Trade Ideas

[heathmalc]

The Kings appear to be in full tank mode to keep their 2012 pick which makes a deal making it more likely for the CAVs getting that pick more remote.

IMO, awful for a trade ideal, for a starting point, is a little harsh. A long shot might be the CAVs asking for the option to swap 1st round picks with the Kings in 2012 as part of a Sessions transaction.

The only way this would be "legal" is if the Cavaliers also gave Sacramento it's 2012 draft pick back. Currently, the Cavs hold the rights to the Kings 2012 pick (even though it is protected, and we all know that the protection on the pick will keep the pick in Sacramento), and the Kings, due to NBA rules, cannot make any further deals with that pick until after the season is complete & it is definitely staying with them.

The idea of the Cavaliers giving the Kings back their pick for free, just for the right to swap picks makes no sense for Cleveland, not to mention losing a player that is likely worth a 1st rounder on his own, makes absolutely no sense.

The only way that the Cavaliers should make any deal with Sacramento is if the Kings were to agree to a deal along these lines:

Sacramento gets: Sessions, Their 2012 #1 returned.

Cavaliers get: 2012 2nd round pick from Kings, 2013 1st (top-5 protection in 13, top-3 in 14, top-3 in 15, unprotected in 16).

Why for each team -

Kings: Sessions and a top player from 2012 draft likely makes Sacramento a threat to make playoffs within the next two years anyway, so they would end up losing that pick (say 2014) anyway, meaning they would be giving up a 2nd rounder for Sessions - A good deal for them.

Cavaliers: The Cavaliers get another high 2012 2nd rounder (they already own New Orleans', and their own), meaning they could conceivably trade those three high 2nd rounders for a 20-something 1st in 2012. In-addition, the Cavs guarantee the Sacramento future 1st, with less protection (as it stands, it is possible that the Cavs will never get the pick, as the protection on the pick is very strong, and if the Cavs dont get the pick by 2017, then they never will).

[rjgraca]

Can you please quote me the CBA points about swapping 1st round picks since the CAVs already have their (Kings) non-lottery pick rights. So you saying that if the Kings got the 3rd pick and the CAVs were at 12 in 2012... it would be illegal to switch positions with the CAVs having the 3rd pick and the Kings at 12. I said it would be a long shot and it was an option to be exercised by the CAVS. Of course, if the CAVs are at the 5 position and the Kings are at 7 the CAVs have the 'option' to not swap pics and retain the Kings pick rights for the next 5 years.

How is moving up in the draft position free... in my experience it always costs something extra to move up in any draft I know of.

Since your such an expert on illegal matters of NBA trades (CBA expert?) Please direct me to the part of the CAVs not being allowed to enhance their draft position by slightly modifying the original protection with an option for 2012 of swapping picks that the CAVs already have an interest in.

Your proposed deal would fit CBA trade rules, but I can't see the Kings having much interest in your proposal either--- let's call it a long shot too.

[andyhop]

Can you please quote me the CBA points about swapping 1st round picks since the CAVs already have their (Kings) non-lottery pick rights. So you saying that if the Kings got the 3rd pick and the CAVs were at 12 in 2012... it would be illegal to switch positions with the CAVs having the 3rd pick and the Kings at 12. I said it would be a long shot and it was an option to be exercised by the CAVS. Of course, if the CAVs are at the 5 position and the Kings are at 7 the CAVs have the 'option' to not swap pics and retain the Kings pick rights for the next 5 years.



Since your such an expert on illegal matters of NBA trades (CBA expert?) Please direct me to the part of the CAVs not being allowed to enhance their draft position by slightly modifying the original protection with an option for 2012 of swapping picks that the CAVs already have an interest in.

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You can do the trade you wanted to ,you just officially trade the Kings Sessions + the first round pick they owe you for their first round pick with the changed protection on it.

Golden State did it a couple of years ago

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-warriorsnets092009&expire=1

[TheOUTLAW]

The Kings appear to be in full tank mode to keep their 2012 pick which makes a deal making it more likely for the CAVs getting that pick more remote.

IMO, awful for a trade ideal, for a starting point, is a little harsh. A long shot might be the CAVs asking for the option to swap 1st round picks with the Kings in 2012 as part of a Sessions transaction.

Weren't those guys talking about how good they'd be this year? Dang it seems that the Kings tank every year.

[jjtreyball]

Magic fan/really like kyrie and I kinda like the cavs post Lebron era they have a bright future...but I was wondering if u guys would do this? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6oulsuy it's not rumored anywhere but I think it would be perfect for both teams..what are your thoughts?

[heathmalc]

Can you please quote me the CBA points about swapping 1st round picks since the CAVs already have their (Kings) non-lottery pick rights. So you saying that if the Kings got the 3rd pick and the CAVs were at 12 in 2012... it would be illegal to switch positions with the CAVs having the 3rd pick and the Kings at 12. I said it would be a long shot and it was an option to be exercised by the CAVS. Of course, if the CAVs are at the 5 position and the Kings are at 7 the CAVs have the 'option' to not swap pics and retain the Kings pick rights for the next 5 years.



Since your such an expert on illegal matters of NBA trades (CBA expert?) Please direct me to the part of the CAVs not being allowed to enhance their draft position by slightly modifying the original protection with an option for 2012 of swapping picks that the CAVs already have an interest in.

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Obviously you didn't read what I said because you were too busy trying to prove yourself right.

READ WHAT I SAID:

The only way this would be "legal" is if the Cavaliers also gave Sacramento it's 2012 draft pick back. Currently, the Cavs hold the rights to the Kings 2012 pick (even though it is protected, and we all know that the protection on the pick will keep the pick in Sacramento), and the Kings, due to NBA rules, cannot make any further deals with that pick until after the season is complete & it is definitely staying with them.

As for the quoted Golden State trade:

You can do the trade you wanted to ,you just officially trade the Kings Sessions + the first round pick they owe you for their first round pick with the changed protection on it.

Golden State did it a couple of years ago

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-warriorsnets092009&expire=1

The original 1st owed to Jersey was re-aquired by Golden State for the Warriors two 2nd round picks and the 2012 1st.

This trade was not the same as the earlier proposed idea that Worked like this:

GS got: 2011 1st (previously owed to NJ)

NJ got: 2012 1st from GS, plus two second round picks.

(If you look at my proposed idea, it is much the same as this one, only the Cavs would get 1 less 2nd rounder than NJ received)

And for further clarification, in this proposed trade, it would not be Sacramento who would be attempting to make a deal with a previously traded pick (2012 1st), it would be the Cavaliers, who own the pick, that would be the initiator of the trade (as far as the paperwork would go), just like in the GS/NJ trade it was NJ, not GS, who initiated the trade (as far as the paperwork went).

[rjgraca]

^ You're just blowing smoke heathmalc, you didn't answer my question asking for the CBA linkage which makes this your opinion. It takes two parties to make an agreement which is why the CAVs would have to negotiate with the Kings to enhance their rights to that pick.

Outlaw, the Kings fans are always talking up their team--- but they haven't made a move on veterans like Andre Miller who could put them in a playoff situation. At this point it appears that Sacramento is in the same situation as Seattle was in before they moved to OKC where Seattle suffered the pain while OKC got the gain.

jjtreyball, your proposed trade involving Cousins and Varejao as principle parts is interesting and creative, but I don't think the Kings are in win now mode which is what this deal would do for them.
The Cavs are rebuilding and I would think they would consider this.

[heathmalc]

^ You're just blowing smoke heathmalc, you didn't answer my question asking for the CBA linkage which makes this your opinion. It takes two parties to make an agreement which is why the CAVs would have to negotiate with the Kings to enhance their rights to that pick.

Call it what you want, I could care less. Whether you believe it or not doesn't make it any less true.

However, if it makes you feel better to say you're right & I'm wrong... then go for it. I hope it makes your whole day brighter.

Peace out.

[Noonskadoodle]

Magic fan here, just wondering what the price on Sessions is since it seems you guys could part with him.

[B Mac]

Looking for a mid to late first rounder. Give it to us.

[TheOUTLAW]

I'm sorry for post padding but that was hilarious Bmac. "Give it to us"

[Rise Against]

I had myself a good laugh as well. It's like he really want Sessions gone.

[HMFFL]

Any interesting in the follow trade idea?

Everyone knows Joe Johnson's contract status, but with Kyri, and some of your other pieces next year would look promising with Joe Johnson at the 2.

To Cleveland:
Joe Johnson
First RD Pick(s) (top 5 protected)

To Atlanta:
Antawn Jamison (Expiring)
Ramon Sessions

[Jajwanda]

Would you guys want Steve Blake as Kyrie's backup or straight cap space?

[B Mac]

Any interesting in the follow trade idea?

Everyone knows Joe Johnson's contract status, but with Kyri, and some of your other pieces next year would look promising with Joe Johnson at the 2.

To Cleveland:
Joe Johnson
First RD Pick(s) (top 5 protected)

To Atlanta:
Antawn Jamison (Expiring)
Ramon Sessions

I cant believe Joe Johnson is going to be getting paid 26 million in 2016. His salary is just too tough of a pill to swallow.

[Jajwanda]

Parker as a throw-in a Sessions deal.

[ScramboD8]

Would you guys want Steve Blake as Kyrie's backup or straight cap space?

If you guys trade for Sessions I don't see Blake being a part of the deal.

[jpsteven]

Would you guys want Steve Blake as Kyrie's backup or straight cap space?

We are looking for a first round pick for Sessions who has been playing good basketball for us. The Cavs and Lakers seem like perfect trade partners but it remains to be seen whether we would be willing to take back salary or demand the TPE. I wouldn't mind Parker being a throw-in but to let you know he has been injured for half the year so far and is still out. Cavs management likes him as a veteran mentor though so who knows.

[blackham9258]

AL Jefferson for Jamison / This years first rounder #1 protected.

You get a 20/10 center/PF to pair with your defensive minded center. We get your pick which at this point is likely to be 6-10, and more likely 10 if you get Jefferson.

Thoughts or tweeks.... to protection... let me know.

[TheOUTLAW]

Any interesting in the follow trade idea?

Everyone knows Joe Johnson's contract status, but with Kyri, and some of your other pieces next year would look promising with Joe Johnson at the 2.

To Cleveland:
Joe Johnson
First RD Pick(s) (top 5 protected)

To Atlanta:
Antawn Jamison (Expiring)
Ramon Sessions

Joe Johnson has the worst contract is all of basketball. And, you'd be asking for protection on the pick. That is complete madness. Just an awful idea for the Cavs and it is bad utilization of the few trade assets that we have.

I see that Jefferson is finally starting to play up to his talent, but he's still way overpaid for what he does. No way would I give you a first for him.