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JujitsuFlip · Post #1721 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:20 pm

https://andscape.com/features/dallas-mavericks-guard-kyrie-irving-learns-how-to-lead-a-shoe-brand-with-anta/

Its way down in the article but did you all know Kyrie signed LeVert to his shoe brand?

JujitsuFlip · Post #1722 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 4:03 am

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-sixers-sign-pete-nance-013217153.html

Good on Nance for signing with the 76ers, he'll probably be elevated and immediately see playing time with Drummond and Embiid out.

When he's down with Delaware, he'll see time with his former teammate, Brobley.

Edit: oh wow, Patrick McCaw is on Delaware too, forgot that dude even still hooped.

Post #1723 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:00 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/report-sixers-sign-pete-nance-013217153.html

Good on Nance for signing with the 76ers, he'll probably be elevated and immediately see playing time with Drummond and Embiid out.

When he's down with Delaware, he'll see time with his former teammate, Brobley.

Edit: oh wow, Patrick McCaw is on Delaware too, forgot that dude even still hooped.

I suspect Thor is a better option than Nance which is why the Cavs never offered him a two-way deal. That said, it would be great if Thor could get more minutes with Wade out so we don't need to do trial by fire when Allen or Mobley can't go for any reason. If Thor isn't better than Niang's 11th-15th minutes, he probably shouldn't be on the roster.

Post #1724 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:10 pm

It sure seems like Butler overplayed his hand by a wide margin. The Warriors, who were the team that made the most sense as a landing spot, are reportedly out.

JujitsuFlip · Post #1725 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:57 pm

jbk1234 wrote:It sure seems like Butler overplayed his hand by a wide margin. The Warriors, who were the team that made the most sense as a landing spot, are reportedly out.

I thought it was hilarious he said he'll play for any of the other 29 teams besides Miami lol

Post #1726 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:12 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:It sure seems like Butler overplayed his hand by a wide margin. The Warriors, who were the team that made the most sense as a landing spot, are reportedly out.
I thought it was hilarious he said he'll play for any of the other 29 teams besides Miami lol

There's a fine line between pressuring your team into giving you an ill-advised extension and scaring the other 29 teams off. He definitely crossed it.

JujitsuFlip · Post #1727 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:31 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:It sure seems like Butler overplayed his hand by a wide margin. The Warriors, who were the team that made the most sense as a landing spot, are reportedly out.
I thought it was hilarious he said he'll play for any of the other 29 teams besides Miami lol

There's a fine line between pressuring your team into giving you an ill-advised extension and scaring the other 29 teams off. He definitely crossed it.

How he exited the Wolves, 76ers, and to a lesser extent the Bulls would've already did that for me.

The Heat situation just confirms it.

Funny thing is, some sad team will sign him this summer, if he opts out.

Post #1728 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:35 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:I thought it was hilarious he said he'll play for any of the other 29 teams besides Miami lol

There's a fine line between pressuring your team into giving you an ill-advised extension and scaring the other 29 teams off. He definitely crossed it.
How he exited the Wolves, 76ers, and to a lesser extent the Bulls would've already did that for me.

The Heat situation just confirms it.

Funny thing is, some sad team will sign him this summer, if he opts out.

He'd be opting out of $52M. I'm not sure the math ends up working out for him.

mcfly1204 · Post #1729 » by **mcfly1204** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:42 pm

I honestly wish Butler were at a price point where we could make a move for him. He's the type of piece that could legitimately put us over the top. Is he a bit of a malcontent? Sure. Does he stretch the floor? Nope. Would he help give us an attitude and edge going into the Playoffs? Absolutely.

JujitsuFlip · Post #1730 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 8:43 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
There's a fine line between pressuring your team into giving you an ill-advised extension and scaring the other 29 teams off. He definitely crossed it.
How he exited the Wolves, 76ers, and to a lesser extent the Bulls would've already did that for me.

The Heat situation just confirms it.

Funny thing is, some sad team will sign him this summer, if he opts out.

He'd be opting out of $52M. I'm not sure the math ends up working out for him.

Idk if he cares tbh. It may be beyond the point of repair. They're taking $4 million from him with the 7 game suspension. He's played down effort wise in games this season + missed games.

Sometimes peace of mind is more important than money. Maybe someone bites next month and its moot.

toooskies · Post #1731 » by **toooskies** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 12:10 am

mcfly1204 wrote:I honestly wish Butler were at a price point where we could make a move for him. He's the type of piece that could legitimately put us over the top. Is he a bit of a malcontent? Sure. Does he stretch the floor? Nope. Would he help give us an attitude and edge going into the Playoffs? Absolutely.

From the offers I’ve seen around the trade board, the Cavs could absolutely put together a package with reasonable value, although I’m not sure that Miami would want what we’d offer. LeVert/Strus/Okoro/Niang for Butler/Love/Richardson/Burks works salary-wise, and the Cavs can add a 2031 1st, 2nds, and swaps along with Tyson, Jerome, and/or Merrill for added value.

Not sure that makes the Cavs better in the regular season, but it may optimize our playoff upside, depending on the particulars.

There are also 3-team options that could make sense if Miami wanted Ingram, Zion, LaVine, Fox, or some other available top-50 player for Butler.

afarmenian · Post #1732 » by **afarmenian** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:23 am

toooskies wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:I honestly wish Butler were at a price point where we could make a move for him. He's the type of piece that could legitimately put us over the top. Is he a bit of a malcontent? Sure. Does he stretch the floor? Nope. Would he help give us an attitude and edge going into the Playoffs? Absolutely.

From the offers I’ve seen around the trade board, the Cavs could absolutely put together a package with reasonable value, although I’m not sure that Miami would want what we’d offer. LeVert/Strus/Okoro/Niang for Butler/Love/Richardson/Burks works salary-wise, and the Cavs can add a 2031 1st, 2nds, and swaps along with Tyson, Jerome, and/or Merrill for added value.

Not sure that makes the Cavs better in the regular season, but it may optimize our playoff upside, depending on the particulars.

There are also 3-team options that could make sense if Miami wanted Ingram, Zion, LaVine, Fox, or some other available top-50 player for Butler.

Offfff 3 years ago Butler sure but man that kills our guard and wing depth. I think that's Lakers or Suns panic move that gets you older with nowhere to go after the honeymoon stage. Your bench is Wade Merril Jerome all tremendous injury concerns....you are basically all in this year not sure it's the right time for that

KuruptedCav · Post #1733 » by **KuruptedCav** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:48 am

No real interest in Butler. Last time a trade for an old star resulted in a ring was Clyde to Houston.

I’d expect the Cavs to hang out as a 3rd wheel on a trade facilitating with dynamic positive/neutral value contracts and siphoning value.

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JujitsuFlip · Post #1734 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:13 am

Yeah, count me out on a James Butler trade. Himmy Buckets has $48 million in salary... It would take Strus, Niang, Levert, and Tyson; that's an awful lot to surrender for a 35 year old rental.

toooskies · Post #1735 » by **toooskies** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:31 am

afarmenian wrote:
toooskies wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:I honestly wish Butler were at a price point where we could make a move for him. He's the type of piece that could legitimately put us over the top. Is he a bit of a malcontent? Sure. Does he stretch the floor? Nope. Would he help give us an attitude and edge going into the Playoffs? Absolutely.

From the offers I’ve seen around the trade board, the Cavs could absolutely put together a package with reasonable value, although I’m not sure that Miami would want what we’d offer. LeVert/Strus/Okoro/Niang for Butler/Love/Richardson/Burks works salary-wise, and the Cavs can add a 2031 1st, 2nds, and swaps along with Tyson, Jerome, and/or Merrill for added value.

Not sure that makes the Cavs better in the regular season, but it may optimize our playoff upside, depending on the particulars.

There are also 3-team options that could make sense if Miami wanted Ingram, Zion, LaVine, Fox, or some other available top-50 player for Butler.

Offfff 3 years ago Butler sure but man that kills our guard and wing depth. I think that's Lakers or Suns panic move that gets you older with nowhere to go after the honeymoon stage. Your bench is Wade Merril Jerome all tremendous injury concerns....you are basically all in this year not sure it's the right time for that

Depends on if Burks, Richardson, and Love have anything left in the tank— worse guys to have as 9th-12th men.

KuruptedCav wrote:No real interest in Butler. Last time a trade for an old star resulted in a ring was Clyde to Houston.

I’d expect the Cavs to hang out as a 3rd wheel on a trade facilitating with dynamic positive/neutral value contracts and siphoning value.

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Arguably the last time a trade for an old star ended in a title was Jrue last year.

JujitsuFlip wrote:Yeah, count me out on a James Butler trade. Himmy Buckets has $48 million in salary... It would take Strus, Niang, Levert, and Tyson; that's an awful lot to surrender for a 35 year old rental.

I doubt it’d be a rental, but if it were, that gets the Cavs out of the 2nd apron.

JujitsuFlip · Post #1736 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:14 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Yeah, count me out on a James Butler trade. Himmy Buckets has $48 million in salary... It would take Strus, Niang, Levert, and Tyson; that's an awful lot to surrender for a 35 year old rental.

I doubt it’d be a rental, but if it were, that gets the Cavs out of the 2nd apron.

If a rental it leaves them with...

Garland/CPJ
Mitchell/Merrill (re-signed)
Wade/Okoro
Mobley
Allen

Not worth the risk, especially with no draft pick and no cap space.

toooskies · Post #1737 » by **toooskies** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:29 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Yeah, count me out on a James Butler trade. Himmy Buckets has $48 million in salary... It would take Strus, Niang, Levert, and Tyson; that's an awful lot to surrender for a 35 year old rental.

I doubt it’d be a rental, but if it were, that gets the Cavs out of the 2nd apron.

If a rental it leaves them with...

Garland/CPJ
Mitchell/Merrill (re-signed)
Wade/Okoro
Mobley
Allen

Not worth the risk, especially with no draft pick and no cap space.

And likely Jerome, and there are plenty of backup bigs who sign for the minimum as long as they get a rotation spot. Maybe Nance? And maybe Bates or Travers are ready to be depth guys.

JonFromVA · Post #1738 » by **JonFromVA** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:35 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Yeah, count me out on a James Butler trade. Himmy Buckets has $48 million in salary... It would take Strus, Niang, Levert, and Tyson; that's an awful lot to surrender for a 35 year old rental.

And I can't help but mention, but LeVert in his 28 games has been just about as productive as Jimmy in his 22 games.

There may be a sell high opportunity for the Cavs at the deadline, but it's going to be super hard to mess with the chemistry and continuity of this team - especially mid season.

Not to mention, certain players are "Friends of Don" and other players are "Friends of Kenny/Koby" which will make them even more unlikely to be moved.

Post #1739 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 6:26 pm

I can't believe there are people who still want to trade for Butler after everything that's transpired over the last couple months and knowing he's going to force whoever trades for him to commit $100M to him at 37-38 years of age. I mean this is 4th team he's done this to and he's old now.

Everyone is assuming he's playing less inspired than usual in the regular season due to his contract situation, but no one knows how much of what we're witnessing is the result of age-related slippage. Trading for Butler seems like a catastrophically bad idea. A Haslemesque mistake if you will.

JujitsuFlip · Post #1740 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 6:38 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
I doubt it’d be a rental, but if it were, that gets the Cavs out of the 2nd apron.

If a rental it leaves them with...

Garland/CPJ
Mitchell/Merrill (re-signed)
Wade/Okoro
Mobley
Allen

Not worth the risk, especially with no draft pick and no cap space.

And likely Jerome, and there are plenty of backup bigs who sign for the minimum as long as they get a rotation spot. Maybe Nance? And maybe Bates or Travers are ready to be depth guys.

I'm not banking on TJ, since we don't have his full bird rights.