Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

Right now, teams are looking to the draft, free agency, and other *cheaper* trades to fill holes. Everyone is imagining best case scenario outcomes. The young guys all extend on team-friendly deals. You land your free agent target on the contract you want. The Hawks trade you Murray for filler and a couple of protected picks. When those things don't happen, and the roster problems still exist, things will get real.

It's a good thing that other team's have interest in our players, but for instance; if the Thunder were willing to put Chet or JWill on the market for a win now piece to push them over the top - it's likely a lot of ears perk up around the league.

There's a 0.0% chance they make Chet available. Maybe a .01% chance they make JWill available.

Then what would you want from them besides picks we ship off to another team for players we can use?

Loose change, undesirables, and guys with one foot out the door... of course that's what other teams want to give up for our previously untouchable players ...

But a win now trade is what I said... they'd have to believe they've were optimizing SGA's chance of winning them a championship and if one of their young guys isn't going to be good enough fast enough than trading one of them could be justified.

Not that I see us invoked in anything like that.

[jbk1234]

It's a good thing that other team's have interest in our players, but for instance; if the Thunder were willing to put Chet or JWill on the market for a win now piece to push them over the top - it's likely a lot of ears perk up around the league.

There's a 0.0% chance they make Chet available. Maybe a .01% chance they make JWill available.

Then what would you want from them besides picks we ship off to another team for players we can use?

Loose change, undesirables, and guys with one foot out the door... of course that's what other teams want to give up for our previously untouchable players ...

But a win now trade is what I said... they'd have to believe they've were optimizing SGA's chance of winning them a championship and if one of their young guys isn't going to be good enough fast enough than trading one of them could be justified.

Not that I see us invoked in anything like that.

Wallace, Dieng, and a couple of picks could work, but really the might just sign Claxton outright.

[SlimShady83]

I'm a Laker fan and most of us would love Donovan - not me really I want Trae - I'm curious to know what's the best offers you guys to expect from not just Lakers but other teams too for Donovan - If he opts out wants trade? and what IF he demands trade to Lakers?

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm a Laker fan and most of us would love Donovan - not me really I want Trae - I'm curious to know what's the best offers you guys to expect from not just Lakers but other teams too for Donovan - If he opts out wants trade? and what IF he demands trade to Lakers?

I think Mitchell either signs a 4 year extension or is content playing on his expiring deal.

If he doesn't extend then the Cavs should trade him. What the return will be is heavily dependent on if the team trading for him thinks/knows he we re-sign.

[toooskies]

I'm a Laker fan and most of us would love Donovan - not me really I want Trae - I'm curious to know what's the best offers you guys to expect from not just Lakers but other teams too for Donovan - If he opts out wants trade? and what IF he demands trade to Lakers?

I expect the best offer to be better than what the Lakers could offer. I also don't think Mitchell would demand a trade or select the Lakers as his only destination. The Lakers don't have the role players left to support a three-star team and LeBron may leave/retire whenever he likes.

[JonFromVA]

I'm a Laker fan and most of us would love Donovan - not me really I want Trae - I'm curious to know what's the best offers you guys to expect from not just Lakers but other teams too for Donovan - If he opts out wants trade? and what IF he demands trade to Lakers?

I think if their hand is forced the Cavs will settle for the best reasonable offer. They'd be looking for a SF with length that can shoot and perhaps want to recover some of the picks/swaps they traded to Utah.

For unknown reasons, the media seems more and more convinced that Mitchell will extend and probably take a shorter deal that let's him maximize his future income / flexibility.

Personally, I've always felt taking the extension was his most likely move, but that doesn't mean he won't be traded once he becomes eligible again if he doesn't like the direction the team is heading.

[JonFromVA]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

[toooskies]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

Mobley is a mediocre screener and garbage man.

Towns is wasted being a floor spacer.

Ingram is really bad as a third banana.

That lineup might be very talented and properly sized, but it would not work out well on the court.

[JujitsuFlip]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

I would want a bigger 2 who could have similar volume with more efficiency.

Also, Wolves probably want Cavs to add to that KAT trade and we just don't have the ammo.

I also think without a guarantee of a long term extension, Ingram isn't worth the risk.

[jbk1234]

The big thing to keep an eye on is whether Murphy extends with the Pelicans. They want to tie him up for 10-12% of the cap and he could get closer to 25% if he bets on himself next summer. He's untouchable if he'll sign that extension, but if he insists on a rookie max extension, maybe Griffin includes him to get a deal done.

With the Spurs, the answer needs to be no on every offer where Keldon Johnson is the salary match offered for Garland. Make it clear that if Vassell isn't the salary match the answer is no.

Otherwise, I could live with Ingram on an extension around 25% of the current cap, but I'd pass if he wants a max extension as well.

On Allen, if the Pelicans and/or Ingram aren't offering the value we want, maybe Presti is finally ready to get serious.

At the end of the day, Altman really needs to be ready to run it back under a new coach rather than lose a trade with Allen or Garland. The team's future ceiling will be irreparably harmed by that, and we're better equipped to run it back than the vast majority of our trade partners.

[jbk1234]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

The biggest issue with any Wolves trade is that while they'll likely lose the WCF, they're only 3 wins away from their first Finals appearance. That team is built to beat Denver and you don't unbuild that so long as you're likely to have to go through Denver. Unless there's pressure from ownership to shed salary, it's real easy to talk themselves into running it back. Frankly, it's probably smarter than making a major move.

[JonFromVA]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

The biggest issue with any Wolves trade is that while they'll likely lose the WCF, they're only 3 wins away from their first Finals appearance. That team is built to beat Denver and you don't unbuild that so long as you're likely to have to go through Denver. Unless there's pressure from ownership to shed salary, it's real easy to talk themselves into running it back. Frankly, it's probably smarter than making a major move.

When even Wolves fans seem to be thinking KAT may have to go (it was only the previous game they benched him in the 4th for Naz) it's something worth thinking about. Of course there are other teams who would make offers for KAT - the Knicks would be very interested - but I just thought it made some sense unlike most of the trades I've seen.

With the right coach, of course.

[SlimShady83]

I'm a Laker fan and most of us would love Donovan - not me really I want Trae - I'm curious to know what's the best offers you guys to expect from not just Lakers but other teams too for Donovan - If he opts out wants trade? and what IF he demands trade to Lakers?

I expect the best offer to be better than what the Lakers could offer. I also don't think Mitchell would demand a trade or select the Lakers as his only destination. The Lakers don't have the role players left to support a three-star team and LeBron may leave/retire whenever he likes.

I don't think so either, just tired of seeing some of the Laker fan keep including Donovan In a trade, and I'm like why, why on earth would Cavs trade him to us, unless he demands It lol

[JonFromVA]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

Mobley is a mediocre screener and garbage man.

Towns is wasted being a floor spacer.

Ingram is really bad as a third banana.

That lineup might be very talented and properly sized, but it would not work out well on the court.

Probably not if Bickerstaff was still the coach, but he's gone, and we can dream again.

[cavsfanatic]

I'm not seeing much i like on the trade front and I don't want to get shortchanged because Garland's value is not great after this year.
Would it really be so bad just to run this thing back one more time? Who is better than us in the East other than Boston? We run it back with health we are the 2 seed. That is the way i see it. Make a trade if it favors us, if not just go back at it...and pray Mobley really makes a leap next year and that Don and Darius can figure this thing out.

[jbk1234]

I'm not seeing much i like on the trade front and I don't want to get shortchanged because Garland's value is not great after this year.
Would it really be so bad just to run this thing back one more time? Who is better than us in the East other than Boston? We run it back with health we are the 2 seed. That is the way i see it. Make a trade if it favors us, if not just go back at it...and pray Mobley really makes a leap next year and that Don and Darius can figure this thing out.

I'm in 100% agreement. We might have to have an unpleasant conversation with Klutch, but so be it.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm not seeing much i like on the trade front and I don't want to get shortchanged because Garland's value is not great after this year.
Would it really be so bad just to run this thing back one more time? Who is better than us in the East other than Boston? We run it back with health we are the 2 seed. That is the way i see it. Make a trade if it favors us, if not just go back at it...and pray Mobley really makes a leap next year and that Don and Darius can figure this thing out.

I'm not super confident that Garland and Mitchell are both on the roster next season.

I don't like the articles I'm seeing stating that Mitchell has more influence over the Cavs than LeBron does over the Lakers.

So what we sign Johnnie Bryant as the new head coach, extend Mitchell, and then Rich Paul throws a fit? Was it really Mitchell who was upset Allen was sitting out?

Idk, the core is very unstable and Mobley is better at the 5. I fully believe incompetent Koby to try to run it back, if his presser is to be believed.

However, all signs point to jb not being the lone problem this team had.

[JonFromVA]

I'm not seeing much i like on the trade front and I don't want to get shortchanged because Garland's value is not great after this year.
Would it really be so bad just to run this thing back one more time? Who is better than us in the East other than Boston? We run it back with health we are the 2 seed. That is the way i see it. Make a trade if it favors us, if not just go back at it...and pray Mobley really makes a leap next year and that Don and Darius can figure this thing out.

I'm not super confident that Garland and Mitchell are both on the roster next season.

I don't like the articles I'm seeing stating that Mitchell has more influence over the Cavs than LeBron does over the Lakers.

So what we sign Johnnie Bryant as the new head coach, extend Mitchell, and then Rich Paul throws a fit? Was it really Mitchell who was upset Allen was sitting out?

Idk, the core is very unstable and Mobley is better at the 5. I fully believe incompetent Koby to try to run it back, if his presser is to be believed.

However, all signs point to jb not being the lone problem this team had.

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

[toooskies]

I'm not seeing much i like on the trade front and I don't want to get shortchanged because Garland's value is not great after this year.
Would it really be so bad just to run this thing back one more time? Who is better than us in the East other than Boston? We run it back with health we are the 2 seed. That is the way i see it. Make a trade if it favors us, if not just go back at it...and pray Mobley really makes a leap next year and that Don and Darius can figure this thing out.

I'm not super confident that Garland and Mitchell are both on the roster next season.

I don't like the articles I'm seeing stating that Mitchell has more influence over the Cavs than LeBron does over the Lakers.

So what we sign Johnnie Bryant as the new head coach, extend Mitchell, and then Rich Paul throws a fit? Was it really Mitchell who was upset Allen was sitting out?

Idk, the core is very unstable and Mobley is better at the 5. I fully believe incompetent Koby to try to run it back, if his presser is to be believed.

However, all signs point to jb not being the lone problem this team had.

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

Butler, Dame, Giannis, Brunson, OG, Haliburton.

Maybe the refs swallowing whistles and the awards eligibility rules were a bad thing.

[jbk1234]

I'm not super confident that Garland and Mitchell are both on the roster next season.

I don't like the articles I'm seeing stating that Mitchell has more influence over the Cavs than LeBron does over the Lakers.

So what we sign Johnnie Bryant as the new head coach, extend Mitchell, and then Rich Paul throws a fit? Was it really Mitchell who was upset Allen was sitting out?

Idk, the core is very unstable and Mobley is better at the 5. I fully believe incompetent Koby to try to run it back, if his presser is to be believed.

However, all signs point to jb not being the lone problem this team had.

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

Butler, Dame, Giannis, Brunson, OG, Haliburton.

Maybe the refs swallowing whistles and the awards eligibility rules were a bad thing.

Even the Celtics managed to make it all the way the Finals without their starting center playing in a single game and Lively is out with a neck strain for the Mavs.

This isn't including the Clippers who always manage to have either Leonard or PG injured and unavailable, Embiid who is always banged up for the postseason, Zion, or Mitchell Robinson who can't stay healthy for more than a single round.