2023-24 Regular Season

[JujitsuFlip]

I just don't think Bernie has a big role in the front office-- he's not the POBO, GM, or VP of anything. He isn't a decision-maker. He's just a Senior Advisor, which pretty much means he answers the phone when his son calls and has access to team resources to help with any advice he gives.

So the nepotism call-outs seem silly. Bernie can be out as quickly as JB.

He's for sure advocating for his son though, make no mistake about that.

Bernie has been apart of the Cavs FO since 2014, it's not like he was gifted some role once his son joined the Cavs in 2019.

[toooskies]

I just don't think Bernie has a big role in the front office-- he's not the POBO, GM, or VP of anything. He isn't a decision-maker. He's just a Senior Advisor, which pretty much means he answers the phone when his son calls and has access to team resources to help with any advice he gives.

So the nepotism call-outs seem silly. Bernie can be out as quickly as JB.

He's for sure advocating for his son though, make no mistake about that.

Bernie has been apart of the Cavs FO since 2014, it's not like he was gifted some role once his son joined the Cavs in 2019.

Sure, but Head Coach of the team is of higher importance and visibility than Senior Advisor. JBB has accountability far beyond what a Senior Advisor. I'm sure Bernie isn't invited to the meetings where Koby gathers opinions about the future employment of JB.

Nepotism implies that you get a job despite not having the credentials for it because you are related. JBB had exactly the credentials you'd want for being the lead assistant to a career college coach in his first NBA job. He had the credentials to be an interim and then head coach after that. He has plenty of positive traits as a coach to go along with team win totals that have exceeded projections two years in a row.

The dude earned his spot. You can argue about what he's done and whether he continues to deserve to be the coach, now that he has had both successes and failures. But implying he doesn't have the credentials to be the head coach is just false. He's had some major successes (two years exceeding win expectations, making somewhat unusual pieces fit together) and some major failures (play-in and playoff results) that any coach would eventually live with.

[JujitsuFlip]

I just don't think Bernie has a big role in the front office-- he's not the POBO, GM, or VP of anything. He isn't a decision-maker. He's just a Senior Advisor, which pretty much means he answers the phone when his son calls and has access to team resources to help with any advice he gives.

So the nepotism call-outs seem silly. Bernie can be out as quickly as JB.

He's for sure advocating for his son though, make no mistake about that.

Bernie has been apart of the Cavs FO since 2014, it's not like he was gifted some role once his son joined the Cavs in 2019.

Sure, but Head Coach of the team is of higher importance and visibility than Senior Advisor. JBB has accountability far beyond what a Senior Advisor. I'm sure Bernie isn't invited to the meetings where Koby gathers opinions about the future employment of JB.

Nepotism implies that you get a job despite not having the credentials for it because you are related. JBB had exactly the credentials you'd want for being the lead assistant to a career college coach in his first NBA job. He had the credentials to be an interim and then head coach after that. He has plenty of positive traits as a coach to go along with team win totals that have exceeded projections two years in a row.

The dude earned his spot. You can argue about what he's done and whether he continues to deserve to be the coach, now that he has had both successes and failures. But implying he doesn't have the credentials to be the head coach is just false. He's had some major successes (two years exceeding win expectations, making somewhat unusual pieces fit together) and some major failures (play-in and playoff results) that any coach would eventually live with.

Meh, i wholly disagree. Nothing really about his résumé screams head coach, especially after having failed as a head coach 2 times previously.

I am fully of the impression that JB landed the Cavs gig because of who his dad is and his FO role with the Cavs... "Give my son a chance".

If I'm running a company looking to fill a position, I'm not thinking very highly of a guy who quit once his temp contract was up at his first job then was fired from his second job. Just kind of a business perspective on it.

[JonFromVA]

I just don't think Bernie has a big role in the front office-- he's not the POBO, GM, or VP of anything. He isn't a decision-maker. He's just a Senior Advisor, which pretty much means he answers the phone when his son calls and has access to team resources to help with any advice he gives.

So the nepotism call-outs seem silly. Bernie can be out as quickly as JB.

He's for sure advocating for his son though, make no mistake about that.

Bernie has been apart of the Cavs FO since 2014, it's not like he was gifted some role once his son joined the Cavs in 2019.

Sure, but Head Coach of the team is of higher importance and visibility than Senior Advisor. JBB has accountability far beyond what a Senior Advisor. I'm sure Bernie isn't invited to the meetings where Koby gathers opinions about the future employment of JB.

Nepotism implies that you get a job despite not having the credentials for it because you are related. JBB had exactly the credentials you'd want for being the lead assistant to a career college coach in his first NBA job. He had the credentials to be an interim and then head coach after that. He has plenty of positive traits as a coach to go along with team win totals that have exceeded projections two years in a row.

The dude earned his spot. You can argue about what he's done and whether he continues to deserve to be the coach, now that he has had both successes and failures. But implying he doesn't have the credentials to be the head coach is just false. He's had some major successes (two years exceeding win expectations, making somewhat unusual pieces fit together) and some major failures (play-in and playoff results) that any coach would eventually live with.

Getting any job with a pro team is much about who you know and your connections. I agree JBB was qualified for the job and his dad working with the organization likely helped make him more comfortable taking it - which is a good thing. The Cavs have to sell people on wanting to work/play for the team.

However, there's no doubt having people who know him well in the building is going to help him; and if Dan feels like listening to any of them, they might even convince him Altman is the problem (assuming they even agree there is one).

[toooskies]

He's for sure advocating for his son though, make no mistake about that.

Bernie has been apart of the Cavs FO since 2014, it's not like he was gifted some role once his son joined the Cavs in 2019.

Sure, but Head Coach of the team is of higher importance and visibility than Senior Advisor. JBB has accountability far beyond what a Senior Advisor. I'm sure Bernie isn't invited to the meetings where Koby gathers opinions about the future employment of JB.

Nepotism implies that you get a job despite not having the credentials for it because you are related. JBB had exactly the credentials you'd want for being the lead assistant to a career college coach in his first NBA job. He had the credentials to be an interim and then head coach after that. He has plenty of positive traits as a coach to go along with team win totals that have exceeded projections two years in a row.

The dude earned his spot. You can argue about what he's done and whether he continues to deserve to be the coach, now that he has had both successes and failures. But implying he doesn't have the credentials to be the head coach is just false. He's had some major successes (two years exceeding win expectations, making somewhat unusual pieces fit together) and some major failures (play-in and playoff results) that any coach would eventually live with.

Meh, i wholly disagree. Nothing really about his résumé screams head coach, especially after having failed as a head coach 2 times previously.

I am fully of the impression that JB landed the Cavs gig because of who his dad is and his FO role with the Cavs... "Give my son a chance".

If I'm running a company looking to fill a position, I'm not thinking very highly of a guy who quit once his temp contract was up at his first job then was fired from his second job. Just kind of a business perspective on it.

Well, I think you're disconnected from reality then.

Everything about his resume when he was hired as associate head coach behind Beilein indicated that was a proper hire, from his previous experience to other teams wanting to hire him (see https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-hire-jb-bickerstaff-as-associate-hc/ ). You obviously promote your associate head coach to interim head coach when your previous head coach quits. The ensuing hiring as head coach was appropriate for at least the team he inherited, an obscenely young team at the bottom of the standings that needed to learn how to play together-- you get the kids to learn how to play defense and buy into systems. He had everything needed to be a developmental head coach, especially for a franchise that wasn't going to pay top dollar for a coach like Detroit did with Monty Williams.

You can argue he's not a contender-level coach-- not an appropriate coach for a team with expectations-- but he absolutely managed the team from a top-of-draft team to a team that the front office thought should be a contender. Exactly the job it was hoped he would do.

[JujitsuFlip]

Sure, but Head Coach of the team is of higher importance and visibility than Senior Advisor. JBB has accountability far beyond what a Senior Advisor. I'm sure Bernie isn't invited to the meetings where Koby gathers opinions about the future employment of JB.

Nepotism implies that you get a job despite not having the credentials for it because you are related. JBB had exactly the credentials you'd want for being the lead assistant to a career college coach in his first NBA job. He had the credentials to be an interim and then head coach after that. He has plenty of positive traits as a coach to go along with team win totals that have exceeded projections two years in a row.

The dude earned his spot. You can argue about what he's done and whether he continues to deserve to be the coach, now that he has had both successes and failures. But implying he doesn't have the credentials to be the head coach is just false. He's had some major successes (two years exceeding win expectations, making somewhat unusual pieces fit together) and some major failures (play-in and playoff results) that any coach would eventually live with.

Meh, i wholly disagree. Nothing really about his résumé screams head coach, especially after having failed as a head coach 2 times previously.

I am fully of the impression that JB landed the Cavs gig because of who his dad is and his FO role with the Cavs... "Give my son a chance".

If I'm running a company looking to fill a position, I'm not thinking very highly of a guy who quit once his temp contract was up at his first job then was fired from his second job. Just kind of a business perspective on it.

Well, I think you're disconnected from reality then.

Everything about his resume when he was hired as associate head coach behind Beilein indicated that was a proper hire, from his previous experience to other teams wanting to hire him (see https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-hire-jb-bickerstaff-as-associate-hc/ ). You obviously promote your associate head coach to interim head coach when your previous head coach quits. The ensuing hiring as head coach was appropriate for at least the team he inherited, an obscenely young team at the bottom of the standings that needed to learn how to play together-- you get the kids to learn how to play defense and buy into systems. He had everything needed to be a developmental head coach, especially for a franchise that wasn't going to pay top dollar for a coach like Detroit did with Monty Williams.

You can argue he's not a contender-level coach-- not an appropriate coach for a team with expectations-- but he absolutely managed the team from a top-of-draft team to a team that the front office thought should be a contender. Exactly the job it was hoped he would do.

The Rockets wanted to hire him as head coach and he pulled his name from the running, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.


Rockets and Grizzlies tried him as a head coach and he failed.

In the reality of the business world, if that guy's résumé comes across your desk and his dad doesn't work at your company, you don't hire him. Now, if his dad does work at your company and is vouching for him, maybe you take a chance because he's cheap but not because he's qualified. He tried at the role twice and failed both times, fired once and quit after his temp contract was up the other time.

If you're saying he's our Brett Brown or Mark Jackson, that's fine but I'm ready for what's next.

[JonFromVA]

Sure, but Head Coach of the team is of higher importance and visibility than Senior Advisor. JBB has accountability far beyond what a Senior Advisor. I'm sure Bernie isn't invited to the meetings where Koby gathers opinions about the future employment of JB.

Nepotism implies that you get a job despite not having the credentials for it because you are related. JBB had exactly the credentials you'd want for being the lead assistant to a career college coach in his first NBA job. He had the credentials to be an interim and then head coach after that. He has plenty of positive traits as a coach to go along with team win totals that have exceeded projections two years in a row.

The dude earned his spot. You can argue about what he's done and whether he continues to deserve to be the coach, now that he has had both successes and failures. But implying he doesn't have the credentials to be the head coach is just false. He's had some major successes (two years exceeding win expectations, making somewhat unusual pieces fit together) and some major failures (play-in and playoff results) that any coach would eventually live with.

Meh, i wholly disagree. Nothing really about his résumé screams head coach, especially after having failed as a head coach 2 times previously.

I am fully of the impression that JB landed the Cavs gig because of who his dad is and his FO role with the Cavs... "Give my son a chance".

If I'm running a company looking to fill a position, I'm not thinking very highly of a guy who quit once his temp contract was up at his first job then was fired from his second job. Just kind of a business perspective on it.

Well, I think you're disconnected from reality then.

Everything about his resume when he was hired as associate head coach behind Beilein indicated that was a proper hire, from his previous experience to other teams wanting to hire him (see https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-hire-jb-bickerstaff-as-associate-hc/ ). You obviously promote your associate head coach to interim head coach when your previous head coach quits. The ensuing hiring as head coach was appropriate for at least the team he inherited, an obscenely young team at the bottom of the standings that needed to learn how to play together-- you get the kids to learn how to play defense and buy into systems. He had everything needed to be a developmental head coach, especially for a franchise that wasn't going to pay top dollar for a coach like Detroit did with Monty Williams.

You can argue he's not a contender-level coach-- not an appropriate coach for a team with expectations-- but he absolutely managed the team from a top-of-draft team to a team that the front office thought should be a contender. Exactly the job it was hoped he would do.

JBB and Wes Unseld Jr were seen as young, successful assistants, next in line to become a head coach when we hired Belein. Nothing surprising that they both did get offers. We've been through this before with Mike Brown and Ty Lue, we even let Mike Malone get away.

Still, NBA coaches are with few exceptions, hired to be fired.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jb-bickerstaff-would-rather-be-an-assistant-than-coach-rockets/amp/

This is what people were saying about JB 7.5 years ago...

"Their problems defensively were not solvable and some of Bickerstaff's strategies and rotations were confusing".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830852-report-jb-bickerstaff-fired-as-grizzlies-hc-gm-chris-wallace-reassigned

This is what people were saying about JB 4.5 years ago.

"In order to put our team on the path to sustainable success, it was necessary to change our approach..."

I mean... That all sounds very familiar to the Cavs current situation, if you ask me.

[JonFromVA]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jb-bickerstaff-would-rather-be-an-assistant-than-coach-rockets/amp/

This is what people were saying about JB 7.5 years ago...

"Their problems defensively were not solvable and some of Bickerstaff's strategies and rotations were confusing".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830852-report-jb-bickerstaff-fired-as-grizzlies-hc-gm-chris-wallace-reassigned

This is what people were saying about JB 4.5 years ago.

"In order to put our team on the path to sustainable success, it was necessary to change our approach..."

I mean... That all sounds very familiar to the Cavs current situation, if you ask me.

One big and very important difference: we're coming off a 51-win season after JBB initially inherited a 19 win team.

Which is why I feel if he does get fired, it will be because of something very specific that informs the FO that he will not be able to keep the confidence of the team and/or he demonstrates so much stubbornness that the FO decides he's incapable of adapting, experimenting, and growing.

[toooskies]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jb-bickerstaff-would-rather-be-an-assistant-than-coach-rockets/amp/

This is what people were saying about JB 7.5 years ago...

"Their problems defensively were not solvable and some of Bickerstaff's strategies and rotations were confusing".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830852-report-jb-bickerstaff-fired-as-grizzlies-hc-gm-chris-wallace-reassigned

This is what people were saying about JB 4.5 years ago.

"In order to put our team on the path to sustainable success, it was necessary to change our approach..."

I mean... That all sounds very familiar to the Cavs current situation, if you ask me.

Last season the Cavs had the #1 defense in the league. The first quote doesn't sound accurate to this team at all.

JB has outperformed Vegas expectations two years in a row. That sounds like sustainable success of some degree.

It does not sound like the Cavs' current situation of you ask me.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jb-bickerstaff-would-rather-be-an-assistant-than-coach-rockets/amp/

This is what people were saying about JB 7.5 years ago...

"Their problems defensively were not solvable and some of Bickerstaff's strategies and rotations were confusing".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830852-report-jb-bickerstaff-fired-as-grizzlies-hc-gm-chris-wallace-reassigned

This is what people were saying about JB 4.5 years ago.

"In order to put our team on the path to sustainable success, it was necessary to change our approach..."

I mean... That all sounds very familiar to the Cavs current situation, if you ask me.

Last season the Cavs had the #1 defense in the league. The first quote doesn't sound accurate to this team at all.

JB has outperformed Vegas expectations two years in a row. That sounds like sustainable success of some degree.

It does not sound like the Cavs' current situation of you ask me.

Strategies and rotations are by far the guys biggest knock, what are you talking about? lmfao

Just to not make the 2nd round either season... Please do not let our franchise be dependent on Vegas odds, like wut?!

[JonFromVA]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jb-bickerstaff-would-rather-be-an-assistant-than-coach-rockets/amp/

This is what people were saying about JB 7.5 years ago...

"Their problems defensively were not solvable and some of Bickerstaff's strategies and rotations were confusing".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830852-report-jb-bickerstaff-fired-as-grizzlies-hc-gm-chris-wallace-reassigned

This is what people were saying about JB 4.5 years ago.

"In order to put our team on the path to sustainable success, it was necessary to change our approach..."

I mean... That all sounds very familiar to the Cavs current situation, if you ask me.

Last season the Cavs had the #1 defense in the league. The first quote doesn't sound accurate to this team at all.

JB has outperformed Vegas expectations two years in a row. That sounds like sustainable success of some degree.

It does not sound like the Cavs' current situation of you ask me.

Strategies and rotations are by far the guys biggest knock, what are you talking about? lmfao

Just to not make the 2nd round either season... Please do not let our franchise be dependent on Vegas odds, like wut?!

Not to speak for tooskies, but show me a coach losing a game and I suspect I can show you a coach getting criticized for his strategies and game management.

And it goes beyond that ... Norris Cole recently talked on a podcast about how LeBron would get frustrated with Sploestra because he refused to make in game adjustments that seemed obvious to James - simply because Sploestra wanted to drum in the team's basic defense during the regular season before confusing players with adding different coverages and approaches. Presumably Pat Riley knew what Sploestra was doing, and for the sake of the Heat, that's all that matters.

[JujitsuFlip]

Last season the Cavs had the #1 defense in the league. The first quote doesn't sound accurate to this team at all.

JB has outperformed Vegas expectations two years in a row. That sounds like sustainable success of some degree.

It does not sound like the Cavs' current situation of you ask me.

Strategies and rotations are by far the guys biggest knock, what are you talking about? lmfao

Just to not make the 2nd round either season... Please do not let our franchise be dependent on Vegas odds, like wut?!

Not to speak for tooskies, but show me a coach losing a game and I suspect I can show you a coach getting criticized for his strategies and game management.

And it goes beyond that ... Norris Cole recently talked on a podcast about how LeBron would get frustrated with Sploestra because he refused to make in game adjustments that seemed obvious to James - simply because Sploestra wanted to drum in the team's basic defense during the regular season before confusing players with adding different coverages and approaches. Presumably Pat Riley knew what Sploestra was doing, and for the sake of the Heat, that's all that matters.

Spo has also been to 6 NBA Finals, i think he is very well established to do as he pleases.

JB Bickerstaff on the other hand has only ever made it past the first round 1 single time in his entire 20 year NBA coaching career... Even then it was as an assistant with the Rockets.

I mean, talk about a career loser. Like i said this summer, there's no moral victories for me.

There's JB's 2024 playoff rotation attached, book it.

[JonFromVA]

Strategies and rotations are by far the guys biggest knock, what are you talking about? lmfao

Just to not make the 2nd round either season... Please do not let our franchise be dependent on Vegas odds, like wut?!

Not to speak for tooskies, but show me a coach losing a game and I suspect I can show you a coach getting criticized for his strategies and game management.

And it goes beyond that ... Norris Cole recently talked on a podcast about how LeBron would get frustrated with Sploestra because he refused to make in game adjustments that seemed obvious to James - simply because Sploestra wanted to drum in the team's basic defense during the regular season before confusing players with adding different coverages and approaches. Presumably Pat Riley knew what Sploestra was doing, and for the sake of the Heat, that's all that matters.

Spo has also been to 6 NBA Finals, i think he is very well established to do as he pleases.

JB Bickerstaff on the other hand has only ever made it past the first round 1 single time in his entire 20 year NBA coaching career... Even then it was as an assistant with the Rockets.

I mean, talk about a career loser. Like i said this summer, there's no moral victories for me.

It's about how you get a head coach to that stage short of the President of the team naming you his hand picked successor and then gift wrapping you LeBron/Wade/Bosh. There are always mistakes, bumps in the road, losing streaks, disappointments, etc, etc, and they continue even for Spo.

Ultimately Dan Gilbert may act impulsively like any fan might, but in my attempt to be rational; I always try to put myself in the place of these people and ask questions like ... if you were the head coach of the Cavs right now, what would you expect from the organization? How much more of a chance do you deserve if you just led the franchise to 51-wins and a playoff appearance?

Don't all the injuries and roster changes mean something? Doesn't the strength of schedule mean something? Don't the recent wins over the Warriors, Nuggets, 76ers, Raptors, and Hawks mean something? 6 wins in our last 8?

You label JBB a career loser, but in fact the Rockets, Grizzlies, and Cavs all improved in the W-L column when he took over the team.

Anyway, as I've said, I'm fine with him getting fired if we have something better lined up. I'm only wasting my time posting things in support of JBB because I find it offensive to focus just on the negatives.

[ijspeelman]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jb-bickerstaff-would-rather-be-an-assistant-than-coach-rockets/amp/

This is what people were saying about JB 7.5 years ago...

"Their problems defensively were not solvable and some of Bickerstaff's strategies and rotations were confusing".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830852-report-jb-bickerstaff-fired-as-grizzlies-hc-gm-chris-wallace-reassigned

This is what people were saying about JB 4.5 years ago.

"In order to put our team on the path to sustainable success, it was necessary to change our approach..."

I mean... That all sounds very familiar to the Cavs current situation, if you ask me.

Last season the Cavs had the #1 defense in the league. The first quote doesn't sound accurate to this team at all.

JB has outperformed Vegas expectations two years in a row. That sounds like sustainable success of some degree.

It does not sound like the Cavs' current situation of you ask me.

Strategies and rotations are by far the guys biggest knock, what are you talking about? lmfao

Just to not make the 2nd round either season... Please do not let our franchise be dependent on Vegas odds, like wut?!

I mean the quote referencing strategies and rotations is directly tied to them talking about their defense, not offense. The defensive side of the ball is where we've look best (possibly sans offensive rebounding, but our overall defense is still great).

If you are looking at JB under the lens of "has he performed / overperformed in the playoffs" the answer is a fairly easy no.

His time with Houston, his roster really wasn't set up to beat that 2016 Warriors team and was taken care of in 5. His biggest indictment is going to be the series last year where we are arguably had the more talented roster, albeit with major flaws and we didn't have a competitive series against the Knicks.

Those Memphis rosters were terrible and I cannot condemn him for that lol. Mike Conley, easily the best player on the roster only played 12 games his first year.

In his second year, he lead a mediocre roster to a top 10 defense (and a crappy offense).

Anyway, this is all a round about way to say he has basically only been given a good postseason roster for the previous two years (and got screwed with injuries 2021-22 entering the postseason). We can make judgements on those other seasons, sure, but how the roster performed last year and this year are the biggest of show of his capabilities as a head coach.

This year hasn't started amazingly, but I feel like there is at least a light pass for the injuries. Its not all black and white and there are issues we have seen with how the offense flows, but overall the roster seems better than last year, at least to me.

I don't think JB is going anywhere unless we get ousted in the first round again or like Jon said, if the FO tells him to improve on something outside of our view and he does not, or if Gilbert steps in.

I am still 50/50 on him with this roster so I'd like to see more.

[JonFromVA]

Failing to improve is more of a long-term thing you monitor and eventually judge, refusing to try to improve demonstrates a level of disconnect that may need to be resolved immediately.

So for example, I may not be happy that Emoni can't get any meaningful playtime and Craig Porter Jr is on such a tight leash; but overplaying players is undeniably a real problem a coach cannot ignore. So, JBB managing to at least make sure everyone gets some rest during games is a demonstrable improvement even if it meant having our trainer track it and remind JBB when necessary.

[JujitsuFlip]

You label JBB a career loser, but in fact the Rockets, Grizzlies, and Cavs all improved in the W-L column when he took over the teams.

Timeout. That's not factual at all.

The Rockets were 56 and 26 (68.3%) and went to the WCF the season before JB took over. Then they were 37 and 34 (52.1%) and gentlemen swept from the 1st round under JB. To take it a step further, the following season they were 55 and 27 (67.1%) and went to the 2nd round.

The Grizzlies were 43 and 39 (52.4%) and eliminated in the 1st round before JB took over. Then they were 15 and 48 (23.8%) and 33 and 49 (40.2%) missed the playoffs both seasons under JB. A step further, the following season they were 34 and 39 (46.6%) and eliminated in the play-in.

JB is a turd, the teams were better before AND after him. This actually just solidifies my point even more lol

[JujitsuFlip]

Last season the Cavs had the #1 defense in the league. The first quote doesn't sound accurate to this team at all.

JB has outperformed Vegas expectations two years in a row. That sounds like sustainable success of some degree.

It does not sound like the Cavs' current situation of you ask me.

Strategies and rotations are by far the guys biggest knock, what are you talking about? lmfao

Just to not make the 2nd round either season... Please do not let our franchise be dependent on Vegas odds, like wut?!

I mean the quote referencing strategies and rotations is directly tied to them talking about their defense, not offense. The defensive side of the ball is where we've look best (possibly sans offensive rebounding, but our overall defense is still great).

If you are looking at JB under the lens of "has he performed / overperformed in the playoffs" the answer is a fairly easy no.

His time with Houston, his roster really wasn't set up to beat that 2016 Warriors team and was taken care of in 5. His biggest indictment is going to be the series last year where we are arguably had the more talented roster, albeit with major flaws and we didn't have a competitive series against the Knicks.

Those Memphis rosters were terrible and I cannot condemn him for that lol. Mike Conley, easily the best player on the roster only played 12 games his first year.

In his second year, he lead a mediocre roster to a top 10 defense (and a crappy offense).

Anyway, this is all a round about way to say he has basically only been given a good postseason roster for the previous two years (and got screwed with injuries 2021-22 entering the postseason). We can make judgements on those other seasons, sure, but how the roster performed last year and this year are the biggest of show of his capabilities as a head coach.

This year hasn't started amazingly, but I feel like there is at least a light pass for the injuries. Its not all black and white and there are issues we have seen with how the offense flows, but overall the roster seems better than last year, at least to me.

I don't think JB is going anywhere unless we get ousted in the first round again or like Jon said, if the FO tells him to improve on something outside of our view and he does not, or if Gilbert steps in.

I am still 50/50 on him with this roster so I'd like to see more.

Steph played literally only 5 quarters in that series (one of which was for 2:37), yes JB and the Rockets shoulda won that series lol

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[JonFromVA]

You label JBB a career loser, but in fact the Rockets, Grizzlies, and Cavs all improved in the W-L column when he took over the teams.

Timeout. That's not factual at all.

The Rockets were 56 and 26 (68.3%) and went to the WCF the season before JB took over. Then they were 37 and 34 (52.1%) and gentlemen swept from the 1st round under JB. To take it a step further, the following season they were 55 and 27 (67.1%) and went to the 2nd round.

The Grizzlies were 43 and 39 (52.4%) and eliminated in the 1st round before JB took over. Then they were 15 and 48 (23.8%) and 33 and 49 (40.2%) missed the playoffs both seasons under JB. A step further, the following season they were 34 and 39 (46.6%) and eliminated in the play-in.

JB is a turd, the teams were better before AND after him. This actually just solidifies my point even more lol

Not factual at all? That was your conclusion?

JBB only coached one season with Houston, but he took over McHale's 4-7 team and they finished 37-34 under him.

The Grizz went from 15-48 under JBB his first season, and climbed to 33-49 his second and last season.

With the Cavs our win total has climbed every season under JBB.