Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

I believe Porzingis might be a better fit next to Mobley but I see no way they can pay him upwards of $40 mil per season and still pay max contracts to DG, Mitchell, and Mobley in 2 years. If he opts out of $36 mil for next season it is likely to get a raise. He's actually eligible for a 4 year $180 mil extension although that seems pricey for a guy whose value was so depressed just a season ago. With the new CBA Cavs would be seriously into that 2nd apron with just those 4 guys on the roster.

If he opts in, it's because there's no one out there who's willing to pay him as much as he's owed. Given his injury history, I'd need him to agree to extend around $25M per to consider something like this, and I don't think he would.

[JujitsuFlip]

Shoot bring on KP, I'm for it.

[mcfly1204]

Shoot bring on KP, I'm for it.

Love the fit, but there are 82+ reasons why it does not make sense.

[JujitsuFlip]

Shoot bring on KP, I'm for it.

Love the fit, but there are 82+ reasons why it does not make sense.

Huh? lol

He's a better fit than Allen but idk what his extension will be.

[mcfly1204]

Shoot bring on KP, I'm for it.

Love the fit, but there are 82+ reasons why it does not make sense.

Huh? lol

He's a better fit than Allen but idk what his extension will be.

Wake up, the guy misses tons of games.

[JujitsuFlip]

Love the fit, but there are 82+ reasons why it does not make sense.

Huh? lol

He's a better fit than Allen but idk what his extension will be.

Wake up, the guy misses tons of games.

Who cares lol his ceiling is higher, that's what matters.

[mcfly1204]

Huh? lol

He's a better fit than Allen but idk what his extension will be.

Wake up, the guy misses tons of games.

Who cares lol his ceiling is higher, that's what matters.

Zeke, is that you???

[jbk1234]

Huh? lol

He's a better fit than Allen but idk what his extension will be.

Wake up, the guy misses tons of games.

Who cares lol his ceiling is higher, that's what matters.

Not if he's in a walking boot or unavailable for the playoffs.

[KuruptedCav]

https://www.uline.com/Cls_17/Bubble-Wrap

Where’s KP?

Also, this is where a Love S&T on a 1+2 would be useful. Thanks JBB.


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[mcfly1204]

https://www.uline.com/Cls_17/Bubble-Wrap

Where’s KP?

Also, this is where a Love S&T on a 1+2 would be useful. Thanks JBB.

Coaches don't release players...

[jbk1234]

https://www.uline.com/Cls_17/Bubble-Wrap

Where’s KP?

Also, this is where a Love S&T on a 1+2 would be useful. Thanks JBB.


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There's a really significant sample size of KP blowing up the Mavs seasons and playoffs by getting injured. The Mavs shopped far and wide for a trade to get him off the roster. They ended up taking back Bertans and Dinwiddie in what was considered a negative value package at the time.

I don't think Cavs fans appreciate how lucky the Cavs are to have Allen at $20M per for three more seasons. He has real trade value on that deal. In addition to KP having to agree to a team-friendly extension, I'd want something from the Wizards that reflected that reality.

[ijspeelman]

This is coming from a Wizards reporter

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I don’t know how I feel about this.

On one hand, we get the spacer from the 5 position we want, but on the other we are sacrificing a lot of defense and PNR prowess.

It could work though.

[JujitsuFlip]

Wake up, the guy misses tons of games.

Who cares lol his ceiling is higher, that's what matters.

Not if he's in a walking boot or unavailable for the playoffs.

Well, Allen hasn't been a goode example of health when it counts for the Cavs.

In March 2022 fractures a finger on his non shooting hand that causes him to miss the first play-in game and essentially play one handed in the second game.

In March 2023 he gets an eye contusion, then a strained groin. Both of which easily coulda contributed to him getting pushed around by every single Knicks big man.

The Cavs kinda lost the ability to be picky when talent comes around when they made the Mitchell trade.

[jbk1234]

Who cares lol his ceiling is higher, that's what matters.

Not if he's in a walking boot or unavailable for the playoffs.

Well, Allen hasn't been a goode example of health when it counts for the Cavs.

In March 2022 fractures a finger on his non shooting hand that causes him to miss the first play-in game and essentially play one handed in the second game.

In March 2023 he gets an eye contusion, then a strained groin. Both of which easily coulda contributed to him getting pushed around by every single Knicks big man.

The Cavs kinda lost the ability to be picky when talent comes around when they made the Mitchell trade.

If you think you took an L in a trade, the answer isn't to compensate by taking more Ls in more trades. We were a 50-win team last season. Most of our potential trade partners aren't so lucky.

Now, next summer, if we're coming off another unimpressive first-round out, then you have to start reevaluating.

[KuruptedCav]

https://www.uline.com/Cls_17/Bubble-Wrap

Where’s KP?

Also, this is where a Love S&T on a 1+2 would be useful. Thanks JBB.


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There's a really significant sample size of KP blowing up the Mavs seasons and playoffs by getting injured. The Mavs shopped far and wide for a trade to get him off the roster. They ended up taking back Bertans and Dinwiddie in what was considered a negative value package at the time.

I don't think Cavs fans appreciate how lucky the Cavs are to have Allen at $20M per for three more seasons. He has real trade value on that deal. In addition to KP having to agree to a team-friendly extension, I'd want something from the Wizards that reflected that reality.

When it’s “just money” I can swallow taking the KP risk. I know it’s a “lot” of money and comes with some steep flexibility costs.

That risk, at the player cost required of the Cavs is a non-starter. He could be Z like or he could be out of the league.


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[JujitsuFlip]

Not if he's in a walking boot or unavailable for the playoffs.

Well, Allen hasn't been a goode example of health when it counts for the Cavs.

In March 2022 fractures a finger on his non shooting hand that causes him to miss the first play-in game and essentially play one handed in the second game.

In March 2023 he gets an eye contusion, then a strained groin. Both of which easily coulda contributed to him getting pushed around by every single Knicks big man.

The Cavs kinda lost the ability to be picky when talent comes around when they made the Mitchell trade.

If you think you took an L in a trade, the answer isn't to compensate by taking more Ls in more trades. We were a 50-win team last season. Most of our potential trade partners aren't so lucky.

Now, next summer, if we're coming off another unimpressive first-round out, then you have to start reevaluating.

It's all hypothetical, Koby already said no major shakeups will happen this summer.

But in the hypothetical, all it takes is 1 season, look at the Nuggets who finally got healthy and won a title.

Cavs already mortgaged the future, can't try to play it safe now, the future has already been mortgaged.

Same exact reason I'm fine if the starting SF is over 30, it's irrelevant to want to keep a 22 year old dude at SF, if he doesn't fit.

[jbk1234]

Well, Allen hasn't been a goode example of health when it counts for the Cavs.

In March 2022 fractures a finger on his non shooting hand that causes him to miss the first play-in game and essentially play one handed in the second game.

In March 2023 he gets an eye contusion, then a strained groin. Both of which easily coulda contributed to him getting pushed around by every single Knicks big man.

The Cavs kinda lost the ability to be picky when talent comes around when they made the Mitchell trade.

If you think you took an L in a trade, the answer isn't to compensate by taking more Ls in more trades. We were a 50-win team last season. Most of our potential trade partners aren't so lucky.

Now, next summer, if we're coming off another unimpressive first-round out, then you have to start reevaluating.

It's all hypothetical, Koby already said no major shakeups will happen this summer.

But in the hypothetical, all it takes is 1 season, look at the Nuggets who finally got healthy and won a title.

Cavs already mortgaged the future, can't try to play it safe now, the future has already been mortgaged.

Same exact reason I'm fine if the starting SF is over 30, it's irrelevant to want to keep a 22 year old dude at SF, if he doesn't fit.

What you want is the best possible team in place two years from now when Mobley comes of his rookie contract, you no longer have any cap to play with, and we start conveying picks to the Jazz for five years running.

They've got another year to figure it out IMO. Altman can go grab a couple shooters this summer. But I'm not sold on JBB, they don't do Mulligans in the NBA, and there are too many desperate teams out there for us to be taking Ls in trades, especially ones that will foreclose future options.

[JonFromVA]

Well, Allen hasn't been a goode example of health when it counts for the Cavs.

In March 2022 fractures a finger on his non shooting hand that causes him to miss the first play-in game and essentially play one handed in the second game.

In March 2023 he gets an eye contusion, then a strained groin. Both of which easily coulda contributed to him getting pushed around by every single Knicks big man.

The Cavs kinda lost the ability to be picky when talent comes around when they made the Mitchell trade.

If you think you took an L in a trade, the answer isn't to compensate by taking more Ls in more trades. We were a 50-win team last season. Most of our potential trade partners aren't so lucky.

Now, next summer, if we're coming off another unimpressive first-round out, then you have to start reevaluating.

It's all hypothetical, Koby already said no major shakeups will happen this summer.

But in the hypothetical, all it takes is 1 season, look at the Nuggets who finally got healthy and won a title.

Cavs already mortgaged the future, can't try to play it safe now, the future has already been mortgaged.

Same exact reason I'm fine if the starting SF is over 30, it's irrelevant to want to keep a 22 year old dude at SF, if he doesn't fit.

Isn't Denver a lesson in building a core and staying the course?

They stuck with their coach, they stuck with their core, they simply waited out their injuries while the team continued to improve and the opportunity to find the right complimentary pieces eventually came together.

They added KCP who is 29, Brown 26, and Gordon 27 around Jokic who is 27 and so far haven't over-payed for any of them, but we'll see what they do with Brown.

I'd rather see the Cavs target younger rotational players and try to avoid stop gaps and albatrosses that might derail what we're building. Alas, we have to manage the salary windows so players are contributing while we can still afford them.

[JujitsuFlip]

If you think you took an L in a trade, the answer isn't to compensate by taking more Ls in more trades. We were a 50-win team last season. Most of our potential trade partners aren't so lucky.

Now, next summer, if we're coming off another unimpressive first-round out, then you have to start reevaluating.

It's all hypothetical, Koby already said no major shakeups will happen this summer.

But in the hypothetical, all it takes is 1 season, look at the Nuggets who finally got healthy and won a title.

Cavs already mortgaged the future, can't try to play it safe now, the future has already been mortgaged.

Same exact reason I'm fine if the starting SF is over 30, it's irrelevant to want to keep a 22 year old dude at SF, if he doesn't fit.

Isn't Denver a lesson in building a core and staying the course?

They stuck with their coach, they stuck with their core, they simply waited out their injuries while the team continued to improve and the opportunity to find the right complimentary pieces eventually came together.

They added KCP who is 29, Brown 26, and Gordon 27 around Jokic who is 27 and so far haven't over-payed for any of them, but we'll see what they do with Brown.

I'd rather see the Cavs target younger rotational players and try to avoid stop gaps and albatrosses that might derail what we're building. Alas, we have to manage the salary windows so players are contributing while we can still afford them.

Our coach is not their coach, not all coaches are created equal.

Cavs didn't stick with their core, they just traded an All-Star, Sexton, 3 unprotected future first, 2 unprotected swaps future firsts, and the rights to Agbaji drafted #14.

Who are you considering their core? Jokic, Murray, and MPJ? Cool, Garland and Mobley are our equivalent. Attached is a picture of the Nugs roster from when Malone took over in 2015.

I'm not sure the path forward is exactly clear for this Cavs squad.

[ijspeelman]

It's all hypothetical, Koby already said no major shakeups will happen this summer.

But in the hypothetical, all it takes is 1 season, look at the Nuggets who finally got healthy and won a title.

Cavs already mortgaged the future, can't try to play it safe now, the future has already been mortgaged.

Same exact reason I'm fine if the starting SF is over 30, it's irrelevant to want to keep a 22 year old dude at SF, if he doesn't fit.

Isn't Denver a lesson in building a core and staying the course?

They stuck with their coach, they stuck with their core, they simply waited out their injuries while the team continued to improve and the opportunity to find the right complimentary pieces eventually came together.

They added KCP who is 29, Brown 26, and Gordon 27 around Jokic who is 27 and so far haven't over-payed for any of them, but we'll see what they do with Brown.

I'd rather see the Cavs target younger rotational players and try to avoid stop gaps and albatrosses that might derail what we're building. Alas, we have to manage the salary windows so players are contributing while we can still afford them.

Our coach is not their coach, not all coaches are created equal.

Cavs didn't stick with their core, they just traded an All-Star, Sexton, 3 unprotected future first, 2 unprotected swaps future firsts, and the rights to Agbaji drafted #14.

Who are you considering their core? Jokic, Murray, and MPJ? Cool, Garland and Mobley are our equivalent. Attached is a picture of the Nugs roster from when Malone took over in 2015.

I'm not sure the path forward is exactly clear for this Cavs squad.

I am hoping we are nearer the 2018-19 core of the Nuggets than we are 2015-16 Nuggets.