2023-24 Regular Season

[ijspeelman]

I am currently in the depression/hate-watching stage of the season. How’s everyone else doing lol?

[JujitsuFlip]

I am currently in the depression/hate-watching stage of the season. How’s everyone else doing lol?

Only watched the 2 TNT Overtime games, so doin pretty good lol

[JujitsuFlip]

Delete.

[JonFromVA]

I am currently in the depression/hate-watching stage of the season. How’s everyone else doing lol?

I watch with a DVR, so, if the game starts getting ugly I just start speeding up the playback. I can slow down when the Cavs get the ball, someone I want to see is on the floor, or just watch the score and go back and play when the score changes or the score gets close.

Does nba.com still offer condensed games? I suppose that's another way to go, but never got in to it. I like being able to switch at my whim.

[ijspeelman]

I am currently in the depression/hate-watching stage of the season. How’s everyone else doing lol?

I watch with a DVR, so, if the game starts getting ugly I just start speeding up the playback. I can slow down when the Cavs get the ball, someone I want to see is on the floor, or just watch the score and go back and play when the score changes or the score gets close.

Does nba.com still offer condensed games? I suppose that's another way to go, but never got in to it. I like being able to switch at my whim.

Just tried and it looks like you need league pass now which is crappy. I know the NBA youtube channel basically uploads an incredibly condensed 7-9 minutes of game.

[JonFromVA]

I am currently in the depression/hate-watching stage of the season. How’s everyone else doing lol?

I watch with a DVR, so, if the game starts getting ugly I just start speeding up the playback. I can slow down when the Cavs get the ball, someone I want to see is on the floor, or just watch the score and go back and play when the score changes or the score gets close.

Does nba.com still offer condensed games? I suppose that's another way to go, but never got in to it. I like being able to switch at my whim.

Just tried and it looks like you need league pass now which is crappy. I know the NBA youtube channel basically uploads an incredibly condensed 7-9 minutes of game.

Yeah, I was referring to LP, which is even more of a problem if you're considered in the local market.

A DVR with responsive FF/REW, SKIP+, SKIP- is still the best legit way to go IMO if you can afford everything else you need to buy.

[JonFromVA]

If JBB ever does get canned, it'll be interesting how the FO and new coach approach our "twin towers". JBB has gotten a lot of mileage out of starting our two non-shooting big men, but how many other coaches want to take a job where whatever system they implement will always have a certain level of klunkiness because of the pairing?

It's a lot easier to design an offense when you can put 4 or 5 shooters on the floor.

What offense work well with just 3?

Are there any proponents of the triangle left in the league?

Would it even still work? Luke Walton?

[toooskies]

If JBB ever does get canned, it'll be interesting how the FO and new coach approach our "twin towers". JBB has gotten a lot of mileage out of starting our two non-shooting big men, but how many other coaches want to take a job where whatever system they implement will always have a certain level of klunkiness because of the pairing?

It's a lot easier to design an offense when you can put 4 or 5 shooters on the floor.

What offense work well with just 3?

Are there any proponents of the triangle left in the league?

Would it even still work? Luke Walton?

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

[JujitsuFlip]

If JBB ever does get canned, it'll be interesting how the FO and new coach approach our "twin towers". JBB has gotten a lot of mileage out of starting our two non-shooting big men, but how many other coaches want to take a job where whatever system they implement will always have a certain level of klunkiness because of the pairing?

It's a lot easier to design an offense when you can put 4 or 5 shooters on the floor.

What offense work well with just 3?

Are there any proponents of the triangle left in the league?

Would it even still work? Luke Walton?

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

[JujitsuFlip]

If JBB ever does get canned, it'll be interesting how the FO and new coach approach our "twin towers". JBB has gotten a lot of mileage out of starting our two non-shooting big men, but how many other coaches want to take a job where whatever system they implement will always have a certain level of klunkiness because of the pairing?

It's a lot easier to design an offense when you can put 4 or 5 shooters on the floor.

What offense work well with just 3?

Are there any proponents of the triangle left in the league?

Would it even still work? Luke Walton?

I think with a coaching change, the core 4 breaking up should happen too.

Let's say they keep JB through the whole season, another early disappointment in April for the 3rd consecutive season.

If Mitchell refuses to re-sign, move off him and Allen and get a new coach. We have a decent starting back court in Garland and Strus. Where Mobley plays in the front court i think is irrelevant, i think combining him with guys that fit is more important.

So if we want a guy like Lopez to start or Gordon, just whatever we did, we gotta make sure on both ends, the fit and scheme make sense. From there I think you need a Wiggins/MPJ/Middleton type to really round out the starting 5.

Shoot or draft Bronny and hopefully LBJ comes along.

1. Garland/MLE player (mayb CPJ)/TJ
2. Strus/LeVert/Bronny
3. LBJ/Bates/Travers
4. Mobley/Niang/Wade
5. Stretch 5 who protects the rim/Diop/TT

[JonFromVA]

If JBB ever does get canned, it'll be interesting how the FO and new coach approach our "twin towers". JBB has gotten a lot of mileage out of starting our two non-shooting big men, but how many other coaches want to take a job where whatever system they implement will always have a certain level of klunkiness because of the pairing?

It's a lot easier to design an offense when you can put 4 or 5 shooters on the floor.

What offense work well with just 3?

Are there any proponents of the triangle left in the league?

Would it even still work? Luke Walton?

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

Some coach might want to try fitting Evan in to that Draymond role as the hub of the offense, but everyone should remember the Warriors invented the "death lineup" after falling behind to us; and Draymond at least attempts 3pters and even makes them here and there.

The league is also evolving rapidly, and it may be dangerous to even look back 8 years for much beyond some general ideas. The Dubs league leading offensive rating when they won 73 games would be middle of the pack this season.

82games actually bothered to do an update on 12/1, and the Warriors lineup with Curry-Thompson-Wiggins-Looney-Green has been garbage even though Draymond is on fire from 3pt so far this season. Meanwhile our Garland-Mitchell-Strus-E.Mobley-Allen lineup has at least been decent.

You can win games in the league by doing things differently, but is Mike Budenholzer, for instance, looking to do that? Or is he going to be looking to have at least 4 really good 3pt shooters in his starting lineup like he had in Milwaukee and Atlanta?

Just like how fans of other teams when looking at our roster want to trade Allen and Mitchell to put something more conventional on the floor, some of the coaching candidates may think the same.

[toooskies]

If JBB ever does get canned, it'll be interesting how the FO and new coach approach our "twin towers". JBB has gotten a lot of mileage out of starting our two non-shooting big men, but how many other coaches want to take a job where whatever system they implement will always have a certain level of klunkiness because of the pairing?

It's a lot easier to design an offense when you can put 4 or 5 shooters on the floor.

What offense work well with just 3?

Are there any proponents of the triangle left in the league?

Would it even still work? Luke Walton?

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

I know the Cavs didn't guard Draymond at the 3-point line even if he took shots there. We also didn't guard Iguodala.

[toooskies]

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

Some coach might want to try fitting Evan in to that Draymond role as the hub of the offense, but everyone should remember the Warriors invented the "death lineup" after falling behind to us; and Draymond at least attempts 3pters and even makes them here and there.

The league is also evolving rapidly, and it may be dangerous to even look back 8 years for much beyond some general ideas. The Dubs league leading offensive rating when they won 73 games would be middle of the pack this season.

82games actually bothered to do an update on 12/1, and the Warriors lineup with Curry-Thompson-Wiggins-Looney-Green has been garbage even though Draymond is on fire from 3pt so far this season. Meanwhile our Garland-Mitchell-Strus-E.Mobley-Allen lineup has at least been decent.

You can win games in the league by doing things differently, but is Mike Budenholzer, for instance, looking to do that? Or is he going to be looking to have at least 4 really good 3pt shooters in his starting lineup like he had in Milwaukee and Atlanta?

Just like how fans of other teams when looking at our roster want to trade Allen and Mitchell to put something more conventional on the floor, some of the coaching candidates may think the same.

Thompson may be washed and Wiggins came in out of shape. Let's not take this year's performance as their peak. Let's also remember they won the title just 2 years ago with Looney starting at C and Draymond shooting 20% from three on less than 2 attempts per game.

Do you want to look at the Lakers starting AD and Dwight Howard, or the fact that AD had one of his only 3-point streaks of his career in the Finals disqualify that team-up?

Being good at making 2s will give you an advantage over all those teams that space the floor really well, but any team can go cold for a few games over the course of a month and see the wheels fall off.

[JonFromVA]

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

Some coach might want to try fitting Evan in to that Draymond role as the hub of the offense, but everyone should remember the Warriors invented the "death lineup" after falling behind to us; and Draymond at least attempts 3pters and even makes them here and there.

The league is also evolving rapidly, and it may be dangerous to even look back 8 years for much beyond some general ideas. The Dubs league leading offensive rating when they won 73 games would be middle of the pack this season.

82games actually bothered to do an update on 12/1, and the Warriors lineup with Curry-Thompson-Wiggins-Looney-Green has been garbage even though Draymond is on fire from 3pt so far this season. Meanwhile our Garland-Mitchell-Strus-E.Mobley-Allen lineup has at least been decent.

You can win games in the league by doing things differently, but is Mike Budenholzer, for instance, looking to do that? Or is he going to be looking to have at least 4 really good 3pt shooters in his starting lineup like he had in Milwaukee and Atlanta?

Just like how fans of other teams when looking at our roster want to trade Allen and Mitchell to put something more conventional on the floor, some of the coaching candidates may think the same.

Thompson may be washed and Wiggins came in out of shape. Let's not take this year's performance as their peak. Let's also remember they won the title just 2 years ago with Looney starting at C and Draymond shooting 20% from three on less than 2 attempts per game.

Do you want to look at the Lakers starting AD and Dwight Howard, or the fact that AD had one of his only 3-point streaks of his career in the Finals disqualify that team-up?

Being good at making 2s will give you an advantage over all those teams that space the floor really well, but any team can go cold for a few games over the course of a month and see the wheels fall off.

Sure, big lineups can work and be more than just a stop gap until the shooters come in, but you should be able to mix it up. I mean imagine designing a team around LeBron James where you can't get 3 or 4 shooters on the floor? It's such a simple and effective cheat code.

[JujitsuFlip]

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

I know the Cavs didn't guard Draymond at the 3-point line even if he took shots there. We also didn't guard Iguodala.

Yeah and it won the Warriors a title, so there's that lol

[JujitsuFlip]

One team has four titles in the past decade with two guys who you don't want shooting the 3 in the starting lineup. One year, Walton was even in charge.

Meh, the Draymond thing is a little overblown. For his first 3 rings he shot 4.3, 4.6, and 3.8 three point attempts in the playoffs, one season even hitting 41% of them.

That situation is nothing like the Cavs. Allen didn't attempt a 3 pointer last season in the first round and Mobley only attempted 1. In the play-in games the year prior, Mobley went 1-3 in the close out game from deep, no other attempts for either.

Mobley and Allen aren't even looking at a shot from outside 3 feet. Plus in both seasons they had Okoro in the front court rotation, who can't shoot either.

Some coach might want to try fitting Evan in to that Draymond role as the hub of the offense, but everyone should remember the Warriors invented the "death lineup" after falling behind to us; and Draymond at least attempts 3pters and even makes them here and there.

The league is also evolving rapidly, and it may be dangerous to even look back 8 years for much beyond some general ideas. The Dubs league leading offensive rating when they won 73 games would be middle of the pack this season.

82games actually bothered to do an update on 12/1, and the Warriors lineup with Curry-Thompson-Wiggins-Looney-Green has been garbage even though Draymond is on fire from 3pt so far this season. Meanwhile our Garland-Mitchell-Strus-E.Mobley-Allen lineup has at least been decent.

You can win games in the league by doing things differently, but is Mike Budenholzer, for instance, looking to do that? Or is he going to be looking to have at least 4 really good 3pt shooters in his starting lineup like he had in Milwaukee and Atlanta?

Just like how fans of other teams when looking at our roster want to trade Allen and Mitchell to put something more conventional on the floor, some of the coaching candidates may think the same.

Any change this season should be to move away from the redundancy that is on the roster, imo.

[ijspeelman]

Finally finished this project after much deliberation (and sickness).

As of 12/4/2023,


As of 11/21/2023 (when I said I would find this data),


I should be able to be able to pull this data for any time period now fairly quickly

[JujitsuFlip]

Appreciate the legwork speelman and it is as i suspected, Cavs play the tightest rotation in the NBA. With rounding, only 2 teams in the NBA play an 8 man rotation.

[JonFromVA]

Finally finished this project after much deliberation (and sickness).

Next step is the analysis, perhaps some speculative or statistical correlation to things like W-L and injuries?

Do teams play short rotations due to injuries or are the short rotations contributing to injures?

Do we think coaches at one end are more secure in their job than coaches at the other? Do years of pro experience of the roster correlate to the cut off point?

What about blowouts? A team either enjoying or suffering a lot of blowsouts should be playing a longer rotation? What if we filter and only look at close games?

For instance, Porzingis is currently out with a calf strain, but his minutes had been kept relatively low. Playing him at all may be the major risk factor; but at least the Celtics didn't rush him back a game later to see if they couldn't make it worse.

I'm not looking to absolve JBB as I believe developing a bench is an essential part of coaching; but there may be more lessons to be learned besides wow, we're at the wrong end of this list.

[mcfly1204]

Finally finished this project after much deliberation (and sickness).

I should be able to be able to pull this data for any time period now fairly quickly

Sorry if I am missing something here, but these are just raw numbers correct? This doesn't have the context that would allow to say things like "this clearly shows the Cavs play short rotations", right?