C? Just spit balling, that's why we are here right? For the record I don't want to move Allen but of the core four he is the most likely to be moved if any of them were moved imo. I am not going to get into the 2 paragraphs of why he should or shouldn't be traded, I'm just throwing ideas out there.

[JujitsuFlip]

Fedor listed a lot of draft prospects but of the lot, Kris Murray is the most intriguing to me, if the Cavs trade up.

Edit: realized he's Keegan Murray's twin, makes me want the Cavs to draft him even more. He would be a solid fit with Mobley and Allen in the front court.

[jbk1234]

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[mg]

I believe Porzingis might be a better fit next to Mobley but I see no way they can pay him upwards of $40 mil per season and still pay max contracts to DG, Mitchell, and Mobley in 2 years. If he opts out of $36 mil for next season it is likely to get a raise. He's actually eligible for a 4 year $180 mil extension although that seems pricey for a guy whose value was so depressed just a season ago. With the new CBA Cavs would be seriously into that 2nd apron with just those 4 guys on the roster.