Trade Ideas

[JujitsuFlip]

I would encourage you to listen to entire presser. Either he's an exceptional and elaborate story teller, or there's miles of distance between where the players/organization are at, and what's getting pushed out on social media.

Not directed at you jbk but since this is where some of the conversation has taken place, i figured i would put it here.

Finally sat down and watched Koby's presser.

I will say, when he's talking about cores and saying 2 years, i disagree. Allen and Mobley have been together 3 years and Garland and Allen have been together 4 years. I know he's saying Garland and Mitchell is only 2 years but doesn't match up to the examples he was comparing to. Also, it is beneficial for him to say 2 years vs 3 or 4, for his own job security.

It is comical to me that Koby can say on one hand that Mobley was the best player on the floor in the game 5 elimination game. Then on the other hand say there is no fit issue. Like bro, zoom out, Mobley at the 5, not just during injuries is the path forward.

Honestly, the vibe i get is it was probably player influenced but I think Dan influenced it too, when it came to letting jb go. If it were up to Koby, without outside opinions/voices, i think jb woulda been the Cavs head coach for next season.

I do like some of the stuff he said towards the end. Using the depth of the roster over 82 games, aka longer regular season rotations. Eliminating post all star break collapses the past 3 seasons aka less minutes on guys to hopefully give them a shot to be healthy. Yeah, jb got himself fired by being stubborn with short rotations. I 100% believe the rumor Koby chewed him out. If jb wasn't his friend and Bernie wasn't his colleague, jb woulda been gone sooner. Shame on Koby, why ya can't be friends with the people you manage, clouds your judgement.

I think 2 years is fair as that's how long Mitchell has been here. Allen was only here for half a season, and Sexton was still lead guard if you're going back that far, so I think counting that season is kind of silly. But even if you want to count Mobley's rookie year, that's a pretty good three year run for Garland, Mobley, and Allen. Play-in, playoffs, and 2nd round. I honestly think that if Allen's rib doesn't get splintered he would've been too much for Horford and we'd be playing in the ECF right now.

I'm not 100% against trading any of them, but I'm not selling low and diluting talent. The Wolves are currently in the WCF with the two 7 footers and they're playing the Mavs who start two ball dominant scorers both of whom are defensive liabilities. If the right offer isn't out there, I'd run it back under a new coach.

Playing 51 games of a 72 game season is not "half a season".

We'll never know but if Mitchell still ultimately goes down, i don't envision the Cavs beating the C's.

Those are two very very very different situations and you know this.

One of the Wolves 7 footers is shooting 41.6% from deep on 5.5 attemps per game. That is the exact archetype needed next to Mobley, not some guy of Rudy's archetype aka Allen.

Then for the Mavs say Ky and Mitchell cancel each other out. Luka is a superior scorer, facilitator, and rebounder than Garland... That is before I even mention that he's 6'7" 230 LB. So yes if you put that guy in the back court with Mitchell it will produce very different results than 6 foot 175 lb Garland.

Furthermore, the issue is compounded because the Cavs have BOTH of these conundrums simultaneously where the Mavs and Wolves just have one.

Find me a way to get KAT for Garland and Luka for Allen then i agree with you that a team of Luka, Mitchell, pick #20, KAT, and Mobley should be ran back with a new coach lol otherwise fire Koby and modernize the damn roster.

[jbk1234]

Not directed at you jbk but since this is where some of the conversation has taken place, i figured i would put it here.

Finally sat down and watched Koby's presser.

I will say, when he's talking about cores and saying 2 years, i disagree. Allen and Mobley have been together 3 years and Garland and Allen have been together 4 years. I know he's saying Garland and Mitchell is only 2 years but doesn't match up to the examples he was comparing to. Also, it is beneficial for him to say 2 years vs 3 or 4, for his own job security.

It is comical to me that Koby can say on one hand that Mobley was the best player on the floor in the game 5 elimination game. Then on the other hand say there is no fit issue. Like bro, zoom out, Mobley at the 5, not just during injuries is the path forward.

Honestly, the vibe i get is it was probably player influenced but I think Dan influenced it too, when it came to letting jb go. If it were up to Koby, without outside opinions/voices, i think jb woulda been the Cavs head coach for next season.

I do like some of the stuff he said towards the end. Using the depth of the roster over 82 games, aka longer regular season rotations. Eliminating post all star break collapses the past 3 seasons aka less minutes on guys to hopefully give them a shot to be healthy. Yeah, jb got himself fired by being stubborn with short rotations. I 100% believe the rumor Koby chewed him out. If jb wasn't his friend and Bernie wasn't his colleague, jb woulda been gone sooner. Shame on Koby, why ya can't be friends with the people you manage, clouds your judgement.

I think 2 years is fair as that's how long Mitchell has been here. Allen was only here for half a season, and Sexton was still lead guard if you're going back that far, so I think counting that season is kind of silly. But even if you want to count Mobley's rookie year, that's a pretty good three year run for Garland, Mobley, and Allen. Play-in, playoffs, and 2nd round. I honestly think that if Allen's rib doesn't get splintered he would've been too much for Horford and we'd be playing in the ECF right now.

I'm not 100% against trading any of them, but I'm not selling low and diluting talent. The Wolves are currently in the WCF with the two 7 footers and they're playing the Mavs who start two ball dominant scorers both of whom are defensive liabilities. If the right offer isn't out there, I'd run it back under a new coach.

Playing 51 games of a 72 game season is not "half a season".

We'll never know but if Mitchell still ultimately goes down, i don't envision the Cavs beating the C's.

Those are two very very very different situations and you know this.

One of the Wolves 7 footers is shooting 41.6% from deep on 5.5 attemps per game. That is the exact archetype needed next to Mobley, not some guy of Rudy's archetype aka Allen.

Then for the Mavs say Ky and Mitchell cancel each other out. Luka is a superior scorer, facilitator, and rebounder than Garland... That is before I even mention that he's 6'7" 230 LB. So yes if you put that guy in the back court with Mitchell it will produce very different results than 6 foot 175 lb Garland.

Furthermore, the issue is compounded because the Cavs have BOTH of these conundrums simultaneously where the Mavs and Wolves just have one.

Find me a way to get Garland for KAT and Allen for Luka and then i agree with you that a team of Luka, Mitchell, pick #20, KAT, and Mobley should be ran back with a new coach lol otherwise fire Koby and modernize the damn roster.

There are players I'd trade Garland and Allen for, but if they aren't being offered, I don't have a lot of interest in acquiring worse players who form a more traditional lineup due to fit. That team won't be as good. Allen was a key player in Games 1 & 2 against the Magic. Not sure we win them both without him.

[JujitsuFlip]

I think 2 years is fair as that's how long Mitchell has been here. Allen was only here for half a season, and Sexton was still lead guard if you're going back that far, so I think counting that season is kind of silly. But even if you want to count Mobley's rookie year, that's a pretty good three year run for Garland, Mobley, and Allen. Play-in, playoffs, and 2nd round. I honestly think that if Allen's rib doesn't get splintered he would've been too much for Horford and we'd be playing in the ECF right now.

I'm not 100% against trading any of them, but I'm not selling low and diluting talent. The Wolves are currently in the WCF with the two 7 footers and they're playing the Mavs who start two ball dominant scorers both of whom are defensive liabilities. If the right offer isn't out there, I'd run it back under a new coach.

Playing 51 games of a 72 game season is not "half a season".

We'll never know but if Mitchell still ultimately goes down, i don't envision the Cavs beating the C's.

Those are two very very very different situations and you know this.

One of the Wolves 7 footers is shooting 41.6% from deep on 5.5 attemps per game. That is the exact archetype needed next to Mobley, not some guy of Rudy's archetype aka Allen.

Then for the Mavs say Ky and Mitchell cancel each other out. Luka is a superior scorer, facilitator, and rebounder than Garland... That is before I even mention that he's 6'7" 230 LB. So yes if you put that guy in the back court with Mitchell it will produce very different results than 6 foot 175 lb Garland.

Furthermore, the issue is compounded because the Cavs have BOTH of these conundrums simultaneously where the Mavs and Wolves just have one.

Find me a way to get Garland for KAT and Allen for Luka and then i agree with you that a team of Luka, Mitchell, pick #20, KAT, and Mobley should be ran back with a new coach lol otherwise fire Koby and modernize the damn roster.

There are players I'd trade Garland and Allen for, but if they aren't being offered, I don't have a lot of interest in acquiring worse players who form a more traditional lineup due to fit. That team won't be as good.

I mean, I'm not saying trade Allen for James Johnson and Garland for Svi Mykhailiuk.

But just retaining talent for talent sake with zero regard to fit reminds me a lot of the Pistons drafting 3 PGs in a row in the lottery and the 76ers drafting 3 centers in a row in the lottery. Or hell even the Wolves drafting 3 PGs and a SG in the first round of one draft. Even look at the Suns when they acquired Bledsoe and IT in the same summer with Dragic already on the roster.

At some point, fit has to matter.

Koby is talking about Jokic/Murray, Brown/Tatum, and Giannis/Middleton.

This "core" started with Allen and Garland 4 seasons ago in 2020-21 season. I understand Koby wants to half it for his own benefit. He's calling out duos in his comparison. The Bucks had a rotating 3rd and 4th guy. The Celtics had a rotating 3rd, 4th, and 5th guy. The Nuggets never really had a solid 3rd, maybe Gordon now?

The whole point of focusing in on Garland and Mitchell and saying this core is in year 2 is comical. Try, doubling that Koby.

[jbk1234]

Playing 51 games of a 72 game season is not "half a season".

We'll never know but if Mitchell still ultimately goes down, i don't envision the Cavs beating the C's.

Those are two very very very different situations and you know this.

One of the Wolves 7 footers is shooting 41.6% from deep on 5.5 attemps per game. That is the exact archetype needed next to Mobley, not some guy of Rudy's archetype aka Allen.

Then for the Mavs say Ky and Mitchell cancel each other out. Luka is a superior scorer, facilitator, and rebounder than Garland... That is before I even mention that he's 6'7" 230 LB. So yes if you put that guy in the back court with Mitchell it will produce very different results than 6 foot 175 lb Garland.

Furthermore, the issue is compounded because the Cavs have BOTH of these conundrums simultaneously where the Mavs and Wolves just have one.

Find me a way to get Garland for KAT and Allen for Luka and then i agree with you that a team of Luka, Mitchell, pick #20, KAT, and Mobley should be ran back with a new coach lol otherwise fire Koby and modernize the damn roster.

There are players I'd trade Garland and Allen for, but if they aren't being offered, I don't have a lot of interest in acquiring worse players who form a more traditional lineup due to fit. That team won't be as good.

I mean, I'm not saying trade Allen for James Johnson and Garland for Svi Mykhailiuk.

But just retaining talent for talent sake with zero regard to fit reminds me a lot of the Pistons drafting 3 PGs in a row in the lottery and the 76ers drafting 3 centers in a row in the lottery. Or hell even the Wolves drafting 3 PGs and a SG in the first round of one draft. Even look at the Suns when they acquired Bledsoe and IT in the same summer with Dragic already on the roster.

At some point, fit has to matter.

Koby is talking about Jokic/Murray, Brown/Tatum, and Giannis/Middleton.

This "core" started with Allen and Garland 4 seasons ago in 2020-21 season. I understand Koby wants to half it for his own benefit. He's calling out duos in his comparison. The Bucks had a rotating 3rd and 4th guy. The Celtics had a rotating 3rd, 4th, and 5th guy. The Nuggets never really had a solid 3rd, maybe Gordon now?

The whole point of focusing in on Garland and Mitchell and saying this core is in year 2 is comical. Try, doubling that Koby.

Again, Sexton was the lead guard 4 years ago and we were actually bringing Allen off the bench behind Drummond. Allen started less than half the games that year. If you want to include that season, have at it, but it's not a position I take seriously.

[JujitsuFlip]

There are players I'd trade Garland and Allen for, but if they aren't being offered, I don't have a lot of interest in acquiring worse players who form a more traditional lineup due to fit. That team won't be as good.

I mean, I'm not saying trade Allen for James Johnson and Garland for Svi Mykhailiuk.

But just retaining talent for talent sake with zero regard to fit reminds me a lot of the Pistons drafting 3 PGs in a row in the lottery and the 76ers drafting 3 centers in a row in the lottery. Or hell even the Wolves drafting 3 PGs and a SG in the first round of one draft. Even look at the Suns when they acquired Bledsoe and IT in the same summer with Dragic already on the roster.

At some point, fit has to matter.

Koby is talking about Jokic/Murray, Brown/Tatum, and Giannis/Middleton.

This "core" started with Allen and Garland 4 seasons ago in 2020-21 season. I understand Koby wants to half it for his own benefit. He's calling out duos in his comparison. The Bucks had a rotating 3rd and 4th guy. The Celtics had a rotating 3rd, 4th, and 5th guy. The Nuggets never really had a solid 3rd, maybe Gordon now?

The whole point of focusing in on Garland and Mitchell and saying this core is in year 2 is comical. Try, doubling that Koby.

Again, Sexton was the lead guard 4 years ago and we were actually bringing Allen off the bench behind Drummond. Allen started less than half the games that year. If you want to include that season, have at it, but it's not a position I take seriously.

Allen started 40 games for the Cavs out of 72. He played 51 games of the 72. He was on the team for 60 of the 72 games.

I don't take a position of 2 years seriously

Either way we gotta see who they take with #20. We gotta see if Mitchell extends then if he does if Rich Paul does his snake act. We gotta see how they use the MLE. We gotta see what happens with Okoro and Emoni's RFA. We gotta see if any trades are made, even just of the Niang sort. We gotta see who they hire as the next coach.

[JonFromVA]

This team's biggest problem by a country mile is they couldn't stay healthy, and it's become such a common thing I'm not sure they can fix it; but of course they should try. That may require changes to more than just the coach, unless JBB wasn't even listing to the head trainer sitting on the bench with him.

But I can't imagine what the training staff or coach can do to prevent Garland from taking an elbow in his eye or jaw other than to ask him to stay out of the paint, not try to fight through screens, and avoid contact at all costs. Admittedly we can do some things to lower his risk.

[axeman23]

Cavs definitely ask for Whitmore and Eason before Green. Green has shown for three years that he's a volume guy but not efficient, even in the context of a pretty good team otherwise. He can be offloaded to Detroit or Brooklyn or Utah in some other deal.

I think you off load him when the deal is consummated, or don't make the deal at all. It's his last year on a rookie contract.

You probably trade Green first. Offloading him for a pick in this draft is probably the best way to save some face.

Mitchell to the Rockets, Green to Detroit, 3 and 5 (Risacher and Knecht) to Cavs, flesh out from there? I can dream...

[axeman23]

I mean, I'm not saying trade Allen for James Johnson and Garland for Svi Mykhailiuk.

But just retaining talent for talent sake with zero regard to fit reminds me a lot of the Pistons drafting 3 PGs in a row in the lottery and the 76ers drafting 3 centers in a row in the lottery. Or hell even the Wolves drafting 3 PGs and a SG in the first round of one draft. Even look at the Suns when they acquired Bledsoe and IT in the same summer with Dragic already on the roster.

At some point, fit has to matter.

Koby is talking about Jokic/Murray, Brown/Tatum, and Giannis/Middleton.

This "core" started with Allen and Garland 4 seasons ago in 2020-21 season. I understand Koby wants to half it for his own benefit. He's calling out duos in his comparison. The Bucks had a rotating 3rd and 4th guy. The Celtics had a rotating 3rd, 4th, and 5th guy. The Nuggets never really had a solid 3rd, maybe Gordon now?

The whole point of focusing in on Garland and Mitchell and saying this core is in year 2 is comical. Try, doubling that Koby.

Again, Sexton was the lead guard 4 years ago and we were actually bringing Allen off the bench behind Drummond. Allen started less than half the games that year. If you want to include that season, have at it, but it's not a position I take seriously.

Allen started 40 games for the Cavs out of 72. He played 51 games of the 72. He was on the team for 60 of the 72 games.

I don't take a position of 2 years seriously

Either way we gotta see who they take with #20. We gotta see if Mitchell extends then if he does if Rich Paul does his snake act. We gotta see how they use the MLE. We gotta see what happens with Okoro and Emoni's RFA. We gotta see if any trades are made, even just of the Niang sort. We gotta see who they hire as the next coach.

Why is it a "snake act" by Paul to do the best thing for his client? Players tire of being cheerleaders to the Donovan Mitchell Show! I expect (and hope) Mobley's agent will ALSO be applying pressure to ensure he is seen as more than Mitchell's garbage man and gets HIS due, as well. We had 2 of the 3 closest games of the Celtics series (including the closest BY FAR!) with Mitchell in street clothes, yet all we hear about is the intrepid Donovan and his Washington Generals supporting cast...

[JujitsuFlip]

Again, Sexton was the lead guard 4 years ago and we were actually bringing Allen off the bench behind Drummond. Allen started less than half the games that year. If you want to include that season, have at it, but it's not a position I take seriously.

Allen started 40 games for the Cavs out of 72. He played 51 games of the 72. He was on the team for 60 of the 72 games.

I don't take a position of 2 years seriously

Either way we gotta see who they take with #20. We gotta see if Mitchell extends then if he does if Rich Paul does his snake act. We gotta see how they use the MLE. We gotta see what happens with Okoro and Emoni's RFA. We gotta see if any trades are made, even just of the Niang sort. We gotta see who they hire as the next coach.

Why is it a "snake act" by Paul to do the best thing for his client? Players tire of being cheerleaders to the Donovan Mitchell Show! I expect (and hope) Mobley's agent will ALSO be applying pressure to ensure he is seen as more than Mitchell's garbage man and gets HIS due, as well. We had 2 of the 3 closest games of the Celtics series (including the closest BY FAR!) with Mitchell in street clothes, yet all we hear about is the intrepid Donovan and his Washington Generals supporting cast...

If Mitchell extends and Garland wants out, then by all means Rich Paul should do his job. However, if Mitchell extends and Garland is indifferent and Rich Paul is leaking stuff to the media to try and get Garland traded... No i don't think that is good for anyone. Garland had a down year, so his value took a hit, it doesn't need to be any lower.

[axeman23]

Allen started 40 games for the Cavs out of 72. He played 51 games of the 72. He was on the team for 60 of the 72 games.

I don't take a position of 2 years seriously

Either way we gotta see who they take with #20. We gotta see if Mitchell extends then if he does if Rich Paul does his snake act. We gotta see how they use the MLE. We gotta see what happens with Okoro and Emoni's RFA. We gotta see if any trades are made, even just of the Niang sort. We gotta see who they hire as the next coach.

Why is it a "snake act" by Paul to do the best thing for his client? Players tire of being cheerleaders to the Donovan Mitchell Show! I expect (and hope) Mobley's agent will ALSO be applying pressure to ensure he is seen as more than Mitchell's garbage man and gets HIS due, as well. We had 2 of the 3 closest games of the Celtics series (including the closest BY FAR!) with Mitchell in street clothes, yet all we hear about is the intrepid Donovan and his Washington Generals supporting cast...

If Mitchell extends and Garland wants out, then by all means Rich Paul should do his job. However, if Mitchell extends and Garland is indifferent and Rich Paul is leaking stuff to the media to try and get Garland traded... No i don't think that is good for anyone. Garland had a down year, so his value took a hit, it doesn't need to be any lower.

I don't neccessarily disagree, but we all know WHY (among other things, sure...) Garland regressed/Mobley stagnated and the locker-room has APPARENTLY become more divided...

[jbk1234]

Why is it a "snake act" by Paul to do the best thing for his client? Players tire of being cheerleaders to the Donovan Mitchell Show! I expect (and hope) Mobley's agent will ALSO be applying pressure to ensure he is seen as more than Mitchell's garbage man and gets HIS due, as well. We had 2 of the 3 closest games of the Celtics series (including the closest BY FAR!) with Mitchell in street clothes, yet all we hear about is the intrepid Donovan and his Washington Generals supporting cast...

If Mitchell extends and Garland wants out, then by all means Rich Paul should do his job. However, if Mitchell extends and Garland is indifferent and Rich Paul is leaking stuff to the media to try and get Garland traded... No i don't think that is good for anyone. Garland had a down year, so his value took a hit, it doesn't need to be any lower.

I don't neccessarily disagree, but we all know WHY (among other things, sure...) Garland regressed/Mobley stagnated and the locker-room has APPARENTLY become more divided...

Garland was injured, lost 12lbs midseason, returned during the toughest part of the schedule, and came back to a roster that didn't have any of Mitchell, Strus, Wade, or Mobley healthy and playing. Part of the reason I'm okay with JB getting fired is that he got a good look at what Niang looked like against playoff teams in March. He got a good look at how limited Okoro was offensively as a starter against playoff teams in March. He got a good look at how difficult it was for Merrill to get his shot off against playoff teams in March.

None of that really seemed to inform his thinking heading into the postseason. It took until Game 7 of the Magic series for him to run with a 1 big lineup.

[toooskies]

Why is it a "snake act" by Paul to do the best thing for his client? Players tire of being cheerleaders to the Donovan Mitchell Show! I expect (and hope) Mobley's agent will ALSO be applying pressure to ensure he is seen as more than Mitchell's garbage man and gets HIS due, as well. We had 2 of the 3 closest games of the Celtics series (including the closest BY FAR!) with Mitchell in street clothes, yet all we hear about is the intrepid Donovan and his Washington Generals supporting cast...

If Mitchell extends and Garland wants out, then by all means Rich Paul should do his job. However, if Mitchell extends and Garland is indifferent and Rich Paul is leaking stuff to the media to try and get Garland traded... No i don't think that is good for anyone. Garland had a down year, so his value took a hit, it doesn't need to be any lower.

I don't neccessarily disagree, but we all know WHY (among other things, sure...) Garland regressed/Mobley stagnated and the locker-room has APPARENTLY become more divided...

Mobley stagnating is a false narrative. He got better at just about everything, he just played fewer minutes per game, mostly due to injury restrictions.

[JonFromVA]

All the noise about teams calling the Cavs is because they hope that Altman is desperate and they can rip him off.

[JujitsuFlip]

All the noise about teams calling the Cavs is because they hope that Altman is desperate and they can rip him off.

All they gotta do is pick Ainge's brain, he seems to have the blueprint on how to rip Koby off.

[axeman23]

All the noise about teams calling the Cavs is because they hope that Altman is desperate and they can rip him off.

All they gotta do is pick Ainge's brain, he seems to have the blueprint on how to rip Koby off.

"So, Koby! I've got this Lagavulin, and I'll be DAMNED if I can find these tasting notes! Would you mind...."

[jbk1234]

All the noise about teams calling the Cavs is because they hope that Altman is desperate and they can rip him off.

This was my fear, but the reality is that OKC is the only potential trade partner better positioned to run it back than us and that's going to matter as the offseason progresses the available avenues for improving their teams start to winnow.

[JonFromVA]

All the noise about teams calling the Cavs is because they hope that Altman is desperate and they can rip him off.

This was my fear, but the reality is that OKC is the only potential trade partner better positioned to run it back than us and that's going to matter as the offseason progresses the available avenues for improving their teams start to winnow.

I'm sure the Thunder would like Allen or someone like him to help protect Holmgren, but they don't have to give up a useful roster piece to fill that hole when they're flush with future picks. They may want to do something about Giddey and apparently Altman liked Dieng and a tall PG and a tall developmental wing could be tempting if not quite what we need to fix our roster.

The Pels are likely our best bet given the relationship between Griffin and Altman, their desperation level to improve is likely similar to ours, and they have to do something about Ingram.

[jbk1234]

All the noise about teams calling the Cavs is because they hope that Altman is desperate and they can rip him off.

This was my fear, but the reality is that OKC is the only potential trade partner better positioned to run it back than us and that's going to matter as the offseason progresses the available avenues for improving their teams start to winnow.

I'm sure the Thunder would like Allen or someone like him to help protect Holmgren, but they don't have to give up a useful roster piece to fill that hole when they're flush with future picks. They may want to do something about Giddey and apparently Altman liked Dieng and a tall PG and a tall developmental wing could be tempting if not quite what we need to fix our roster.

The Pels are likely our best bet given the relationship between Griffin and Altman, their desperation level to improve is likely similar to ours, and they have to do something about Ingram.

Right now, teams are looking to the draft, free agency, and other *cheaper* trades to fill holes. Everyone is imagining best case scenario outcomes. The young guys all extend on team-friendly deals. You land your free agent target on the contract you want. The Hawks trade you Murray for filler and a couple of protected picks. When those things don't happen, and the roster problems still exist, things will get real.

[JonFromVA]

This was my fear, but the reality is that OKC is the only potential trade partner better positioned to run it back than us and that's going to matter as the offseason progresses the available avenues for improving their teams start to winnow.

I'm sure the Thunder would like Allen or someone like him to help protect Holmgren, but they don't have to give up a useful roster piece to fill that hole when they're flush with future picks. They may want to do something about Giddey and apparently Altman liked Dieng and a tall PG and a tall developmental wing could be tempting if not quite what we need to fix our roster.

The Pels are likely our best bet given the relationship between Griffin and Altman, their desperation level to improve is likely similar to ours, and they have to do something about Ingram.

Right now, teams are looking to the draft, free agency, and other *cheaper* trades to fill holes. Everyone is imagining best case scenario outcomes. The young guys all extend on team-friendly deals. You land your free agent target on the contract you want. The Hawks trade you Murray for filler and a couple of protected picks. When those things don't happen, and the roster problems still exist, things will get real.

It's a good thing that other team's have interest in our players, but for instance; if the Thunder were willing to put Chet or JWill on the market for a win now piece to push them over the top - it's likely a lot of ears perk up around the league.

[jbk1234]

I'm sure the Thunder would like Allen or someone like him to help protect Holmgren, but they don't have to give up a useful roster piece to fill that hole when they're flush with future picks. They may want to do something about Giddey and apparently Altman liked Dieng and a tall PG and a tall developmental wing could be tempting if not quite what we need to fix our roster.

The Pels are likely our best bet given the relationship between Griffin and Altman, their desperation level to improve is likely similar to ours, and they have to do something about Ingram.

Right now, teams are looking to the draft, free agency, and other *cheaper* trades to fill holes. Everyone is imagining best case scenario outcomes. The young guys all extend on team-friendly deals. You land your free agent target on the contract you want. The Hawks trade you Murray for filler and a couple of protected picks. When those things don't happen, and the roster problems still exist, things will get real.

It's a good thing that other team's have interest in our players, but for instance; if the Thunder were willing to put Chet or JWill on the market for a win now piece to push them over the top - it's likely a lot of ears perk up around the league.

There's a 0.0% chance they make Chet available. Maybe a .01% chance they make JWill available.