2023-24 Regular Season

[toooskies]

It should be clear to everyone who’s watched this team JB is just not a good coach.

Unfortunately there are Cavs fans who still "want to see more" from Jb. The guy has coached 272 regular season games as the Cavs HC, anything he could've showed you by now, he already has.

The guy isn't all of a sudden in his 5th season gonna flip a switch and actually learn how to run a diversified offense or a deep regular season rotation.

Well, no. We just interpret what we're seeing differently than you do. Is the difficulty in running a diversified offense a problem with the coach, or is it a problem with the core of the team being made up of young players? Is the difficulty in running a deep regular season rotation an issue with the coach, or with a shallow roster littered with one-way players and constantly battling injury?

Settling on the coach needing to be replaced is the easy answer but I'm pretty sure we would be struggling with any coach.

Our roster is very good when everyone's healthy, but it's also pretty fragile. Our offseason roster changes haven't changed the fact that our bench isn't very deep or even very good. LeVert is the only guy off the bench that is an NBA-level two-way player. Everyone else has serious flaws offensively or defensively, and when they have a bad game the whole team struggles. Damian Jones is a zero-way player. Ty Jerome hasn't played. Niang has been a poor man's Kevin Love on both ends of the court.

So much of the team's scheme is designed around the personnel and when personnel are missing, the scheme degenerates. No one can short roll on the team as good as Mobley and there's no one at the rim to dunk a lob on drives, and Mobley out kills our rim protection defensively. So since Mobley has been out, other teams have blocked 30 of our shots and we've blocked 10 of theirs. Against the Celtics the past two nights it was 17-5. Missing Mobley has really hurt us.

[toooskies]

Garland fractured his jaw in the collision with Porzingis last night:

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[ijspeelman]

The injuries are endless

[toooskies]

But wait, there's more!

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[jasonxxx102]

Well this will just give the JB excusers more excuses to keep him around...

It's time right now to trade Mitchell, fire JB and blow it up. If you didn't think the season was lost already, you can't deny it anymore

[JujitsuFlip]

Well this will just give the JB excusers more excuses to keep him around...

It's time right now to trade Mitchell, fire JB and blow it up. If you didn't think the season was lost already, you can't deny it anymore

Especially since we have our 1st round pick this season, tank to the bottom.

[JujitsuFlip]

Ik you already posted the tweets but figured I'd put the team's official release here too.

[ijspeelman]

[ijspeelman]

Well this will just give the JB excusers more excuses to keep him around...

It's time right now to trade Mitchell, fire JB and blow it up. If you didn't think the season was lost already, you can't deny it anymore

I could leave or take JB. Coaches have to deal with ideal conditions as well as the worst ones.

However, Mobley's injury at 8 weeks lasts until right before the all-star break which is give or take 25 games. I assume we are still a play-in team and if we end the season healthy, I still think the goal is do better than last year.

It doesn't matter these hurdles that is what my eyes are on. We all know this wasn't the year where we win a championship. The players and FO have said as such before the season started. Its about improving YTY so the season isn't lost until we don't make the second round.

I don't see why we should change our expectations even with the injury-luck and the regression we've seen. Or maybe I am crazy lol

[JonFromVA]

Well this will just give the JB excusers more excuses to keep him around...

It's time right now to trade Mitchell, fire JB and blow it up. If you didn't think the season was lost already, you can't deny it anymore

6-8 weeks isn't the season if the team can somehow stay near the top-10 without Garland and Mobley.

Now if you want to tank the season, trading Mitchell, and firing JBB to make sure we give big time development minutes to guys like CPJ and Bates might be a good plan.

[ijspeelman]

Well this will just give the JB excusers more excuses to keep him around...

It's time right now to trade Mitchell, fire JB and blow it up. If you didn't think the season was lost already, you can't deny it anymore

6-8 weeks isn't the season if the team can somehow stay near the top-10 without Garland and Mobley.

Now if you want to tank the season, trading Mitchell, and firing JBB to make sure we give big time development minutes to guys like CPJ and Bates might be a good plan.

The hope is, blow up or not, that the Cavs at least play Bates, IMo, Merrill, and CPJ some rotational NBA minutes and actually weed out who works on this team or has the potential to work on this team. Hell... get Jones out there and try to make it work

I know we've been vying for JB to play more than eight men and the excuse has been that those eight men make us the most competitive. Well, these are the situations where you are given the opportunity to test out your pieces in actual NBA minutes

[JonFromVA]

I appreciate Darius trying to tough it out, but everyone who thought it was a good idea to let him re-enter that game last night should be fired. Carelessness with the health of our players has become a pattern.

[toooskies]

Well this will just give the JB excusers more excuses to keep him around...

It's time right now to trade Mitchell, fire JB and blow it up. If you didn't think the season was lost already, you can't deny it anymore

I could leave or take JB. Coaches have to deal with ideal conditions as well as the worst ones.

However, Mobley's injury at 8 weeks lasts until right before the all-star break which is give or take 25 games. I assume we are still a play-in team and if we end the season healthy, I still think the goal is do better than last year.

It doesn't matter these hurdles that is what my eyes are on. We all know this wasn't the year where we win a championship. The players and FO have said as such before the season started. Its about improving YTY so the season isn't lost until we don't make the second round.

I don't see why we should change our expectations even with the injury-luck and the regression we've seen. Or maybe I am crazy lol

Well, at least the short-term results without Mobley and Garland may be survivable. Our next 4 weeks of games include only two opponents that are currently in the top 6 in their conferences.

The next period without Mobley will be rough as we face the Bucks three times in the 4-6 week period and a few other teams currently in the playoff mix as well. But it's not an impossible schedule.

It's pretty reasonable, looking at it, to see the Cavs hovering around .500 until the all-star break.

If both guys come back on time, it'll be around game 50 of the season where we'll be back at full strength.

But they're probably our two least-replaceable players, given our other issues at PG and our failure to add depth at PF this offseason.

[JujitsuFlip]

If it's me, Mobley is done for the season. Similar press given on Lonzo and Isaac that has turned into career altering events for both.

If Garland wants to come back in a month or so, so be it.

I'm trading Mitchell between today and the deadline, last thing we need is that guy getting hurt and not being able to trade him this summer.

If TT wants to go to a contender, cut him loose, if he's fine sticking around, guarantee his contract in January.

Imma play Bates and CPJ big minutes to figure out what i have.

I don't really care about Merrill if they wanna guarantee him or cut him, I'm cool either way.

Trading Rubio given these events shouldn't be a shock, so kind of a blessing in that regard.

If Allen still isn't 100% I'm fine sitting him down too.

Honestly, now is the time I want Jb to stick around, guy is a professional loser, only way i fire him is if he's still playing an 8 man rotation and killing our draft odds.

[JonFromVA]

We'll see, but it sounds like Mobley just has something floating around in his knee they want to suck out. That's typically a very minor procedure with a well known recovery.

With our luck, maybe it's a sign of something much worse, but we don't need to go there yet.

[JujitsuFlip]

We'll see, but it sounds like Mobley just has something floating around in his knee they want to suck out. That's typically a very minor procedure with a well known recovery.

With our luck, maybe it's a sign of something much worse, but we don't need to go there yet.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/bulls-lonzo-ball-out-6-8-weeks-after-knee-surgery

Lonzo was supposed to be out 6 to 8 weeks after arthroscopic surgery back in January 2022, the guy hasn't played basketball in nearly 2 years and may potentially never play again.

It's never good when they have to go into your knee.

Like i said, if it's me, Mobley is done for the season, I'm not rushing him back for the playoffs that will just end in an early exit anyways.

Let him rest, trade Mitchell, tank the season, get a solid 1st rounder. Reset the timeline back to where it should be.

[toooskies]

We'll see, but it sounds like Mobley just has something floating around in his knee they want to suck out. That's typically a very minor procedure with a well known recovery.

With our luck, maybe it's a sign of something much worse, but we don't need to go there yet.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/bulls-lonzo-ball-out-6-8-weeks-after-knee-surgery

Lonzo was supposed to be out 6 to 8 weeks after arthroscopic surgery back in January 2022, the guy hasn't played basketball in nearly 2 years and may potentially never play again.

It's never good when they have to go into your knee.

Like i said, if it's me, Mobley is done for the season, I'm not rushing him back for the playoffs that will just end in an early exit anyways.

Let him rest, trade Mitchell, tank the season, get a solid 1st rounder. Reset the timeline back to where it should be.

Wikipedia said Lonzo's initial surgery was for a meniscus tear and not a loose body.

[JujitsuFlip]

We'll see, but it sounds like Mobley just has something floating around in his knee they want to suck out. That's typically a very minor procedure with a well known recovery.

With our luck, maybe it's a sign of something much worse, but we don't need to go there yet.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/bulls-lonzo-ball-out-6-8-weeks-after-knee-surgery

Lonzo was supposed to be out 6 to 8 weeks after arthroscopic surgery back in January 2022, the guy hasn't played basketball in nearly 2 years and may potentially never play again.

It's never good when they have to go into your knee.

Like i said, if it's me, Mobley is done for the season, I'm not rushing him back for the playoffs that will just end in an early exit anyways.

Let him rest, trade Mitchell, tank the season, get a solid 1st rounder. Reset the timeline back to where it should be.

Wikipedia said Lonzo's initial surgery was for a meniscus tear and not a loose body.

You're right, that's true and my mom was walking around 2 days later after meniscus surgery. Mobley's loose body came from somewhere though, so you never know what they will find until they're in there. Plus he's a 7 footer.

Just be safe and shut him down for the season.

Cavs are missing their 2 best players from a talent + potential standpoint with injuries, I'm not sure what everyone thinks best case scenario is from here.

[jbk1234]

Porzingis wasn't even called for a foul on the play. I swear playing the Celtics in Boston is like playing the USSR with an East Germany officiated crew on the floor.

[JonFromVA]

Porzingis wasn't even called for a foul on the play. I swear playing the Celtics in Boston is like playing the USSR with an East Germany officiated crew on the floor.

Garland did run in to him ... if he was wearing green and the refs from Tuesday night were on the floor, he may have gotten the call.