2022-23 Regular Season

[JonFromVA]

Nembhard or however its spelled, signed the second 2way, so the roster is at 17 with the cap hold for Sexton, he can sign his QO which would bring the roster to 18, then just have to get rid of one of Cedi, Windler, Stevens, Neto, or Wade. Probably have a couple Exhibit 10 contracts as well to reach the 20 man training camp roster limit.

The obvious choice to waive is Windler to me if it comes to that. Cedi would most likely net more in a trade but then a player/contract would have to come back so not sure that trading him solves anything unless player coming back can be bought out or waived. I don't see Wade being moved as he has been useful when given the opportunity, same with Stevens. Neto was just signed as our backup PG until Rubio is ready so he is here at least until then imo.

We'll be able to keep a deeper roster through training camp, so it's quite possible the roster will either sort itself out or Altman-Gansey will find a deal they want before they're forced to cut someone.

It may very well be Windler, but I'm presumably not the only one left on the planet holding out hope he can still find his shooting stroke and his confidence.

The Cavs FO tends to work as a team so it may be hard to tell, but I do wonder how much more say Mike Gansey will have in roster construction now that he's been named GM.

[toooskies]

Nembhard or however its spelled, signed the second 2way, so the roster is at 17 with the cap hold for Sexton, he can sign his QO which would bring the roster to 18, then just have to get rid of one of Cedi, Windler, Stevens, Neto, or Wade. Probably have a couple Exhibit 10 contracts as well to reach the 20 man training camp roster limit.

The obvious choice to waive is Windler to me if it comes to that. Cedi would most likely net more in a trade but then a player/contract would have to come back so not sure that trading him solves anything unless player coming back can be bought out or waived. I don't see Wade being moved as he has been useful when given the opportunity, same with Stevens. Neto was just signed as our backup PG until Rubio is ready so he is here at least until then imo.

We'll be able to keep a deeper roster through training camp, so it's quite possible the roster will either sort itself out or Altman-Gansey will find a deal they want before they're forced to cut someone.

It may very well be Windler, but I'm presumably not the only one left on the planet holding out hope he can still find his shooting stroke and his confidence.

The Cavs FO tends to work as a team so it may be hard to tell, but I do wonder how much more say Mike Gansey will have in roster construction now that he's been named GM.

It's less that there isn't hope for Windler and more that if we bring Sexton back, he's got a LOT of guys standing in the way of him getting playing time. Sexton, LeVert, Okoro, Agbaji, Markkanen, Osman, Stevens, Wade all ahead of him on the depth chart. Maybe he can leapfrog some of those guys with a strong camp, but he's also only slightly more than a year younger than Cedi.

The only way I really see him getting playing time is if we do away with tall-ball and use Markkanen and Wade mostly at the 4/5. And that still probably leaves him 3rd on the depth chart at SF.

[JonFromVA]

The obvious choice to waive is Windler to me if it comes to that. Cedi would most likely net more in a trade but then a player/contract would have to come back so not sure that trading him solves anything unless player coming back can be bought out or waived. I don't see Wade being moved as he has been useful when given the opportunity, same with Stevens. Neto was just signed as our backup PG until Rubio is ready so he is here at least until then imo.

We'll be able to keep a deeper roster through training camp, so it's quite possible the roster will either sort itself out or Altman-Gansey will find a deal they want before they're forced to cut someone.

It may very well be Windler, but I'm presumably not the only one left on the planet holding out hope he can still find his shooting stroke and his confidence.

The Cavs FO tends to work as a team so it may be hard to tell, but I do wonder how much more say Mike Gansey will have in roster construction now that he's been named GM.

It's less that there isn't hope for Windler and more that if we bring Sexton back, he's got a LOT of guys standing in the way of him getting playing time. Sexton, LeVert, Okoro, Agbaji, Markkanen, Osman, Stevens, Wade all ahead of him on the depth chart. Maybe he can leapfrog some of those guys with a strong camp, but he's also only slightly more than a year younger than Cedi.

The only way I really see him getting playing time is if we do away with tall-ball and use Markkanen and Wade mostly at the 4/5. And that still probably leaves him 3rd on the depth chart at SF.

I'm thinking more about skillset. Maybe after drafting Agbaji, the Cavs are ready to try to incorporate movement/screens in to their offense; but if Windler can turn that switch - perhaps he's the player who actually takes advantage of the opportunity?

It all depends on whether we ever do see the player we thought we drafted ...

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[toooskies]

Looking ahead a bit at 2023 and looking at the wing options that may be available in free agency now that most contracts are pretty much resolved:

• LeBron
• Wiggins
• Harrison Barnes
• GTJ
• Middleton (if he opts out)
• Jerami Grant
• Bojan Bogdanovic
• Will Barton
• Joe Ingles
• Dillon Brooks
• Cam Johnson (RFA)
• RJ Barrett (RFA)
• De'Andre Hunter (RFA)
• Tyler Herro (RFA)

The list matters mostly we have important cap questions next year that immediately impact what we do with Collin Sexton, and then Love/LeVert/Osman/Windler/Wade being free agents at the same time. Which guys from the above list are worth clearing cap space for (and letting most or all of Sexton/Love/Levert/etc walk this year and next)?

For me, it's just LeBron, Wiggins, and Middleton being worth clearing space for; mayyyybe Barrett or Herro join that list this year, but if they do they'll be retained. And LeBron is the only target from those three which we have an above average chance of acquiring relative to the market at large.

(I could be talked into signing both GTJ and Barnes over all our FAs, but would we be the highest bidder for both?)

Still my opinion that any situation where Sexton isn't re-signed is a move for LeBron in 2023.

[JonFromVA]

Looking ahead a bit at 2023 and looking at the wing options that may be available in free agency now that most contracts are pretty much resolved:

• LeBron
• Wiggins
• Harrison Barnes
• GTJ
• Middleton (if he opts out)
• Jerami Grant
• Bojan Bogdanovic
• Will Barton
• Joe Ingles
• Dillon Brooks
• Cam Johnson (RFA)
• RJ Barrett (RFA)
• De'Andre Hunter (RFA)
• Tyler Herro (RFA)

The list matters mostly we have important cap questions next year that immediately impact what we do with Collin Sexton, and then Love/LeVert/Osman/Windler/Wade being free agents at the same time. Which guys from the above list are worth clearing cap space for (and letting most or all of Sexton/Love/Levert/etc walk this year and next)?

For me, it's just LeBron, Wiggins, and Middleton being worth clearing space for; mayyyybe Barrett or Herro join that list this year, but if they do they'll be retained. And LeBron is the only target from those three which we have an above average chance of acquiring relative to the market at large.

(I could be talked into signing both GTJ and Barnes over all our FAs, but would we be the highest bidder for both?)

Still my opinion that any situation where Sexton isn't re-signed is a move for LeBron in 2023.

And even then, we got off contracts last time LeBron decided he'd return.

At the moment, I'm psyched to see what the players we've got can do and hopefully erasing some more question marks from what we know about this roster and our coaching staff.

[Revenged25]

Unless Sexton gets a massive overpay (more than $20 mil/yr), he gets hurt, and/or massively regresses, they should be able to trade him without having to attach anything to him so he won't actually hinder getting them contract wise.

[JujitsuFlip]

Unless Sexton gets a massive overpay (more than $20 mil/yr), he gets hurt, and/or massively regresses, they should be able to trade him without having to attach anything to him so he won't actually hinder getting them contract wise.

If he signs to play for the QO, then he can veto any trade this upcoming season, so Cavs would have to work with Klutch to send Sexton to a desired team/situation, couldn't just dump him anywhere they wanted.

[toooskies]

Unless Sexton gets a massive overpay (more than $20 mil/yr), he gets hurt, and/or massively regresses, they should be able to trade him without having to attach anything to him so he won't actually hinder getting them contract wise.

If he signs to play for the QO, then he can veto any trade this upcoming season, so Cavs would have to work with Klutch to send Sexton to a desired team/situation, couldn't just dump him anywhere they wanted.

If Sexton's on the QO, his salary expires at the end of the year and it's no different than letting him walk now in terms of 2023 free agency except we have his bird rights and can re-sign him if other plans fall through.

[Revenged25]

Unless Sexton gets a massive overpay (more than $20 mil/yr), he gets hurt, and/or massively regresses, they should be able to trade him without having to attach anything to him so he won't actually hinder getting them contract wise.

If he signs to play for the QO, then he can veto any trade this upcoming season, so Cavs would have to work with Klutch to send Sexton to a desired team/situation, couldn't just dump him anywhere they wanted.

If Sexton's on the QO, his salary expires at the end of the year and it's no different than letting him walk now in terms of 2023 free agency except we have his bird rights and can re-sign him if other plans fall through.

Yup, but I really doubt he plays for the QO. I think if anything he would look to sign a 3 year contract at the reduced rate rather than play on the QO. So he might be looking for a 5/100 mil contract like Allens, but the Cavs are only offering 5/80 for example, Sexton might just accept 3/50 instead so he gets guaranteed money but short enough that he could look to prove his value and get an even bigger extension sooner, especially with the salary cap expected to jump around that time.

[JonFromVA]

If he signs to play for the QO, then he can veto any trade this upcoming season, so Cavs would have to work with Klutch to send Sexton to a desired team/situation, couldn't just dump him anywhere they wanted.

If Sexton's on the QO, his salary expires at the end of the year and it's no different than letting him walk now in terms of 2023 free agency except we have his bird rights and can re-sign him if other plans fall through.

Yup, but I really doubt he plays for the QO. I think if anything he would look to sign a 3 year contract at the reduced rate rather than play on the QO. So he might be looking for a 5/100 mil contract like Allens, but the Cavs are only offering 5/80 for example, Sexton might just accept 3/50 instead so he gets guaranteed money but short enough that he could look to prove his value and get an even bigger extension sooner, especially with the salary cap expected to jump around that time.

The Cavs can also say "go find someone willing to pay you 3/50 and we'll be glad to match it".

As much as some of us would like to see Collin back on the team and continue to see where his career takes him; we've presumably traded for LeVert, drafted Ochai, and signed Rubio so we can deal with any outcome regarding Collin.

Meanwhile Collin's value just continues to drop.

It looks like the Mavs may only have $6.5M left to spend and SI is reporting they are uninterested in giving anything of value up for Collin. At best they would help us send him on his way to another team.

And to make matters worse, Collin can't exactly increase his value to other teams by working out in a gym.

So, unless Rich Paul can pull a rabbit out of his hat (Indiana?), Collin can take the QO or let the Cavs dictate terms.

[Revenged25]

If Sexton's on the QO, his salary expires at the end of the year and it's no different than letting him walk now in terms of 2023 free agency except we have his bird rights and can re-sign him if other plans fall through.

Yup, but I really doubt he plays for the QO. I think if anything he would look to sign a 3 year contract at the reduced rate rather than play on the QO. So he might be looking for a 5/100 mil contract like Allens, but the Cavs are only offering 5/80 for example, Sexton might just accept 3/50 instead so he gets guaranteed money but short enough that he could look to prove his value and get an even bigger extension sooner, especially with the salary cap expected to jump around that time.

The Cavs can also say "go find someone willing to pay you 3/50 and we'll be glad to match it".

As much as some of us would like to see Collin back on the team and continue to see where his career takes him; we've presumably traded for LeVert, drafted Ochai, and signed Rubio so we can deal with any outcome regarding Collin.

Meanwhile Collin's value just continues to drop.

It looks like the Mavs may only have $6.5M left to spend and SI is reporting they are uninterested in giving anything of value up for Collin. At best they would help us send him on his way to another team.

And to make matters worse, Collin can't exactly increase his value to other teams by working out in a gym.

So, unless Rich Paul can pull a rabbit out of his hat (Indiana?), Collin can take the QO or let the Cavs dictate terms.

If a team payed LeVert 17 mil, then paying Sexton that should be a no brainer considering that LeVert is a worse version of Sexton that even with 4 extra inches of height it doesn't translate to being better defensively than Sexton.

Ochai isn't close to being able to get his own shot like Sexton can and that's what the Cavs were desperately in need of.

Rubio helped somewhat with the loss of Sexton's ability to create for himself but they still had stagnant moments on offense that someone like Sexton would've solved.

Also the Mavs have nothing of value to give up without causing more issues with their team. They could definitely use someone like Sexton but they've blown all of their assets the past few years on moves that didn't work out. If the Mavs give up anything of value, which is really just DFS, then they create other issues with their roster.

Also how does Collin's value drop? God I can't wait for this all to be over, hopefully Sexton finds a team where the fans will actually appreciate him and he can shine.

[toooskies]

If Sexton's on the QO, his salary expires at the end of the year and it's no different than letting him walk now in terms of 2023 free agency except we have his bird rights and can re-sign him if other plans fall through.

Yup, but I really doubt he plays for the QO. I think if anything he would look to sign a 3 year contract at the reduced rate rather than play on the QO. So he might be looking for a 5/100 mil contract like Allens, but the Cavs are only offering 5/80 for example, Sexton might just accept 3/50 instead so he gets guaranteed money but short enough that he could look to prove his value and get an even bigger extension sooner, especially with the salary cap expected to jump around that time.

The Cavs can also say "go find someone willing to pay you 3/50 and we'll be glad to match it".

As much as some of us would like to see Collin back on the team and continue to see where his career takes him; we've presumably traded for LeVert, drafted Ochai, and signed Rubio so we can deal with any outcome regarding Collin.

Meanwhile Collin's value just continues to drop.

It looks like the Mavs may only have $6.5M left to spend and SI is reporting they are uninterested in giving anything of value up for Collin. At best they would help us send him on his way to another team.

And to make matters worse, Collin can't exactly increase his value to other teams by working out in a gym.

So, unless Rich Paul can pull a rabbit out of his hat (Indiana?), Collin can take the QO or let the Cavs dictate terms.

Our presumption, because there is literally no news other than Fedor reporting that the Cavs don't like Dallas's assets, is that Collin's value is dropping. For all we know he has an offer and both sides are keeping quiet until the deal can actually be signed so that they don't give the Cavs much time to deliberate. That explains the silence a lot better than a simple stalemate-- you'd see rumors floating from Shams or Woj. A team like Detroit or Indiana might sign him to that deal just because he's a young asset, as they're certainly still in the asset collection phases of their rebuilds, even though Mathurin and Ivey are presumably in the spot Sexton would fit.

Collin is cleared for all basketball activities, so he very much can do workouts for teams to see how much he's recovered from his surgery.

Dallas's trade assets aren't particularly good. They can't send a 1st until 2027. They probably aren't trading for Sexton to open another hole in their starting lineup by trading DFS. The most realistic deal is Bullock + a distant 1st, while including the Knicks in a deal to get matching salary for Brunson? It's not impressive, although you could see bringing in Bullock to be a mentor to Agbaji.

Moratorium ends at noon ET tomorrow, so we'll see what happens.

[JonFromVA]

Yup, but I really doubt he plays for the QO. I think if anything he would look to sign a 3 year contract at the reduced rate rather than play on the QO. So he might be looking for a 5/100 mil contract like Allens, but the Cavs are only offering 5/80 for example, Sexton might just accept 3/50 instead so he gets guaranteed money but short enough that he could look to prove his value and get an even bigger extension sooner, especially with the salary cap expected to jump around that time.

The Cavs can also say "go find someone willing to pay you 3/50 and we'll be glad to match it".

As much as some of us would like to see Collin back on the team and continue to see where his career takes him; we've presumably traded for LeVert, drafted Ochai, and signed Rubio so we can deal with any outcome regarding Collin.

Meanwhile Collin's value just continues to drop.

It looks like the Mavs may only have $6.5M left to spend and SI is reporting they are uninterested in giving anything of value up for Collin. At best they would help us send him on his way to another team.

And to make matters worse, Collin can't exactly increase his value to other teams by working out in a gym.

So, unless Rich Paul can pull a rabbit out of his hat (Indiana?), Collin can take the QO or let the Cavs dictate terms.

Our presumption, because there is literally no news other than Fedor reporting that the Cavs don't like Dallas's assets, is that Collin's value is dropping. For all we know he has an offer and both sides are keeping quiet until the deal can actually be signed so that they don't give the Cavs much time to deliberate. That explains the silence a lot better than a simple stalemate-- you'd see rumors floating from Shams or Woj. A team like Detroit or Indiana might sign him to that deal just because he's a young asset, as they're certainly still in the asset collection phases of their rebuilds, even though Mathurin and Ivey are presumably in the spot Sexton would fit.

Collin is cleared for all basketball activities, so he very much can do workouts for teams to see how much he's recovered from his surgery.

Dallas's trade assets aren't particularly good. They can't send a 1st until 2027. They probably aren't trading for Sexton to open another hole in their starting lineup by trading DFS. The most realistic deal is Bullock + a distant 1st, while including the Knicks in a deal to get matching salary for Brunson? It's not impressive, although you could see bringing in Bullock to be a mentor to Agbaji.

Moratorium ends at noon ET tomorrow, so we'll see what happens.

Ok, fair point, he could literally work out in a gym for another team, but I was more referring to what he's probably doing this Summer which is staying in shape, shooting shots in a gym and trying his best not to get injured. Could he workout for an interested team? Possibly play a simulated game like they do in a draft work-out? I suppose, but most free-agents sit on their hands, avoid injury, and wait for their agent to call. If there's a serious problem that wasn't divulged, they can always rescind the offer after they do his physical.

GM's have been very nice to each other recently regarding restricted free agents, but the Mavs are just the latest team to take a pass on paying Collin his "bag" AND sending something useful to the Cavs.

We do need to see what happens with Irving, KD, and Ayton but when the music stops it's looking more and more like there will be no chairs left for Collin.

[ijspeelman]

Ochai isn't close to being able to get his own shot like Sexton can and that's what the Cavs were desperately in need of.

I disagree with a lot of what was said, but especially the bolded. We need more players who can manufacture offense off the ball or who can use their on-ball skills to create offense for others. In theory, Sexton does the latter, but in the four years we have seen him on the Cavs he has not shown the vision or skill to get these passes to where they need to go.

That is why I prefer plays like this: https://youtu.be/5PiauqJgFG0?t=555

to plays like this: https://youtu.be/kU9-jziwCwA?t=427.

[Revenged25]

Ochai isn't close to being able to get his own shot like Sexton can and that's what the Cavs were desperately in need of.

I disagree with a lot of what was said, but especially the bolded. We need more players who can manufacture offense off the ball or who can use their on-ball skills to create offense for others. In theory, Sexton does the latter, but in the four years we have seen him on the Cavs he has not shown the vision or skill to get these passes to where they need to go.

That is why I prefer plays like this: https://youtu.be/5PiauqJgFG0?t=555

to plays like this: https://youtu.be/kU9-jziwCwA?t=427.

LoL completely different scenarios and possibilities. The LeVert "pass" should've been stolen and it was lucky it wasn't not to mention he had a completely clear view of where everyone was with him having control it for awhile before trying to make something happen while up 3.

With Sexton he got the ball on an inbound play, with short time left, while down 1, and unless he decided to take a midrange jumper there, which I think might've been the best option, there was no clear player open/available to even pass to. Like seriously, wtf. What did you want him to do with it? Literally everyone was covered tight and it wasn't until he had made the hard cut and ready to jump that Garland finally got open.

[ijspeelman]

Ochai isn't close to being able to get his own shot like Sexton can and that's what the Cavs were desperately in need of.

I disagree with a lot of what was said, but especially the bolded. We need more players who can manufacture offense off the ball or who can use their on-ball skills to create offense for others. In theory, Sexton does the latter, but in the four years we have seen him on the Cavs he has not shown the vision or skill to get these passes to where they need to go.

That is why I prefer plays like this: https://youtu.be/5PiauqJgFG0?t=555

to plays like this: https://youtu.be/kU9-jziwCwA?t=427.

LoL completely different scenarios and possibilities. The LeVert "pass" should've been stolen and it was lucky it wasn't not to mention he had a completely clear view of where everyone was with him having control it for awhile before trying to make something happen while up 3.

With Sexton he got the ball on an inbound play, with short time left, while down 1, and unless he decided to take a midrange jumper there, which I think might've been the best option, there was no clear player open/available to even pass to. Like seriously, wtf. What did you want him to do with it? Literally everyone was covered tight and it wasn't until he had made the hard cut and ready to jump that Garland finally got open.

I know I am nitpicking specific plays, but Garland was wide open for Sexton and there were 12 seconds left on the shot clock. As for LeVert, he probably could have passed earlier, but it was still a good pass (better one would have been a fake to Jarrett and then to Okoro in the corner, but that’s not really the passes LeVert is).

I am not trying to directly compare LeVert and Sexton. I am just showing which I prefer when the other team is loading up to keep you from scoring. Shooting into the defense is exactly what the defense wants whereas ball movement is exactly how to counter the double or loading up.

[Revenged25]

I disagree with a lot of what was said, but especially the bolded. We need more players who can manufacture offense off the ball or who can use their on-ball skills to create offense for others. In theory, Sexton does the latter, but in the four years we have seen him on the Cavs he has not shown the vision or skill to get these passes to where they need to go.

That is why I prefer plays like this: https://youtu.be/5PiauqJgFG0?t=555

to plays like this: https://youtu.be/kU9-jziwCwA?t=427.

LoL completely different scenarios and possibilities. The LeVert "pass" should've been stolen and it was lucky it wasn't not to mention he had a completely clear view of where everyone was with him having control it for awhile before trying to make something happen while up 3.

With Sexton he got the ball on an inbound play, with short time left, while down 1, and unless he decided to take a midrange jumper there, which I think might've been the best option, there was no clear player open/available to even pass to. Like seriously, wtf. What did you want him to do with it? Literally everyone was covered tight and it wasn't until he had made the hard cut and ready to jump that Garland finally got open.

I know I am nitpicking specific plays, but Garland was wide open for Sexton and there were 12 seconds left on the shot clock. As for LeVert, he probably could have passed earlier, but it was still a good pass (better one would have been a fake to Jarrett and then to Okoro in the corner, but that’s not really the passes LeVert is).

I am not trying to directly compare LeVert and Sexton. I am just showing which I prefer when the other team is loading up to keep you from scoring. Shooting into the defense is exactly what the defense wants whereas ball movement is exactly how to counter the double or loading up.

It was a bad pass that should've been stolen mid-air. Also he had full view of the court the entire time with the ball in his hands for much of it.

Sexton was moving quickly trying to get the inbound pass, even getting knocked over as they were motioning prior to the inbound pass to find an opening, then when he got it Garland was 100% covered and it wasn't until he was already committed to the course of action that Garland came open. That's not even to take into account there is no guarantee that even Garland would've seen someone come open and been able to make the pass considering there were multiple people within that short area. More than likely it was a horribly drawn up OOB play, which everyone was complaining about with JBB to start the season, where Sexton was supposed to get the ball and go for a bucket. He probably should've taken the midrange jumper after getting the ball and turning around with some space in front of him but he was probably thinking that at worst he could draw contact and get to the line, which early on the season was hard to do due to the points of emphasis that later got relaxed on.

Also huge difference, LeVert was in a situation where the Cavs were up 3 with over 40 seconds left, even if they blew the possession it didn't matter. Sexton was getting the ball on an inbound pass with less than 16 seconds left down by 1.

[jbk1234]

Yup, but I really doubt he plays for the QO. I think if anything he would look to sign a 3 year contract at the reduced rate rather than play on the QO. So he might be looking for a 5/100 mil contract like Allens, but the Cavs are only offering 5/80 for example, Sexton might just accept 3/50 instead so he gets guaranteed money but short enough that he could look to prove his value and get an even bigger extension sooner, especially with the salary cap expected to jump around that time.

The Cavs can also say "go find someone willing to pay you 3/50 and we'll be glad to match it".

As much as some of us would like to see Collin back on the team and continue to see where his career takes him; we've presumably traded for LeVert, drafted Ochai, and signed Rubio so we can deal with any outcome regarding Collin.

Meanwhile Collin's value just continues to drop.

It looks like the Mavs may only have $6.5M left to spend and SI is reporting they are uninterested in giving anything of value up for Collin. At best they would help us send him on his way to another team.

And to make matters worse, Collin can't exactly increase his value to other teams by working out in a gym.

So, unless Rich Paul can pull a rabbit out of his hat (Indiana?), Collin can take the QO or let the Cavs dictate terms.

If a team payed LeVert 17 mil, then paying Sexton that should be a no brainer considering that LeVert is a worse version of Sexton that even with 4 extra inches of height it doesn't translate to being better defensively than Sexton.

Ochai isn't close to being able to get his own shot like Sexton can and that's what the Cavs were desperately in need of.

Rubio helped somewhat with the loss of Sexton's ability to create for himself but they still had stagnant moments on offense that someone like Sexton would've solved.

Also the Mavs have nothing of value to give up without causing more issues with their team. They could definitely use someone like Sexton but they've blown all of their assets the past few years on moves that didn't work out. If the Mavs give up anything of value, which is really just DFS, then they create other issues with their roster.

Also how does Collin's value drop? God I can't wait for this all to be over, hopefully Sexton finds a team where the fans will actually appreciate him and he can shine.

First off, LeVert has demonstrated he could actually defend in the play-in games. Second, LeVert isn't worth his contract. It's expiring, so the Cavs are protected, but how unhappy would you be if we extended him for three years on that number? Finally, it was reported that the Cavs offered Sexton $51M over three years which equates to $17M per. He wants more. If it's not out there, that's not the fault of Cavs fans. That's the league's perception.

[ijspeelman]

It was a bad pass that should've been stolen mid-air. Also he had full view of the court the entire time with the ball in his hands for much of it.

Sexton was moving quickly trying to get the inbound pass, even getting knocked over as they were motioning prior to the inbound pass to find an opening, then when he got it Garland was 100% covered and it wasn't until he was already committed to the course of action that Garland came open. That's not even to take into account there is no guarantee that even Garland would've seen someone come open and been able to make the pass considering there were multiple people within that short area. More than likely it was a horribly drawn up OOB play, which everyone was complaining about with JBB to start the season, where Sexton was supposed to get the ball and go for a bucket. He probably should've taken the midrange jumper after getting the ball and turning around with some space in front of him but he was probably thinking that at worst he could draw contact and get to the line, which early on the season was hard to do due to the points of emphasis that later got relaxed on.

Also huge difference, LeVert was in a situation where the Cavs were up 3 with over 40 seconds left, even if they blew the possession it didn't matter. Sexton was getting the ball on an inbound pass with less than 16 seconds left down by 1.

Like I said, I am focusing less on the players in the play and more what is done with the ball. I would rather someone have the versatility of using their scoring to create open looks for others. In both situations, passing was available and was ultimately the better option.

A scoring attempt, in a vacuum, is neither good or bad. The context around that scoring attempt is what gives it value. Driving into multiple defenders and shooting or getting double-teamed at the perimeter and shooting are near-equal low efficiency plays especially when there are far more effective options available.

This is why I believe this team does not need more players who can manufacture their own shot, but instead those who can manufacture shots for others using their on-ball and off-ball skills.

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The Cavs can also say "go find someone willing to pay you 3/50 and we'll be glad to match it".

As much as some of us would like to see Collin back on the team and continue to see where his career takes him; we've presumably traded for LeVert, drafted Ochai, and signed Rubio so we can deal with any outcome regarding Collin.

Meanwhile Collin's value just continues to drop.

It looks like the Mavs may only have $6.5M left to spend and SI is reporting they are uninterested in giving anything of value up for Collin. At best they would help us send him on his way to another team.

And to make matters worse, Collin can't exactly increase his value to other teams by working out in a gym.

So, unless Rich Paul can pull a rabbit out of his hat (Indiana?), Collin can take the QO or let the Cavs dictate terms.

If a team payed LeVert 17 mil, then paying Sexton that should be a no brainer considering that LeVert is a worse version of Sexton that even with 4 extra inches of height it doesn't translate to being better defensively than Sexton.

Ochai isn't close to being able to get his own shot like Sexton can and that's what the Cavs were desperately in need of.

Rubio helped somewhat with the loss of Sexton's ability to create for himself but they still had stagnant moments on offense that someone like Sexton would've solved.

Also the Mavs have nothing of value to give up without causing more issues with their team. They could definitely use someone like Sexton but they've blown all of their assets the past few years on moves that didn't work out. If the Mavs give up anything of value, which is really just DFS, then they create other issues with their roster.

Also how does Collin's value drop? God I can't wait for this all to be over, hopefully Sexton finds a team where the fans will actually appreciate him and he can shine.

First off, LeVert has demonstrated he could actually defend in the play-in games. Second, LeVert isn't worth his contract. It's expiring, so the Cavs are protected, but how unhappy would you be if we extended him for three years on that number? Finally, it was reported that the Cavs offered Sexton $51M over three years which equates to $17M per. He wants more. If it's not out there, that's not the fault of Cavs fans. That's the league's perception.

You're basing LeVert's ability to guard on a two-game sample? Can I interest you in an 11-game sample from Sexton where his defense was significantly improved from his previous career performance?

Also, do you have a source on the Cavs' offer?