Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6924021 Here is another one moving Irving and Love.
I don't think they will move Love, but you never know.

Cavs wouldn't, and shouldn't, move Love for Drummond. Do Cavs fans not remember Van Gundy pulling Drummond off the floor in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?

good point, but that trade has Love going to Utah in a 3 team deal . I think Drummond spending a month with Korver and he would be shooting ft like TT by March.
I know they shouldn't , I wouldn't , but I would never say they wouldn't,in fact I think they might,when you lead the league in offensive rebounds and are 3rd in defensive rebounding with the most rebounds total of any player in the league at 1115 last season it's gotta be a consideration, Love had 449 less rebounds despite being the better player overall.

[jbk1234]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6924021 Here is another one moving Irving and Love.
I don't think they will move Love, but you never know.

Cavs wouldn't, and shouldn't, move Love for Drummond. Do Cavs fans not remember Van Gundy pulling Drummond off the floor in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?

good point, but that trade has Love going to Utah in a 3 team deal . I think Drummond spending a month with Korver and he would be shooting ft like TT by March.
I know they shouldn't , I wouldn't , but I would never say they wouldn't,in fact I think they might,when you lead the league in offensive rebounds and are 3rd in defensive rebounding with the most rebounds total of any player in the league at 1115 last season it's gotta be a consideration, Love had 449 less rebounds despite being the better player overall.

I don't think you can lose Love's offense when Kyrie's leaving. Notwithstanding how good their defense is, the Grizzlies have never made the Finals.

[Stillwater]

Cavs wouldn't, and shouldn't, move Love for Drummond. Do Cavs fans not remember Van Gundy pulling Drummond off the floor in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?

good point, but that trade has Love going to Utah in a 3 team deal . I think Drummond spending a month with Korver and he would be shooting ft like TT by March.
I know they shouldn't , I wouldn't , but I would never say they wouldn't,in fact I think they might,when you lead the league in offensive rebounds and are 3rd in defensive rebounding with the most rebounds total of any player in the league at 1115 last season it's gotta be a consideration, Love had 449 less rebounds despite being the better player overall.

I don't think you can lose Love's offense when Kyrie's leaving. Notwithstanding how good their defense is, the Grizzlies have never made the Finals.

Yeah in that deal with Drummond wed'e get Wiggins and Reggie Jackson , plenty of offense there.
My hope is that they Keep Love, but there have been a few indications hopefully from bad sources indicating Love is also in trade discussions right now.
Going to be a stressful ordeal until something happens.

[jbk1234]

good point, but that trade has Love going to Utah in a 3 team deal . I think Drummond spending a month with Korver and he would be shooting ft like TT by March.
I know they shouldn't , I wouldn't , but I would never say they wouldn't,in fact I think they might,when you lead the league in offensive rebounds and are 3rd in defensive rebounding with the most rebounds total of any player in the league at 1115 last season it's gotta be a consideration, Love had 449 less rebounds despite being the better player overall.

I don't think you can lose Love's offense when Kyrie's leaving. Notwithstanding how good their defense is, the Grizzlies have never made the Finals.

Yeah in that deal with Drummond wed'e get Wiggins and Reggie Jackson , plenty of offense there.
My hope is that they Keep Love, but there have been a few indications hopefully from bad sources indicating Love is also in trade discussions right now.
Going to be a stressful ordeal until something happens.

Reggie Jackson is a homeless man's Kyrie. All of the bad, and half of the good.

[DayofMourning]

We've got some Heat fans interested in Irving. If you guys were the GMs, what would it take from the Heat to help him on his way out of Cleveland?

[jbk1234]

We've got some Heat fans interested in Irving. If you guys were the GMs, what would it take from the Heat to help him on his way out of Cleveland?

Whiteside, a pick, & third teams to take Dragic & TT. It's a nightmare logistically and would be a really bad idea for the Heat IMO. If you have any illusions about playing Waiters & Kyrie together, go ahead and starting looking for a third team to send Waiters to as well.

[Stillwater]

^^^ with as much interest as there is in KI right now, I think Miami would have a tough sell. We would have to get back Adebayo if we settled for Dragic as Kyries old man replacement along with probably Tyler Johnson and a unprotected draft pick in 3 years or whenever Miami actually has one to trade.
I don't know why Miami would really want him anyway, it didn't work with a Irving Waiters back court in Cleveland,doubt it works in Miami either.
I guess Miami has a shot if they can get a 3rd team that has somebody the Cav's want.

[Stillwater]

I don't think you can lose Love's offense when Kyrie's leaving. Notwithstanding how good their defense is, the Grizzlies have never made the Finals.

Yeah in that deal with Drummond wed'e get Wiggins and Reggie Jackson , plenty of offense there.
My hope is that they Keep Love, but there have been a few indications hopefully from bad sources indicating Love is also in trade discussions right now.
Going to be a stressful ordeal until something happens.

Reggie Jackson is a homeless man's Kyrie. All of the bad, and half of the good.

Jackson has been pretty disappointing in dysfunctional Detroit, looked decent in a lesser role in OKC , but I hear you he's no KI.

[jbk1234]

Yeah in that deal with Drummond wed'e get Wiggins and Reggie Jackson , plenty of offense there.
My hope is that they Keep Love, but there have been a few indications hopefully from bad sources indicating Love is also in trade discussions right now.
Going to be a stressful ordeal until something happens.

Reggie Jackson is a homeless man's Kyrie. All of the bad, and half of the good.

Jackson has been pretty disappointing in dysfunctional Detroit, looked decent in a lesser role in OKC , but I hear you he's no KI.

Disappointing is understating it. He lost his job to Ish Smith. He's a less efficient version of Kyrie who makes his team worse.

[Stillwater]

Reggie Jackson is a homeless man's Kyrie. All of the bad, and half of the good.

Jackson has been pretty disappointing in dysfunctional Detroit, looked decent in a lesser role in OKC , but I hear you he's no KI.

Disappointing is understating it. He lost his job to Ish Smith. He's a less efficient version of Kyrie who makes his team worse.

Yeah he is not a 2 way player and a liability on defense even more than Irving , which is why I though he lost the starting job last season , but he had a decent offensive game , regardless the closer I look at you are right I wouldn't touch him for Calderon for the salary he is earning.

[jbk1234]

Jackson has been pretty disappointing in dysfunctional Detroit, looked decent in a lesser role in OKC , but I hear you he's no KI.

Disappointing is understating it. He lost his job to Ish Smith. He's a less efficient version of Kyrie who makes his team worse.

Yeah he is not a 2 way player and a liability on defense even more than Irving , which is why I though he lost the starting job last season , but he had a decent offensive game , regardless the closer I look at you are right I wouldn't touch him for Calderon for the salary he is earning.

He lost his starting job b/c all ball movement ceased and although he got his, his team actually played worse offensively.

[bondom34]

Disappointing is understating it. He lost his job to Ish Smith. He's a less efficient version of Kyrie who makes his team worse.

Yeah he is not a 2 way player and a liability on defense even more than Irving , which is why I though he lost the starting job last season , but he had a decent offensive game , regardless the closer I look at you are right I wouldn't touch him for Calderon for the salary he is earning.

He lost his starting job b/c all ball movement ceased and although he got his, his team actually played worse offensively.

You don't want Reggie. So many stories if you ask the OKC board.

[DayofMourning]

Thanks for the responses jbk and Stillwater!

[Stillwater]

Disappointing is understating it. He lost his job to Ish Smith. He's a less efficient version of Kyrie who makes his team worse.

Yeah he is not a 2 way player and a liability on defense even more than Irving , which is why I though he lost the starting job last season , but he had a decent offensive game , regardless the closer I look at you are right I wouldn't touch him for Calderon for the salary he is earning.

He lost his starting job b/c all ball movement ceased and although he got his, his team actually played worse offensively.

yeah KI is a ball stopper as well , so I didn't see much drop off there.
I am starting to feel as if a simple Irving for Wiggins and Dieng swap is a strong return given Wiggins is fringe allstar in this league and probably would be one as soon as next season in Cleveland. But I would also demand their 2018 first from OKC or their 2019 top 10 protected.

[Stillwater]

Yeah he is not a 2 way player and a liability on defense even more than Irving , which is why I though he lost the starting job last season , but he had a decent offensive game , regardless the closer I look at you are right I wouldn't touch him for Calderon for the salary he is earning.

He lost his starting job b/c all ball movement ceased and although he got his, his team actually played worse offensively.

You don't want Reggie. So many stories if you ask the OKC board.

I assume you are referring to his immaturity , he was included as a viable offensive option at the 1 guard to fill some of the void from KI being moved in a trade where the Cavs were also getting drummond,Wiggins & Patton, but after looking at RJ's defensive numbers ,which are terribly worse than I realized, yeah no interest at this point, thanks

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6926113
thinking outside the box on this one, have to take on Bayless but get Fultz,Okafor & Covington.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6926770
Here is one of the more modest deals , but it gets the cav's another great shooter who can play the pg position in time(did so entirely coming up through the ranks, but deferred to Fox at KY,more so because Monk was the better off ball guard of the 2 than anything else) We also would get an athletic high IQ big and a serviceable g/f .
Not sure Charlotte would do this with Kemba not going out, & the questions of if he and Kyrie could coexist ,but if a 3rd team was involved sending Walker elsewhere it might.
I think the Cavs will do better than this really, but Zeller is underated and Monk could become an elite level player.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6926968
This works for all teams involved. I am sure it would never happen,too complicated, but would be nice if it did.

[Alatan]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6926968
This works for all teams involved. I am sure it would never happen,too complicated, but would be nice if it did.

I have never seen a trade this bad for the Suns.

[Jingles2]

Love and Shumpert for Wiggins, Dieng, and Aldrich

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycrryx3p