Trade Ideas (Part III)

[gflem]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycr5n7spHere is one heck of a unlikely idea, but all teams could consider this a win
you can pencil in Ntilikina to Phoenix if that's what it takes as well but he can't be moved until 8-4

I'm not sure the Suns would do this trade. It works for the Cavs in the long term even if Lebron leaves though.

[jbk1234]

If you want to be even more angry, read this: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand

On the afternoon of June 30, the sides thought they had a deal. On a conference call between the teams, everyone tentatively agreed. George to the Cavs, Love to the Nuggets, Harris and other pieces to the Pacers, sources said.

Plans were put in place for a call to be arranged between George and Gilbert, an important step before the trade would become final, sources said. The front office began making other plans to complement George as free agency was about to begin.

But then Pritchard, who had been on the conference call when the deal was tentatively agreed to, sent the message that his team was backing out, sources said. There was no deal.

[Stillwater]

If you want to be even more angry, read this: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand

On the afternoon of June 30, the sides thought they had a deal. On a conference call between the teams, everyone tentatively agreed. George to the Cavs, Love to the Nuggets, Harris and other pieces to the Pacers, sources said.

Plans were put in place for a call to be arranged between George and Gilbert, an important step before the trade would become final, sources said. The front office began making other plans to complement George as free agency was about to begin.

But then Pritchard, who had been on the conference call when the deal was tentatively agreed to, sent the message that his team was backing out, sources said. There was no deal.

I blame the org for not acting on the signs earlier or failing to read the signs that were clearly there , they should have known Irving was disgruntled a little bit if nothing else. But he has known for a long time this is LBJ's team and was built around LBJ. Coming out now saying he is concerned about the teams construction should LBJ walk in 2018, is only an indicator that he was feeling the pressure of not knowing what Lebon will do after the org was hoodwinked by Indiana where K Love was on the block which must have pissed Love off as well despite him not expressing that publicly. Irving apparently has a problem with winning when it does not allow him to play in his comfort zone where he is best on the court surrounded by defensive players which is when he is the 1st scoring option and jacks up a lot more shots as opposed to a balanced offensive unit with an elite distributor like LBJ. Such selfishness.
The report that when he found out about his name being actually put into trade conversations as opposed to teams inquiring only, is when he became disgruntled beyond repair, but that in itself is an indicator the org had discovered his frustrations were brewing anyway.
F him moving on.

[jbk1234]

If you want to be even more angry, read this: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand

On the afternoon of June 30, the sides thought they had a deal. On a conference call between the teams, everyone tentatively agreed. George to the Cavs, Love to the Nuggets, Harris and other pieces to the Pacers, sources said.

Plans were put in place for a call to be arranged between George and Gilbert, an important step before the trade would become final, sources said. The front office began making other plans to complement George as free agency was about to begin.

But then Pritchard, who had been on the conference call when the deal was tentatively agreed to, sent the message that his team was backing out, sources said. There was no deal.

I blame the org for not reading the signs that were clearly there , they should have known Irving was disgruntled a little bit if nothing else. But he has known for a long time this is LBJ's team and was built around LBJ. Coming out now saying he is concerned about the teams construction should LBJ walk in 2018, is only an indicator that he was feeling the pressure of not knowing what Lebon will do after the org was hoodwinked by Indiana where K Love was on the block which must have pissed Love off as well despite him not expressing that publicly. Irving apparently has a problem with winning when it does not allow him to play in his comfort zone where he is best on the court surrounded by defensive players which is when he is the 1st scoring option and jacks up a lot more shots as opposed to a balanced offensive unit with an elite distributor like LBJ. Such selfishness.
The report that when he found out about his name being actually put into trade conversations as opposed to teams inquiring only, is when he became disgruntled beyond repair.
F him moving on.

Pritchard deliberately took less to send PG out West. Nothing you can do about that.

[Stillwater]

If you want to be even more angry, read this: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand

I blame the org for not reading the signs that were clearly there , they should have known Irving was disgruntled a little bit if nothing else. But he has known for a long time this is LBJ's team and was built around LBJ. Coming out now saying he is concerned about the teams construction should LBJ walk in 2018, is only an indicator that he was feeling the pressure of not knowing what Lebon will do after the org was hoodwinked by Indiana where K Love was on the block which must have pissed Love off as well despite him not expressing that publicly. Irving apparently has a problem with winning when it does not allow him to play in his comfort zone where he is best on the court surrounded by defensive players which is when he is the 1st scoring option and jacks up a lot more shots as opposed to a balanced offensive unit with an elite distributor like LBJ. Such selfishness.
The report that when he found out about his name being actually put into trade conversations as opposed to teams inquiring only, is when he became disgruntled beyond repair.
F him moving on.

Pritchard deliberately took less to send PG out West. Nothing you can do about that.

yeah that part is not the orgs fault , but it has a lot to do with the instability of the team going forward with a potentially silent disgruntled party named K Love as well.

[jbk1234]

I blame the org for not reading the signs that were clearly there , they should have known Irving was disgruntled a little bit if nothing else. But he has known for a long time this is LBJ's team and was built around LBJ. Coming out now saying he is concerned about the teams construction should LBJ walk in 2018, is only an indicator that he was feeling the pressure of not knowing what Lebon will do after the org was hoodwinked by Indiana where K Love was on the block which must have pissed Love off as well despite him not expressing that publicly. Irving apparently has a problem with winning when it does not allow him to play in his comfort zone where he is best on the court surrounded by defensive players which is when he is the 1st scoring option and jacks up a lot more shots as opposed to a balanced offensive unit with an elite distributor like LBJ. Such selfishness.
The report that when he found out about his name being actually put into trade conversations as opposed to teams inquiring only, is when he became disgruntled beyond repair.
F him moving on.

Pritchard deliberately took less to send PG out West. Nothing you can do about that.

yeah that part is not the orgs fault , but it has a lot to do with the instability of the team going forward with a potentially silent disgruntled party named K Love as well.

It has nothing to do with organizational instability. You should read the entire article. Pacers pulled out not once, but twice on deals that had PG going to the Cavs. They didn't want to send him here.

As far as Kyrie, I'll go all in on that after he's traded.

[Stillwater]

Pritchard deliberately took less to send PG out West. Nothing you can do about that.

yeah that part is not the orgs fault , but it has a lot to do with the instability of the team going forward with a potentially silent disgruntled party named K Love as well.

It has nothing to do with organizational instability. You should read the entire article. Pacers pulled out not once, but twice on deals that had PG going to the Cavs. They didn't want to send him here.

As far as Kyrie, I'll go all in on that after he's traded.

So Indy and Pritchard were purposely toying with the Cavs? I just assumed pritchard was a weasel, but if if that was true , that he was intentionally leading us on, he not only is a bad GM he is a dumb one. That kind of action and manipulation will make any trades for Indiana next to impossible as long as he is there unless he continues the pattern of getting fleeced to f over division rivals.
as far as org instability , I think it is true that the team will have a lot of struggles if Love isn't more mature than Irving regarding this matter. Love is probably smart enough to know anyone can be traded or involved in trade talks and probably doesn't read that much into it, but if he is not and is also disgruntled than they as an org should consider moving him before the season as well.

[jbk1234]

yeah that part is not the orgs fault , but it has a lot to do with the instability of the team going forward with a potentially silent disgruntled party named K Love as well.

It has nothing to do with organizational instability. You should read the entire article. Pacers pulled out not once, but twice on deals that had PG going to the Cavs. They didn't want to send him here.

As far as Kyrie, I'll go all in on that after he's traded.

So Indy and Pritchard were purposely toying with the Cavs? I just assumed pritchard was a weasel, but if if that was true , that he was intentionally leading us on, he not only is a bad GM he is a dumb one. That kind of action and manipulation will make any trades for Indiana next to impossible as long as he is there unless he continues the pattern of getting fleeced to f over division rivals.
as far as org instability , I think it is true that the team will have a lot of struggles if Love isn't more mature than Irving regarding this matter. Love is probably smart enough to know anyone can be traded or involved in trade talks and probably doesn't read that much into it, but if he is not and is also disgruntled than they as an org should consider moving him before the season as well.

Love is a grown man & a professional. I'll leave it there.

[Stillwater]

It has nothing to do with organizational instability. You should read the entire article. Pacers pulled out not once, but twice on deals that had PG going to the Cavs. They didn't want to send him here.

As far as Kyrie, I'll go all in on that after he's traded.

So Indy and Pritchard were purposely toying with the Cavs? I just assumed pritchard was a weasel, but if if that was true , that he was intentionally leading us on, he not only is a bad GM he is a dumb one. That kind of action and manipulation will make any trades for Indiana next to impossible as long as he is there unless he continues the pattern of getting fleeced to f over division rivals.
as far as org instability , I think it is true that the team will have a lot of struggles if Love isn't more mature than Irving regarding this matter. Love is probably smart enough to know anyone can be traded or involved in trade talks and probably doesn't read that much into it, but if he is not and is also disgruntled than they as an org should consider moving him before the season as well.

Love is a grown man & a professional. I'll leave it there.

I think he is mature enough to keep it under his hat,but lets face it, Irving kept it under his hat and then went childish and selfish on everyone at the worst possible time. No one ever knows what is going on inside someone else' head

[JMac1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycr5n7spHere is one heck of a unlikely idea, but all teams could consider this a win
you can pencil in Ntilikina to Phoenix if that's what it takes as well but he can't be moved until 8-4

I'm not sure the Suns would do this trade. It works for the Cavs in the long term even if Lebron leaves though.

That's horrible. I get it that fans want to win in trades, but come on. We get Love for Chriss Bender and Bledsoe.......? No way.

[Stillwater]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycr5n7spHere is one heck of a unlikely idea, but all teams could consider this a win
you can pencil in Ntilikina to Phoenix if that's what it takes as well but he can't be moved until 8-4

I'm not sure the Suns would do this trade. It works for the Cavs in the long term even if Lebron leaves though.

That's horrible. I get it that fans want to win in trades, but come on. We get Love for Chriss Bender and Bledsoe.......? No way.

adding Ntilikia to the Suns as well then. If you don't like K Love so be it, but that trade makes you a better team.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6920319
Here's one for you , that is even value. Neither Chriss nor Jackson are proven commodities yet and Bledsoe is more injury prone the Irving , so take that into consideration before you hate.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6920322

This seems like a likely scenario I could live with.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6920324

if teams are not willing to give up players like this Irving isn't getting traded

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6920378Curious what Cavs fans think of this idea; it doesn't get us Bledsoe who we would prefer(who the suns would not give up in this scenario), but Knight is still a decent guard and with the adding of Dejounte Murray who may push Knight back quickly Then adding a 3 & D specialist in Danny Green & a solid player in Bertans seems like a fair return for Irving given the status of the entire situation as it stands.I think both teams involved besides Cleveland would do this in a heartbeat,so the only question is what would the Cavs do?
I assume the Cavs would need to get back at least 1 of the Suns futures as well.
added notes on this proposed idea:
I think this deal although not optimal & would be the least the Cavs would take in a return and would not do this deal unless all other options were exhausted,but as far as a player return that are all fits with Lebron , Green is that for sure, Murray is the selling point on this entire deal outside of Green as Dejounte has a lot of skill for a young player and plays defense well and he has the speed and athleticism to cause other pg a lot of problems as a result , he rebounds well for a guard has a fire to win, and played solid minutes as a rookie when Parker went down & he moved up in the rotation behind Mills. Knight has never lived up to his expectations since the breakup with Detroit , but he is still very capable of running the starting 5 as needed far better than Felder,Jose etc. Which makes him an upgrade as a back up to Rose for example & a reasonable replacement should Rose's injury bug continue. Bertans is more than a filler here as well, he is a typical Spurs type player who will do the dirty work and plays good defense.

[JMac1]

I'm not sure the Suns would do this trade. It works for the Cavs in the long term even if Lebron leaves though.

That's horrible. I get it that fans want to win in trades, but come on. We get Love for Chriss Bender and Bledsoe.......? No way.

adding Ntilikia to the Suns as well then. If you don't like K Love so be it, but that trade makes you a better team.

We aren't trying to be a "better team" at this point. We are trying to build a team. Frank is ok, but not at the expense of Chriss and Bender. Love swap for Bledsoe is redundant.

[Stillwater]

That's horrible. I get it that fans want to win in trades, but come on. We get Love for Chriss Bender and Bledsoe.......? No way.

adding Ntilikia to the Suns as well then. If you don't like K Love so be it, but that trade makes you a better team.

We aren't trying to be a "better team" at this point. We are trying to build a team. Frank is ok, but not at the expense of Chriss and Bender. Love swap for Bledsoe is redundant.

That makes sense don't want to break up your young core,as adding anyone in their prime still won't elevate you to contender status next season.
It will be interesting to see how many of the solid young teams that are in the NBA right now like the Suns & Sixers & Bucks that can actually retain all of those players long enough to contend without adding accomplished vets soon enough that the window doesn't pass them by. Minnesota already has taken steps to fast-forward the process & it would not surprise me if the Suns among others will as well.
I agree you should wait at least another season to see what gives with Chriss and Bender & to see how Jackson does in year 1, but I think your Org would be less likely to feel that way and would find it hard to justify passing up the opportunity to add a all star caliber pf who has years left on his contract,esp if they are that confident in Booker and Jackson as their franchise core that they would more easily justify parting with Bender and or Chriss to get Love without thinking twice.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6924032
mega deal (unlikely to materialize) but this kind of deal would be epic

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6924021 Here is another one moving Irving and Love.
I don't think they will move Love, but you never know.

[jbk1234]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6924021 Here is another one moving Irving and Love.
I don't think they will move Love, but you never know.

Cavs wouldn't, and shouldn't, move Love for Drummond. Do Cavs fans not remember Van Gundy pulling Drummond off the floor in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?