2023-24 Regular Season

[Iwasawitness]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/bulls-lonzo-ball-out-6-8-weeks-after-knee-surgery

Lonzo was supposed to be out 6 to 8 weeks after arthroscopic surgery back in January 2022, the guy hasn't played basketball in nearly 2 years and may potentially never play again.

It's never good when they have to go into your knee.

Like i said, if it's me, Mobley is done for the season, I'm not rushing him back for the playoffs that will just end in an early exit anyways.

Let him rest, trade Mitchell, tank the season, get a solid 1st rounder. Reset the timeline back to where it should be.

Wikipedia said Lonzo's initial surgery was for a meniscus tear and not a loose body.

You're right, that's true and my mom was walking around 2 days later after meniscus surgery. Mobley's loose body came from somewhere though, so you never know what they will find until they're in there. Plus he's a 7 footer.

Just be safe and shut him down for the season.

Cavs are missing their 2 best players from a talent + potential standpoint with injuries, I'm not sure what everyone thinks best case scenario is from here.

Shutting down Mobley for the season is just a complete waste of his development at that point. I definitely want the Cavaliers to tread carefully here and lean more towards the 8 week than 6 week part of the timetable return... but shutting him down is just silly.

Now with that said, I am fully on the camp of trading Mitchell away at this point, but now for different reasons. I fully expect Mitchell's numbers to go up significantly and for him to really show how much he can carry an offense. This may be the best possible chance we will have to actually trade him and get valuable assets back.

[JujitsuFlip]

Wikipedia said Lonzo's initial surgery was for a meniscus tear and not a loose body.

You're right, that's true and my mom was walking around 2 days later after meniscus surgery. Mobley's loose body came from somewhere though, so you never know what they will find until they're in there. Plus he's a 7 footer.

Just be safe and shut him down for the season.

Cavs are missing their 2 best players from a talent + potential standpoint with injuries, I'm not sure what everyone thinks best case scenario is from here.

Shutting down Mobley for the season is just a complete waste of his development at that point. I definitely want the Cavaliers to tread carefully here and lean more towards the 8 week than 6 week part of the timetable return... but shutting him down is just silly.

Now with that said, I am fully on the camp of trading Mitchell away at this point, but now for different reasons. I fully expect Mitchell's numbers to go up significantly and for him to really show how much he can carry an offense. This may be the best possible chance we will have to actually trade him and get valuable assets back.

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

[Iwasawitness]

You're right, that's true and my mom was walking around 2 days later after meniscus surgery. Mobley's loose body came from somewhere though, so you never know what they will find until they're in there. Plus he's a 7 footer.

Just be safe and shut him down for the season.

Cavs are missing their 2 best players from a talent + potential standpoint with injuries, I'm not sure what everyone thinks best case scenario is from here.

Shutting down Mobley for the season is just a complete waste of his development at that point. I definitely want the Cavaliers to tread carefully here and lean more towards the 8 week than 6 week part of the timetable return... but shutting him down is just silly.

Now with that said, I am fully on the camp of trading Mitchell away at this point, but now for different reasons. I fully expect Mitchell's numbers to go up significantly and for him to really show how much he can carry an offense. This may be the best possible chance we will have to actually trade him and get valuable assets back.

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

You don’t shut someone down when there’s still months left to play in the season. This is a ridiculous idea and you know it.

[JujitsuFlip]

Shutting down Mobley for the season is just a complete waste of his development at that point. I definitely want the Cavaliers to tread carefully here and lean more towards the 8 week than 6 week part of the timetable return... but shutting him down is just silly.

Now with that said, I am fully on the camp of trading Mitchell away at this point, but now for different reasons. I fully expect Mitchell's numbers to go up significantly and for him to really show how much he can carry an offense. This may be the best possible chance we will have to actually trade him and get valuable assets back.

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

You don’t shut someone down when there’s still months left to play in the season. This is a ridiculous idea and you know it.

Teams do it all the time, what are you talking about? lol

The Cavs season is over, it doesn't matter to me if they win another game this season, we're playing for ping pong balls now.

[toooskies]

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

You don’t shut someone down when there’s still months left to play in the season. This is a ridiculous idea and you know it.

Teams do it all the time, what are you talking about? lol

The Cavs season is over, it doesn't matter to me if they win another game this season, we're playing for ping pong balls now.

Garland might be out for 12 games, nine of which are at home and six of which are against teams with 10 wins or fewer. We sadly won't be racking up wins as easily as we would have hoped but I'd be amazed if we don't reach 4-6 wins over that period.

Mobley will be out for 20-25 games but after Garland returns we should be able to play .500 ball while waiting for Mobley to get back.

We probably don't have a path to home court in the first round anymore but the situation isn't as dire as you make it out to be.

[JujitsuFlip]

You don’t shut someone down when there’s still months left to play in the season. This is a ridiculous idea and you know it.

Teams do it all the time, what are you talking about? lol

The Cavs season is over, it doesn't matter to me if they win another game this season, we're playing for ping pong balls now.

Garland might be out for 12 games, nine of which are at home and six of which are against teams with 10 wins or fewer. We sadly won't be racking up wins as easily as we would have hoped but I'd be amazed if we don't reach 4-6 wins over that period.

Mobley will be out for 20-25 games but after Garland returns we should be able to play .500 ball while waiting for Mobley to get back.

We probably don't have a path to home court in the first round anymore but the situation isn't as dire as you make it out to be.

Cavs would be in a much better spot if they pulled the plug on the season instead of trying to keep their head above water when they don't know how to swim.

Garland will be reevaluated in approximately 12 games, doesn't mean he will be cleared then.

Mobley should most likely be out for 28 games, he's not even had surgery yet.

[toooskies]

Teams do it all the time, what are you talking about? lol

The Cavs season is over, it doesn't matter to me if they win another game this season, we're playing for ping pong balls now.

Garland might be out for 12 games, nine of which are at home and six of which are against teams with 10 wins or fewer. We sadly won't be racking up wins as easily as we would have hoped but I'd be amazed if we don't reach 4-6 wins over that period.

Mobley will be out for 20-25 games but after Garland returns we should be able to play .500 ball while waiting for Mobley to get back.

We probably don't have a path to home court in the first round anymore but the situation isn't as dire as you make it out to be.

Cavs would be in a much better spot if they pulled the plug on the season instead of trying to keep their head above water when they don't know how to swim.

Garland will be reevaluated in approximately 12 games, doesn't mean he will be cleared then.

Mobley should most likely be out for 28 games, he's not even had surgery yet.

8 weeks from Mobley's surgery date is February 12, which is the 27th game. Of course, he could also be back in 6 weeks.

Not knowing any context around Garland's actual injury, he may have just a hairline fracture which should heal in 4 weeks while a complete break would be a long, annoying process. The fact he went back in the game indicates to me that the injury didn't show up on an x-ray at first and may just be the hairline variety.

My overall point, though, is that there are winnable games between now and then, so I don't believe we are down to playing for ping pong balls quite yet.

[JujitsuFlip]

Garland might be out for 12 games, nine of which are at home and six of which are against teams with 10 wins or fewer. We sadly won't be racking up wins as easily as we would have hoped but I'd be amazed if we don't reach 4-6 wins over that period.

Mobley will be out for 20-25 games but after Garland returns we should be able to play .500 ball while waiting for Mobley to get back.

We probably don't have a path to home court in the first round anymore but the situation isn't as dire as you make it out to be.

Cavs would be in a much better spot if they pulled the plug on the season instead of trying to keep their head above water when they don't know how to swim.

Garland will be reevaluated in approximately 12 games, doesn't mean he will be cleared then.

Mobley should most likely be out for 28 games, he's not even had surgery yet.

8 weeks from Mobley's surgery date is February 12, which is the 27th game. Of course, he could also be back in 6 weeks.

Not knowing any context around Garland's actual injury, he may have just a hairline fracture which should heal in 4 weeks while a complete break would be a long, annoying process. The fact he went back in the game indicates to me that the injury didn't show up on an x-ray at first and may just be the hairline variety.

My overall point, though, is that there are winnable games between now and then, so I don't believe we are down to playing for ping pong balls quite yet.

Mobley isn't gonna come back and play 1 or 2 games before the All-Star break, V illogical. This guy is 22 years old, no need to rush him back. If there are no setbacks, Cavs should be targeting February 22nd for his return date.

Doesn't matter, it's not an eye or a nose so regardless Garland is out a minimum of 4 weeks then will be reevaluated, he doesn't have a mask or goggles he can wear to come back early. Again, he's 23 years old.

We're 13-12 and in 9th place in the East, do we really want Jb to run Mitchell 40 MPG to maintain 9th place in the East, to what end? If the guy has a season ending injury, then the Cavs are stuck with him. If he refuses the contract extension again, then we're screwed.

My overall point is it's best to pivot, right now. Trade Mitchell for the best offer and let Garland and Mobley come back slowly, if at all. Sit Allen down too, guy already told the media he's playing at less than 100%.

Gotta go into asset protection mode, Toooskies... Not fight for a play-in spot.

Edit: the Cavs could realistically be 22-31 by the time Mobley is ready to suit up again.

[jbk1234]

You're right, that's true and my mom was walking around 2 days later after meniscus surgery. Mobley's loose body came from somewhere though, so you never know what they will find until they're in there. Plus he's a 7 footer.

Just be safe and shut him down for the season.

Cavs are missing their 2 best players from a talent + potential standpoint with injuries, I'm not sure what everyone thinks best case scenario is from here.

Shutting down Mobley for the season is just a complete waste of his development at that point. I definitely want the Cavaliers to tread carefully here and lean more towards the 8 week than 6 week part of the timetable return... but shutting him down is just silly.

Now with that said, I am fully on the camp of trading Mitchell away at this point, but now for different reasons. I fully expect Mitchell's numbers to go up significantly and for him to really show how much he can carry an offense. This may be the best possible chance we will have to actually trade him and get valuable assets back.

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

It may not be meaningless basketball. It's really going to be dependent upon Allen, Mitchell, Strus, and to a lesser extent LeVert, remaining healthy. Our schedule in January is much easier than the gauntlet we've run through to start the season. Despite the injuries and opposition we've dealt with to date, we're a game over .500.

JBB is going to have to manage minutes well going forward and the organization should consider resting Allen and Mitchell for schedule losses.

[JonFromVA]

It doesn't matter what we think, we can just hope the Cavs are making sound medical decisions. I'd be very surprised if they traded Mitchell and/or tanked the season while the playoffs are still in reach. You don't rob the team of the chance of hanging in there and then getting healthy enough to make a run - at least not now.

If Cooper Flag was in this draft, who knows, but at least at this point from what little I've read - nobody has established themselves as a franchise level prospect in the 2024 draft let alone multiple which is really the key to beating the lottery.

[toooskies]

Cavs would be in a much better spot if they pulled the plug on the season instead of trying to keep their head above water when they don't know how to swim.

Garland will be reevaluated in approximately 12 games, doesn't mean he will be cleared then.

Mobley should most likely be out for 28 games, he's not even had surgery yet.

8 weeks from Mobley's surgery date is February 12, which is the 27th game. Of course, he could also be back in 6 weeks.

Not knowing any context around Garland's actual injury, he may have just a hairline fracture which should heal in 4 weeks while a complete break would be a long, annoying process. The fact he went back in the game indicates to me that the injury didn't show up on an x-ray at first and may just be the hairline variety.

My overall point, though, is that there are winnable games between now and then, so I don't believe we are down to playing for ping pong balls quite yet.

Mobley isn't gonna come back and play 1 or 2 games before the All-Star break, V illogical. This guy is 22 years old, no need to rush him back. If there are no setbacks, Cavs should be targeting February 22nd for his return date.

Doesn't matter, it's not an eye or a nose so regardless Garland is out a minimum of 4 weeks then will be reevaluated, he doesn't have a mask or goggles he can wear to come back early. Again, he's 23 years old.

We're 13-12 and in 9th place in the East, do we really want Jb to run Mitchell 40 MPG to maintain 9th place in the East, to what end? If the guy has a season ending injury, then the Cavs are stuck with him. If he refuses the contract extension again, then we're screwed.

My overall point is it's best to pivot, right now. Trade Mitchell for the best offer and let Garland and Mobley come back slowly, if at all. Sit Allen down too, guy already told the media he's playing at less than 100%.

Gotta go into asset protection mode, Toooskies... Not fight for a play-in spot.

Edit: the Cavs could realistically be 22-31 by the time Mobley is ready to suit up again.

We are 13-12 and have this far played one of the most difficult schedules in the league thus far while also missing 18 games combined from the big four. We have one of the easiest schedules remaining. Outside of facing Milwaukee four times in the next 8 weeks, there aren't a lot of games where the Cavs have no chance of winning.

Mitchell, Allen, and Strus should still carry us to 5-0 or 4-1 in the five games they'll play against Washington and San Antonio. They should draw even against mediocre teams like Atlanta, Toronto, and Chicago that we will see multiple times.

Yeah, we could trade Mitchell and shut guys down. What's Mitchell's value, though? Is Brooklyn willing to pay a premium for him now? Are the Knicks? The Lakers? Who else thinks they can keep him in 2025? The Cavs would need assets back who are going to contribute next year, not picks that convey in 2027 or 2029, for a deal to make sense.

Tanking for lottery balls might make sense if this weren't the worst draft at the top since the year we ended up with Okoro. Remember that the pick the Warriors got in their down year had no impact on their title season-- Wiseman was a bust.

There's a bunch of ways where tanking simply doesn't make sense. That's not why most of the roster is here. The youth of our roster is centered around the two guys that are hurt. CPJ and Bates and maybe Okoro could benefit from a rebuild, but honestly there is so little to gain if the Cavs cash Mitchell in for picks. The draft pool is very weak this year. The bounce-back needs to be immediate.

I could be talked into Mitchell trades where we get back a clear piece of a future core. Murphy from the Pelicans or Jalen Williams from OKC. Eason and Whitmore from Houston. But picks + tanking simply doesn't make sense.

[JujitsuFlip]

Shutting down Mobley for the season is just a complete waste of his development at that point. I definitely want the Cavaliers to tread carefully here and lean more towards the 8 week than 6 week part of the timetable return... but shutting him down is just silly.

Now with that said, I am fully on the camp of trading Mitchell away at this point, but now for different reasons. I fully expect Mitchell's numbers to go up significantly and for him to really show how much he can carry an offense. This may be the best possible chance we will have to actually trade him and get valuable assets back.

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

It may not be meaningless basketball. It's really going to be dependent upon Allen, Mitchell, Strus, and to a lesser extent LeVert, remaining healthy. Our schedule in January is much easier than the gauntlet we've run through to start the season. Despite the injuries and opposition we've dealt with to date, we're a game over .500.

JBB is going to have to manage minutes well going forward and the organization should consider resting Allen and Mitchell for schedule losses.

I'm just saying hopefully come the trade deadline, the Cavs have nothing to play for.

Like what is best case scenario here come February 22nd? The Cavs are hovering around .500 and are still not a top 6 seed?

I just fail to see what people think the best case scenario here is. We really want Jb playing Mitchell 40 MPG and risking catastrophic injury just to maybe get into the play-in?

Time to be proactive and pull the plug on the season, get assets for Mitchell, while ya can.

[toooskies]

Mobley is 22 years old, he has 4 more full seasons to develop, him coming back February 22nd to play a couple months of hopefully meaningless basketball at the risk of jeopardizing his long term health, right before the Cavs sign him to long term deal, from a risk/reward perspective makes no sense.

It may not be meaningless basketball. It's really going to be dependent upon Allen, Mitchell, Strus, and to a lesser extent LeVert, remaining healthy. Our schedule in January is much easier than the gauntlet we've run through to start the season. Despite the injuries and opposition we've dealt with to date, we're a game over .500.

JBB is going to have to manage minutes well going forward and the organization should consider resting Allen and Mitchell for schedule losses.

I'm just saying hopefully come the trade deadline, the Cavs have nothing to play for.

Like what is best case scenario here come February 22nd? The Cavs are hovering around .500 and are still not a top 6 seed?

I just fail to see what people think the best case scenario here is.

Getting the 6 or 7 seed and meeting Orlando or Philly in the first round.

[JujitsuFlip]

8 weeks from Mobley's surgery date is February 12, which is the 27th game. Of course, he could also be back in 6 weeks.

Not knowing any context around Garland's actual injury, he may have just a hairline fracture which should heal in 4 weeks while a complete break would be a long, annoying process. The fact he went back in the game indicates to me that the injury didn't show up on an x-ray at first and may just be the hairline variety.

My overall point, though, is that there are winnable games between now and then, so I don't believe we are down to playing for ping pong balls quite yet.

Mobley isn't gonna come back and play 1 or 2 games before the All-Star break, V illogical. This guy is 22 years old, no need to rush him back. If there are no setbacks, Cavs should be targeting February 22nd for his return date.

Doesn't matter, it's not an eye or a nose so regardless Garland is out a minimum of 4 weeks then will be reevaluated, he doesn't have a mask or goggles he can wear to come back early. Again, he's 23 years old.

We're 13-12 and in 9th place in the East, do we really want Jb to run Mitchell 40 MPG to maintain 9th place in the East, to what end? If the guy has a season ending injury, then the Cavs are stuck with him. If he refuses the contract extension again, then we're screwed.

My overall point is it's best to pivot, right now. Trade Mitchell for the best offer and let Garland and Mobley come back slowly, if at all. Sit Allen down too, guy already told the media he's playing at less than 100%.

Gotta go into asset protection mode, Toooskies... Not fight for a play-in spot.

Edit: the Cavs could realistically be 22-31 by the time Mobley is ready to suit up again.

We are 13-12 and have this far played one of the most difficult schedules in the league thus far while also missing 18 games combined from the big four. We have one of the easiest schedules remaining. Outside of facing Milwaukee four times in the next 8 weeks, there aren't a lot of games where the Cavs have no chance of winning.

Mitchell, Allen, and Strus should still carry us to 5-0 or 4-1 in the five games they'll play against Washington and San Antonio. They should draw even against mediocre teams like Atlanta, Toronto, and Chicago that we will see multiple times.

Yeah, we could trade Mitchell and shut guys down. What's Mitchell's value, though? Is Brooklyn willing to pay a premium for him now? Are the Knicks? The Lakers? Who else thinks they can keep him in 2025? The Cavs would need assets back who are going to contribute next year, not picks that convey in 2027 or 2029, for a deal to make sense.

Tanking for lottery balls might make sense if this weren't the worst draft at the top since the year we ended up with Okoro. Remember that the pick the Warriors got in their down year had no impact on their title season-- Wiseman was a bust.

There's a bunch of ways where tanking simply doesn't make sense. That's not why most of the roster is here. The youth of our roster is centered around the two guys that are hurt. CPJ and Bates and maybe Okoro could benefit from a rebuild, but honestly there is so little to gain if the Cavs cash Mitchell in for picks. The draft pool is very weak this year. The bounce-back needs to be immediate.

I could be talked into Mitchell trades where we get back a clear piece of a future core. Murphy from the Pelicans or Jalen Williams from OKC. Eason and Whitmore from Houston. But picks + tanking simply doesn't make sense.

What is running Strus and Mitchell 40 MPG the next 8 weeks going to accomplish, realistically? Outside of risking further injury, I don't see it. Maintaining the 9 seed in the East? No thank you.

Koby needs to get on the phones to see what Mitchell's value is.

Why do the Cavs need pieces that will contribute next season, strongly disagree. I will reiterate Mobley is 22 and Garland is 23, these guys are 4 seasons away from needing to be in win now mode, these 2 guys are still childern and they're the 2 core pieces of this franchise.

I'll take a top 5 pick, idc what draft it is. It's a great asset that the Cavs will not have the chance to hold in 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, or 2029.

Why does the bounce back have to immediate? 100% disagree.

[JujitsuFlip]

It may not be meaningless basketball. It's really going to be dependent upon Allen, Mitchell, Strus, and to a lesser extent LeVert, remaining healthy. Our schedule in January is much easier than the gauntlet we've run through to start the season. Despite the injuries and opposition we've dealt with to date, we're a game over .500.

JBB is going to have to manage minutes well going forward and the organization should consider resting Allen and Mitchell for schedule losses.

I'm just saying hopefully come the trade deadline, the Cavs have nothing to play for.

Like what is best case scenario here come February 22nd? The Cavs are hovering around .500 and are still not a top 6 seed?

I just fail to see what people think the best case scenario here is.

Getting the 6 or 7 seed and meeting Orlando or Philly in the first round.

That's stupid and get swept again, no thanks I'm cool on that. That accomplishes nothing.

I'll gladly get off the treadmill now, thanks.

Not trying to miss the 2nd round 3 seasons in a row.

The risk/reward on that is awful. You have to rush back the 2 young franchise cornerstones AND risk Mitchell getting injured and becoming untradable. Nope nope nope.

[toooskies]

I'm just saying hopefully come the trade deadline, the Cavs have nothing to play for.

Like what is best case scenario here come February 22nd? The Cavs are hovering around .500 and are still not a top 6 seed?

I just fail to see what people think the best case scenario here is.

Getting the 6 or 7 seed and meeting Orlando or Philly in the first round.

That's stupid and get swept again, no thanks I'm cool on that. That accomplishes nothing.

I'll gladly get off the treadmill now, thanks.

Not trying to miss the 2nd round 3 seasons in a row.

The risk/reward on that is awful. You have to rush back the 2 young franchise cornerstones AND risk Mitchell getting injured and becoming untradable. Nope nope nope.

I think the Cavs make either series competitive. Embiid stops getting his whistle in the playoffs.

[jbk1234]

I'm just saying hopefully come the trade deadline, the Cavs have nothing to play for.

Like what is best case scenario here come February 22nd? The Cavs are hovering around .500 and are still not a top 6 seed?

I just fail to see what people think the best case scenario here is.

Getting the 6 or 7 seed and meeting Orlando or Philly in the first round.

That's stupid and get swept again, no thanks I'm cool on that. That accomplishes nothing.

I'll gladly get off the treadmill now, thanks.

Not trying to miss the 2nd round 3 seasons in a row.

The risk/reward on that is awful. You have to rush back the 2 young franchise cornerstones AND risk Mitchell getting injured and becoming untradable. Nope nope nope.

I don't see any team sweeping us and the there's more than two entire months between Mobley's expected return (Garland's expected back on January) and the start of the playoffs.

[JujitsuFlip]

Getting the 6 or 7 seed and meeting Orlando or Philly in the first round.

That's stupid and get swept again, no thanks I'm cool on that. That accomplishes nothing.

I'll gladly get off the treadmill now, thanks.

Not trying to miss the 2nd round 3 seasons in a row.

The risk/reward on that is awful. You have to rush back the 2 young franchise cornerstones AND risk Mitchell getting injured and becoming untradable. Nope nope nope.

I don't see any team sweeping us and the there's more than two entire months between Mobley's expected return (Garland's expected back on January) and the start of the playoffs.

I meant gentleman's sweeping us again.

[JujitsuFlip]

Getting the 6 or 7 seed and meeting Orlando or Philly in the first round.

That's stupid and get swept again, no thanks I'm cool on that. That accomplishes nothing.

I'll gladly get off the treadmill now, thanks.

Not trying to miss the 2nd round 3 seasons in a row.

The risk/reward on that is awful. You have to rush back the 2 young franchise cornerstones AND risk Mitchell getting injured and becoming untradable. Nope nope nope.

I think the Cavs make either series competitive. Embiid stops getting his whistle in the playoffs.

If they lose, it's still 3 straight post seasons not making it to the 2nd round.

I'd rather just end the Mitchell experiment and let Garland rest his jaw, Mobley rest his knee, and more than likely Allen rest his ankle.

If this was 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, or 2029... I would agree with you because tanking wouldn't be beneficial, tanking directly impacts our ping pong balls this season.

Also, if the Cavs were like a 2 or 3 seed currently, i may be more likely to agree with ya.

Given the circumstances, best path forward is pulling the plug on the season.

[toooskies]

That's stupid and get swept again, no thanks I'm cool on that. That accomplishes nothing.

I'll gladly get off the treadmill now, thanks.

Not trying to miss the 2nd round 3 seasons in a row.

The risk/reward on that is awful. You have to rush back the 2 young franchise cornerstones AND risk Mitchell getting injured and becoming untradable. Nope nope nope.

I think the Cavs make either series competitive. Embiid stops getting his whistle in the playoffs.

If they lose, it's still 3 straight post seasons not making it to the 2nd round.

I'd rather just end the Mitchell experiment and let Garland rest his jaw, Mobley rest his knee, and more than likely Allen rest his ankle.

If this was 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, or 2029... I would agree with you because tanking wouldn't be beneficial, tanking directly impacts our ping pong balls this season.

Also, if the Cavs were like a 2 or 3 seed currently, i may be more likely to agree with ya.

Given the circumstances, best path forward is pulling the plug on the season.

Even if that were the best idea, you literally have literally no one in the organization from the owner to the last guy on the bench who is going to concede this season.