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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#141 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:48 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:With free agency 6 hours away, I'm getting nervous that there's still no Mitchell extension. Hopefully he extends today, if not, do the Cavs try to trade him or do we just roll into the season with him on an expiring deal?


If he doesn't extend when eligible, I think we start talking to other teams; but it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to want to see how things go with Atkinson and he may want to see other roster moves go down before committing.

I'm not too worried about that, though. Mitchell can lock up the extension with whatever terms he wants, and if he doesn't like how things turn out, I do feel we'll send him to a team he likes. That's always been the play from day one, unless he starts to doubt Altman's sincerity / longevity.
He's been eligible to extend for 12 days now, not sure what the hold up is.

I really wouldn't want to wait until October for him to finally sign.

Idk, we'll see what happens. If he didn't agree to it in the next 5 hours, i would start working the phones to see what teams would offer, as a back-up plan.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#142 » by ijspeelman » Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:10 pm

I’d love Damion Lee on the vet min

Just to throw that out there lol
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#143 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:19 pm

ijspeelman wrote:I’d love Damion Lee on the vet min

Just to throw that out there lol
Gross, why? lol

You're a numbers guy, so i assume something about his advanced stats but on the surface, no way.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#144 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:25 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#145 » by KuruptedCav » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:33 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:With free agency 6 hours away, I'm getting nervous that there's still no Mitchell extension. Hopefully he extends today, if not, do the Cavs try to trade him or do we just roll into the season with him on an expiring deal?


If he doesn't extend when eligible, I think we start talking to other teams; but it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to want to see how things go with Atkinson and he may want to see other roster moves go down before committing.

I'm not too worried about that, though. Mitchell can lock up the extension with whatever terms he wants, and if he doesn't like how things turn out, I do feel we'll send him to a team he likes. That's always been the play from day one, unless he starts to doubt Altman's sincerity / longevity.
He's been eligible to extend for 12 days now, not sure what the hold up is.

I really wouldn't want to wait until October for him to finally sign.

Idk, we'll see what happens. If he didn't agree to it in the next 5 hours, i would start working the phones to see what teams would offer, as a back-up plan.

Is he back from his vacation in Europe?


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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#146 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:38 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:
If he doesn't extend when eligible, I think we start talking to other teams; but it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to want to see how things go with Atkinson and he may want to see other roster moves go down before committing.

I'm not too worried about that, though. Mitchell can lock up the extension with whatever terms he wants, and if he doesn't like how things turn out, I do feel we'll send him to a team he likes. That's always been the play from day one, unless he starts to doubt Altman's sincerity / longevity.
He's been eligible to extend for 12 days now, not sure what the hold up is.

I really wouldn't want to wait until October for him to finally sign.

Idk, we'll see what happens. If he didn't agree to it in the next 5 hours, i would start working the phones to see what teams would offer, as a back-up plan.

Is he back from his vacation in Europe?


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He was pictured with Kenny Atkinson at his basketball camp in LA either yesterday or Friday.

Cavs also sent someone from the franchise with him to Europe.

But 37 minutes into free agency and he still hasn't extended, a bit concerning. If he won't extend again, trade him. Going into the season with him expiring just makes zero sense, from an asset perspective.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#147 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:42 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:With free agency 6 hours away, I'm getting nervous that there's still no Mitchell extension. Hopefully he extends today, if not, do the Cavs try to trade him or do we just roll into the season with him on an expiring deal?


If he doesn't extend when eligible, I think we start talking to other teams; but it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to want to see how things go with Atkinson and he may want to see other roster moves go down before committing.

I'm not too worried about that, though. Mitchell can lock up the extension with whatever terms he wants, and if he doesn't like how things turn out, I do feel we'll send him to a team he likes. That's always been the play from day one, unless he starts to doubt Altman's sincerity / longevity.
He's been eligible to extend for 12 days now, not sure what the hold up is.

I really wouldn't want to wait until October for him to finally sign.

Idk, we'll see what happens. If he didn't agree to it in the next 5 hours, i would start working the phones to see what teams would offer, as a back-up plan.


Unlike us, they're presumably getting some feedback, even if it's go away, stop bothering me, I'll talk to you when I feel like it.

But, if they think they see a path forward that ends up with Mitchell extending, I'd assume they'd just stay on that path and not hedge their bets or create any doubts until they realize they can't do what he wants. I also expect they have an idea of what sort of offers they'd get if they put him on the market.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#148 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:55 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
If he doesn't extend when eligible, I think we start talking to other teams; but it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to want to see how things go with Atkinson and he may want to see other roster moves go down before committing.

I'm not too worried about that, though. Mitchell can lock up the extension with whatever terms he wants, and if he doesn't like how things turn out, I do feel we'll send him to a team he likes. That's always been the play from day one, unless he starts to doubt Altman's sincerity / longevity.
He's been eligible to extend for 12 days now, not sure what the hold up is.

I really wouldn't want to wait until October for him to finally sign.

Idk, we'll see what happens. If he didn't agree to it in the next 5 hours, i would start working the phones to see what teams would offer, as a back-up plan.


Unlike us, they're presumably getting some feedback, even if it's go away, stop bothering me, I'll talk to you when I feel like it.

But, if they think they see a path forward that ends up with Mitchell extending, I'd assume they'd just stay on that path and not hedge their bets or create any doubts until they realize they can't do what he wants. I also expect they have an idea of what sort of offers they'd get if they put him on the market.
Cavs are pretty set if he extends.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro/Tyson/Bates
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Pretty much just need a back-up big with part of the MLE. No pressure on Kenny to make the ECF in year one with the identical roster that jb had last season lol
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#149 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:16 pm

Unlike Westbrook, I would be interested in CP3 as a backup PG. Batum is the guy I'd want the most. Neither player will be back with their former team.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#150 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:29 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Unlike Westbrook, I would be interested in CP3 as a backup PG. Batum is the guy I'd want the most. Neither player will be back with their former team.
The rumor last season was Batum was retiring after the Olympics but it does seem like he has 1 more season in him.

Him or CP3 should be cheap, in theory.

Edit: CP3 to the Spurs
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#151 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:04 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:He's been eligible to extend for 12 days now, not sure what the hold up is.

I really wouldn't want to wait until October for him to finally sign.

Idk, we'll see what happens. If he didn't agree to it in the next 5 hours, i would start working the phones to see what teams would offer, as a back-up plan.


Unlike us, they're presumably getting some feedback, even if it's go away, stop bothering me, I'll talk to you when I feel like it.

But, if they think they see a path forward that ends up with Mitchell extending, I'd assume they'd just stay on that path and not hedge their bets or create any doubts until they realize they can't do what he wants. I also expect they have an idea of what sort of offers they'd get if they put him on the market.
Cavs are pretty set if he extends.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro/Tyson/Bates
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Pretty much just need a back-up big with part of the MLE. No pressure on Kenny to make the ECF in year one with the identical roster that jb had last season lol


One option is to just bring over Diop.

But Koby tries to keep things quiet, a big deal could just come out of nowhere even if it looks like New Orleans and San Antonio have found PG's.

All depends what Mitchell and Atkinson have indicated and whether Allen and Garland are willing to give this another shot or if either of them (or anyone else) is asking out.

Remember the Lauri trade? Everyone just assumed Larry Nance was going to be a Cavalier for the rest of his career, but what we didn't know at the time was he asked to be traded to playoff team. Koby just had to find a team that would get us a 1st round pick we could send to Chicago for Lauri.

So, who knows...
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#152 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:17 am

JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Unlike us, they're presumably getting some feedback, even if it's go away, stop bothering me, I'll talk to you when I feel like it.

But, if they think they see a path forward that ends up with Mitchell extending, I'd assume they'd just stay on that path and not hedge their bets or create any doubts until they realize they can't do what he wants. I also expect they have an idea of what sort of offers they'd get if they put him on the market.
Cavs are pretty set if he extends.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro/Tyson/Bates
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Pretty much just need a back-up big with part of the MLE. No pressure on Kenny to make the ECF in year one with the identical roster that jb had last season lol


One option is to just bring over Diop.

But Koby tries to keep things quiet, a big deal could just come out of nowhere even if it looks like New Orleans and San Antonio have found PG's.

All depends what Mitchell and Atkinson have indicated and whether Allen and Garland are willing to give this another shot or if either of them (or anyone else) is asking out.

Remember the Lauri trade? Everyone just assumed Larry Nance was going to be a Cavalier for the rest of his career, but what we didn't know at the time was he asked to be traded to playoff team. Koby just had to find a team that would get us a 1st round pick we could send to Chicago for Lauri.

So, who knows...
For sure, trades can happen at any time but if no trades happen, i don't envision more than 1 signing this summer, externally.

I honestly just want the Mitchell extension. A Mobley extension would be nice too.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#153 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:35 am

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/report-cleveland-cavaliers-interested-derrick-jones-jr

If this happens, Okoro is gone.

But i really hope this is false, he struggles to shoot from deep. Also he just switched his agent to Rich Paul.

Edit: Clippers saved us and inked him.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#154 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:11 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/report-cleveland-cavaliers-interested-derrick-jones-jr

If this happens, Okoro is gone.

But i really hope this is false, he struggles to shoot from deep. Also he just switched his agent to Rich Paul.

Edit: Clippers saved us and inked him.


Eh, Okoro might be gone anyway any DJJ just gave SGA and Ant fits.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#155 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:13 pm

I'm officially nervous that Mitchell hasn't announced he's extending yet. I think the Lakers are in his ear.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#156 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:33 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I'm officially nervous that Mitchell hasn't announced he's extending yet. I think the Lakers are in his ear.
Yeah, it's bad at this point. Idk, maybe Koby is trying to trade him as we speak.

He's had nearly 2 weeks to extend, it doesn't take that long to say yes or no.

All i will say is if the Cavs go into next season with Mitchell on the roster with no extension, they're dumb.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#157 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:39 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:I'm officially nervous that Mitchell hasn't announced he's extending yet. I think the Lakers are in his ear.
Yeah, it's bad at this point. Idk, maybe Koby is trying to trade him as we speak.

He's had nearly 2 weeks to extend, it doesn't take that long to say yes or no.

All i will say is if the Cavs go into next season with Mitchell on the roster with no extension, they're dumb.


I'm telling myself there may be some debate on his part as far as extending 3 or 4 years.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#158 » by Niko23 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:06 pm

All these moves happening and we are just sitting on the sidelines. Someone make me feel better because if we run it back with the same group we are getting smoked in the first round
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#159 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:08 pm

Niko23 wrote:All these moves happening and we are just sitting on the sidelines. Someone make me feel better because if we run it back with the same group we are getting smoked in the first round
Our players are still young, so that's a silver lining lol

But yes, Knicks and 76ers have made huge improvements this summer.

Celtics didn't need to do much, Bucks still right there.

We'll see what else the Magic and Pacers do.

As is, Cavs sitting probably at 5th or 6th.

Koby really does need to be fired, it's not 2017 anymore, time for some fresh eyes on this roster construction.
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Re: 2024-25 Off-Season 

Post#160 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:55 pm

Niko23 wrote:All these moves happening and we are just sitting on the sidelines. Someone make me feel better because if we run it back with the same group we are getting smoked in the first round


I think you had to see the core under a new coach before you blew it up. Also, the Knicks just lost Hartenstein and the Magic declined Mo Wagner's option. If they don't get him back, the Cavs front court is going to be a problem for other playoff teams.

The Bucks are old, have no cap, and on their last legs.

The Heat are still a play-in team losing good rotation pieces due to cap constraints and Butler is pouting because they won't extend him.

The Magic wasted their cap space on a 3 and D guy and still need a true PG.

The Sixers best POA defender is an often injured, 34 year old PG. Embiid's knees are really shaky. They don't have a starting PF and Oubre is going to start at the wing for them.

We played the Pacers really well last year. I'm not worried about them.

I also think it's dangerous to draw sweeping conclusions from a second round out against the Championship winner when you were down two starters.
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